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[KealaFerret]

1) Again you guys prove why I love this thread.
2) Cypher - I'm in the female dwarf FTW camp. Weirdly, I have a lot of trouble picturing him with the others, although that might simply be because it's what I romance him as.

Dwarf benefits:
- Height differences are cute to me
- Different from your other female characters (less preconceived notion perhaps)
- Have I mentioned that dwarves are just plain out awesome?
- You could have a beard if you want and mentally snicker about how much more epic his will always be (I mean, I didn't do that, but you could I suppose)

Downsides:
- ... OK sometimes it looks like she is standing on a box to kiss him in cutscenes. This is a small price to pay for me tho.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

not that simple. And almost noone is truly altruistic their always some profit

Yes, it is that simple. Any complications to it are people trying to justify their inaction as not being as bad as it really is. 

 

Okay really?

 

We're blaming child Blackwall for doing nothing out of fear? He's human. Humans aren't Superman. Sometimes we stand by and let some crappy things happen out of fear.

 

It wasn't malice and that's enough for me.

Blaming him for not helping when he didn't help is perfectly reasonable. It's not like he was being blamed for actually killing the dog.

[KealaFerret]

Blackwall has The Beard. Touch it. You know you want to.

... although Cullen's feather fur whatever that is looks like I could touch it, too...

:: sits on hands to avoid touching everything and everyone ::

[Ryzaki]

Blaming him for not helping when he didn't help is perfectly reasonable. It's not like he was being blamed for actually killing the dog.

 

Blaming a child for not helping is reasonable now? You and I have very different views of reasonable then.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Blaming a child for not helping is reasonable now? You and I have very different views of reasonable then.

Clearly. People here think letting others suffer so they don't is the reasonable and right thing to do. 

[veeia]

Clearly. People here think letting others suffer so they don't is the reasonable and right thing to do. 

 

It's not the right thing to do. But it's not always unavoidable, and even if it is, it's human. Life is complicated that way. 

 

I have a kid. If he was in a situation where he thought that doing the right thing would possibly end in him getting hurt or killed, and he didn't do it, I'd tell him he did the best possible thing because his life has meaning, and he doesn't have to be perfect for that to still hold. Then we could brainstorm solutions together about what he could do next time, or what we could do to follow up on it.

 

Blackwall didn't have as awesome as a mom as me though, obviously

[Ryzaki]

Clearly. People here think letting others suffer so they don't is the reasonable and right thing to do. 

 

It's a human thing to do. And honestly judging someone on the non malicious actions they took as a childish strikes me as absurd.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

It's not the right thing to do. But it's not always unavoidable, and even if it is, it's human. Life is complicated that way. 

 

I have a kid. If he was in a situation where he thought that doing the right thing would possibly end in him getting hurt or killed, and he didn't do it, I'd tell him he did the best possible thing because his life has meaning, and he doesn't have to be perfect for that to still hold. Then we could brainstorm solutions together about what he could do next time, or what we could do to follow up on it.

 

Blackwall didn't have as awesome as a mom as me though, obviously

That's all well and good for your kid. Doesn't help the victim of that time any. Does that victim's life have less meaning thus are more expendable? 

 

 

It's a human thing to do. And honestly judging someone on the non malicious actions they took as a childish strikes me as absurd.

I'm judging him on what he did. If that's absurd, the entire justice system is absurd. 

[raging_monkey]

Yes, it is that simple. Any complications to it are people trying to justify their inaction as not being as bad as it really is. 
 

no its not the world is filled with grey not just B/W sometimes inaction is the best action sometimes

[Ryzaki]

I'm judging him on what he did. If that's absurd, the entire justice system is absurd. 

 

I'm not sure if I should laugh or shake my head.

 

You do realize a many justice systems judge children differently unless a crime is particularly heinous? You do realize there's a reason for this?

[LaughingBanana]

I'm pretty fed up with people assuming things without doing the actual romance in the game. I made the same assumption about him leaving, and was worried about it, but in context of why, in the greater scheme of his story and character arc it didn't bother me. If it bothers you even if there might be context to it don't do it.

