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[AtreiyaN7]

@cat: Yeah, 'tis a pity indeed. *sighs and stares at Blackwall romance tarot*

[Scuttlebutt101]

Hrm....You are supposed to have the option to talk about Mythal to Morrigan, instead of having her explain Mythal to you, if you're Dalish, but it's bugged.

Really? Thank god. I mean, it sucks that it's bugged, but at least now I know that my elf wasn't meant to be a such a ditz about it. Not only was she Dalish, but she also had the history and arcane perks, so she really had no excuse to be all "mythal? who dat" in that scene.

 

I think I managed to max out his approval before triggering Revelations by finishing Memories of the Grey, because it didn't show any approval change after I found the last couple of artifacts. Still nothing   Whatever, we're going on a hot date to Hissing Wastes now.

 

I sacrificed Hawke on both playthroughs, by the way, and nada.

 

Slightly off topic - While I was waiting for my underworld contacts to do their thing, I went to the holding cells to see if magister whatshisface from Adamant was actually in my prison after I, well, imprisoned him. He wasn't, but there was some other guy I didn't remember capturing. I went to talk to him and...

 

Spoiler

 

 

[veeia]

Sad sighs.

Still convinced there's no Blackwall chest scene because they didn't want to animate all his chest hair, so they went for the smooth chested boys (Cullen, IB, Dorian) instead

[Catwall]

Sad sighs.

Still convinced there's no Blackwall chest scene because they didn't want to animate all his chest hair, so they went for the smooth chested boys (Cullen, IB, Dorian) instead

Is it sad that I would have been happy with just a glimpse of hairy forearm? No, don't answer that. I know.

[veeia]

It's relatable, that's what it is.

[veeia]

Oh! Sheryl replied to me on twitter, she says it definitely looks like a bug.

[AtreiyaN7]

Well, good to know that much at least - hope they can fix it. *fingers crossed*

[veeia]

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee  8m8 minutes ago

@LokiTrashFarts Hi! Sorry I missed this. Definitely looks like a bug. He has two sets of questions: one for before reveal, one for after

 

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee  5m

@LokiTrashFarts My best guess would be that there is a line that not everyone gets early on that is not setting a condition where it should,

 

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee  5m5 minutes ago

@LokiTrashFarts thus screwing up the logic that's supposed to make the post-reveal questions show up.

 

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee  3m3 minutes ago

@LokiTrashFarts Sorry about that. I'll look into it. Have a link to awesome art that I saw on Tumblr as an apology. http://rinjirenee.tu...ear-tarot#notes…

 

(THAT APOLOGY ART IS CRY SAD SHERYL IS A MONSTER )

 

Sheryl Chee ‏@SherylChee  19s19 seconds ago

@LokiTrashFarts No, there isn't a specific thing you need to do. They should just show up post reveal.

 

So yeah, sounds like it's what we suspected (ie tied to something small like that that we can't figure out easily unless we looked at the code), and she's aware now so. Bows to all fellow detectives. It has been fun, the great game, etc. 

 

dont mind my terrible twitter username it's complicated

[AtreiyaN7]

Hmm...wonder what it could be...maybe I shouldn't flirt with him when first meeting him? Maybe I should've picked something else? OH GOD, WHAT IS IT?!?!?!?!?! WHAT WENT WRONG?!?!?! Okay, I'm calm again. Saw the apology fan art - nice work, if a tad depressing (if it's one of those greatest fear cards, then I guess the fear is having his heart ripped out if you dump him - heh).

[veeia]

Ahahha, I feel you Atreiya.  But if it's early on like that, then our best bet for detecting problems is prob by looking at the files. Maybe Kealla will have answers later if she looks at them.

 

edit: nvm, Sheryl says she's dropping by with the answer. *DRUMROLLS* 

[Gilsa]

Veeia -- You rock for pushing this to Chee's attention. (And for that yummy video.)

Sabreenei -- You are awesome for creating that form to analyze game data.

Everyone else -- You are outstanding for collectively putting heads together to figure out the problem.

[veeia]

*smuggity smug face* Yes we are all pretty awesome, spending all this time replaying Blackwall content, looking at screenies, making the real sacrifices, like fake Wardens real Wardens do.

(but really I you guys, a+ thread and people for an a+ dirtbag)

[Sabreenei]

Yay, I'm glad she replied! That fan art she linked kills me.