Maybe someone else can convince you to do the romance, but today, I lack the patience and am feeling personally insulted the more I think about that other f*cking thread. (not for Blackwall but because of some things said in it that are at odds with my personal experience and feelings)

 

I apologize, I didn't mean to upset anyone. It's unbecoming of me to say such things in a Blackwall fans thread and for that I apologize. You're right, I should at least try out his romance first before downplaying it.

 

Not necessarily. You don't have to get the sex scene, it's easy to avoid. Just pick the let's hang with our friends option when you're drinking with him. 

 

And why do it if you don't want to? I loved his romance path, but it's not for everyone. It's a crazy drama ride, if you're not comfortable with that then you might want to pick Cullen instead. If you do decided to go with Blackwall, use him, Sera and Cole together. Their banter is gold. I liked both Blackwall and Sera more after each of their banter and Cole has some really interesting insight into Blackwall's mind.

 

 

If you think what he did was unforgivable and you can't deal with the lie, I disagree, but that's fine. I definitely wouldn't recommend romancing him to you then. Or Solas.

I do think the romance fleshes out that side of him a lot more, but you do have to keep an open mind and accept going in that he's a very flawed man. His flaws, more than anyone else's, get a bright light shone on them, and it can be uncomfortable looking at it, but he's not worse than anyone else there IMO. It's just all very raw and unavoidable. Which I prefer, tbh, but ymmv.

 

Hmm, well, I am currently doing a Trevelyan female rogue Nightmare run... I am kind of interested of doing his romance, truth be told, since I have done Solas before and Cullen.... his kind of romance is not really my cup of tea, and I just cannot picture my Trevelyan/Lavellan having a romance with Iron Bull or Sera.

 

Ah well, I am RP-ing as a Hardcore Andrastian right now so maybe I can picture it as a some sort of "Andraste forgives all" thing, hahaha. Also he is a really useful member to have on Nightmare, probably one of the best, so that helps too, hahaha.

[veeia]

No, of course not, which is why i wouldn't say GO YOU YES PLZ LET OTHER PEOPLE SUFFER FOR YOU. It's awful, but that's why I would focus on what we could do instead of beating someone up for a very human experience. You can forgive yourself and live with something, even if it's not something that is clean or easy to process. You have to do that, because everyone in this world benefits from the suffering of others to some degree. 

[Ynqve]

Yes, it is that simple. Any complications to it are people trying to justify their inaction as not being as bad as it really is. 

 

Actually these situations aren't that simple. I'm not saying that Blackwall the kid doing nothing was right, but it's understandable. And someone mentioned the what if scenario of what you'd do if you see someone get mugged. I'm never going to rush to that persons defence, trying to put myself between the victim and the mugger. That would be dangerous, I'm a short woman who's not physically strong. I would only risk getting myself hurt. I would like to think that I'd try to help by calling the cops and help the victim in other ways, but that's not the same thing. 

[Ryzaki]

Actually these situations aren't that simple. I'm not saying that Blackwall the kid doing nothing was right, but it's understandable. And someone mentioned the what if scenario of what you'd do if you see someone get mugged. I'm never going to rush to that persons defence, trying to put myself between the victim and the mugger. That would be dangerous, I'm a short woman who's not physically strong. I would only risk getting myself hurt. I would like to think that I'd try to help by calling the cops and help the victim in other ways, but that's not the same thing. 

 

Yep. And as a child I recall being frozen in fear to my regret it's not something you do intentionally and it eats you up inside. Punishing him for something that happened when he was a child just strikes me as hilariously petty.

[Ynqve]

Yep. And as a child I recall being frozen in fear to my regret it's not something you do intentionally and it eats you up inside. Punishing him for something that happened when he was a child just strikes me as hilariously petty.

 

Agreed, he's still upset about it like 30 years later. Give the guy a break xD

[Hanako Ikezawa]

 

no its not the world is filled with grey not just B/W sometimes inaction is the best action sometimes

When someone or something is suffering, inaction is never the best action. 

 

 

No, of course not, which is why i wouldn't say GO YOU YES PLZ LET OTHER PEOPLE SUFFER FOR YOU. It's awful, but that's why I would focus on what we could do instead of beating someone up for a very human experience. You can forgive yourself and live with something, even if it's not something that is clean or easy to process. You have to do that, because everyone in this world benefits from the suffering of others to some degree. 

Bull. The people who benefit from other people suffering don't deserve to get any benefits. 

 

Actually these situations aren't that simple. I'm not saying that Blackwall the kid doing nothing was right, but it's understandable. And someone mentioned the what if scenario of what you'd do if you see someone get mugged. I'm never going to rush to that persons defence, trying to put myself between the victim and the mugger. That would be dangerous, I'm a short woman who's not physically strong. I would only risk getting myself hurt. I would like to think that I'd try to help by calling the cops and help the victim in other ways, but that's not the same thing. 

I'm not saying someone has to stand in the middle. To use your example, Rainier could have gotten his dad or one of the adults just like you can call the police. But Rainier did nothing, so that'd be like you seeing the mugging occur, then just leave it be.

 

 

Yep. And as a child I recall being frozen in fear to my regret it's not something you do intentionally and it eats you up inside. Punishing him for something that happened when he was a child just strikes me as hilariously petty.

Who ever said anything about punishing him for it? I'm just blaming him for doing something he did. 

 

[Ryzaki]

Who ever said anything about punishing him for it? I'm just blaming him for doing something he did. 

 

While ignoring that he was a child. Blaming someone for something non malicious that happened when they were a child is astounding to me. It shows a lack of empathy and understanding honestly.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

While ignoring that he was a child. Blaming someone for something non malicious that happened when they were a child is astounding to me. It shows a lack of empathy and understanding honestly.

No, I understand his reasoning completely. I just don't agree with it. 

As for the lack of empathy, yeah it's hard to be empathetic to one of the mindsets that has made my life miserable.

[Ryzaki]

No, I understand his reasoning completely. I just don't agree with it. 

As for the lack of empathy, yeah it's hard to be empathetic to one of the mindsets that has made my life miserable.

 

You seem to be ignoring that he was a child when he made this decision? I'm not saying there's not brave children who will stand in the face of death for what's right (That kid who sacrificed himself in a terrorist attack so the rest of his class could live comes to mind). That's the exception however. (Not diminishing their actions in anyway though. That takes nerve a lot of adults wouldn't have).

 

The mindset of it's not my business I'm a scared child? Really?

[veeia]

I am not wanting to turn this into a larger morality debate, but anyone who lives in a western country (and not jsut limited to those, but my vocabulary is lacking there to find an appropriate word, first world doesn't really work anymore) and consumes food and uses electronic devices and wears clothing is benefiting from the exploitation of others.

[Basement Cat]

I don't think 'reasoning' is the right word here. He was in emotional distress and reacted by removing himself from the situation. the 'flight' part of 'fight or flight'. When your brain gets hijacked by emotion, there is no reasoning. That's why people who get angry end up saying or doing things they didn't mean and people who are scared regret their actions later.

 

There are many stories of people who did act in a terrible situation, but the still regretted it later because it got out of control. It's easy to say 'bad guys deserve to be hurt' but when it actually happens? Ordinary people are often horrified to have hurt another human being even if it was justifiable. Ordinary people often are disturbed that they are capable of hurting or killing someone.

 

However a situation turns out, it's a rare case that people didn't wish it hadn't happened at all.

[Ryzaki]

I am not wanting to turn this into a larger morality debate, but anyone who lives in a western country (and not jsut limited to those, but my vocabulary is lacking there to find an appropriate word, first world doesn't really work anymore) and consumes food and uses electronic devices and wears clothing is benefiting from the exploitation of others.

 

Why am I out of likes?

 

Damn like rations.

[raging_monkey]

I am not wanting to turn this into a larger morality debate, but anyone who lives in a western country (and not jsut limited to those, but my vocabulary is lacking there to find an appropriate word, first world doesn't really work anymore) and consumes food and uses electronic devices and wears clothing is benefiting from the exploitation of others.

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[Ynqve]

I am not wanting to turn this into a larger morality debate, but anyone who lives in a western country (and not jsut limited to those, but my vocabulary is lacking there to find an appropriate word, first world doesn't really work anymore) and consumes food and uses electronic devices and wears clothing is benefiting from the exploitation of others.

 

Oh god, this! Have all my likes!

[Basement Cat]

Why am I out of likes?

 

Damn like rations.

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