 

lol @ veeia -- The things we do for science around here. If we gotta make out with Blackwall ten hundred times, then by science, we will do it! Pass the chapstick.

 

I'll be happy to know what it is, because not knowing things is like an itch you can't scratch. I have to knowwwwwww. It's just one of those things. People used to get me to do things for them when I worked at an office and not at home, but just mentioning how they were puzzled such and such wasn't working. I'd think, oh ho ho, I'm not falling for that. But then as I was working, my brain would start turning. Why wasn't it working? What had changed? What were the variables? When did it happen? How could I fix it? And then dammit, I was over at their computer, fixing whatever program had stopped working for them.

 

Thank you to all of our wonderful Blackwall... ummm.. what do we call ourselves? Blackwall fans, for filling out the form and playing detective! We got 39 responses on the form, only 6 got the conversation. So much lovely data, though! lots of rogues and mages in our group. Only 4 warriors. Makes sense though, since Blackwall is a warrior himself. I imagine Dorian might skew the other way, more warriors to fight by his side. Keeping Celene on the throne & keeping the Wardens were also really popular choices for Blackwall runs!

 

Anyway, you all rock

 

And also, I would've been soooo happy with some bare forearm action. Just... unff. They did such a good job on his beard, and down his neck though... I'm not gonna complain.

 

 

[Sabreenei]

Since I was doing testing anyway, I tested out the white finery mod for the ball. I like it better than the red clothes, but I'm still hoping for more colors/texture mods for this. I must say though, that Dorian looked absolutely fab in the white.

 

big images are big:

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[veeia]

Trust me tho, once mesh replacement and more advanced editing is a go, we are getting that Blackwall chest hair even if I have to do it myself....which would be...well, I'm not very good at this stuff, just stumble through it all, but for that!! I would get my stuff together.

What did the race distribution for romancing Quizzies end up like? Curious because this is basically the only LI thread (and IB actually, now that I think about it)where Cadash gets really mentioned by people who aren't in the dwarf support thread regulars group, and Adaar seems strangely popular for him too! I imagine it's still more Trevs and Lavs, but I wonder what the overall trend is. Oh, to have access to those stats like someone at Bioware does! I would roll around in a pile of numbers.

[veeia]

Oh those look gorgeous!!!

...I completely forgot I was going to do some edits for those clothes, lmao...maybe I'll try that tonight during my down time since Blackwall Detective is over. Now time for Blackwall Fashion Designer!

[Sheryl Chee]

Hey guys,

 

 

TL;DR: Sorry for the dialog issue. Basically what happened was that I put the wrong condition on the post-Revelations option. To make sure the missing questions show up, do not ask Blackwall everything under "Let's talk about you" before the Revelations quest. Leave at least one question unasked.

 

For those who are curious and want to know more about how the hubs are set up, read on.

 

The questions in follower hub talks are set to disappear once you've already gone over them. For the sake of neatness, among other things, a lot of the questions are separated by topic. For instance, in Blackwall's case, "Let's talk about Wardens," gets you to all his Warden-related questions, and "Let's talk about you," shows you all the questions about his personal life. Now, we didn't want the top level questions, like "Let's talk about you," to still display once you exhausted all the topics within it. Therefore, each of the top level questions runs a script to check to see if any of the questions under it are still valid. If there's still a question you haven't gone over, then the entire topic is still valid and the top level question shows up.

 

Blackwall has two sets of Warden questions and personal questions, one for before Revelations, one for after. "I want the truth about you" is supposed to show up as long as you've completed Revelations and, as detailed above, all the questions under it are still valid. Unfortunately, by popping the wrong condition on this line, it's now checking the wrong script. It is actually looking to see if the pre-Revelations personal questions are still valid. 

 

So, how to fix? If you want to see the post-Revelations personal questions, the only thing you can do right now is not exhaust all the questions in Blackwall's pre-Revelations personal question hub. Leave one question unasked, and you should be able to see the rest of the questions post-Revelations.

 

Once again, sorry. This was totally on me.

[AtreiyaN7]

@sab: Hmm, kind of like those colors - works for me! Now if only I could just forget the fashion tragedies of last week's episode of Project Runway (one of the swimsuits...yikes)!

[AtreiyaN7]

@sheryl: Ah, thanks!!!!!!!!!! *throws flowers and/or cookies at Sheryl*

[CredulousAlloy]

Sheryl, thanks for taking the time to come over here and clear this up! I guess this is what we get for greedily taking all his dialogue options at the first opportunity, hehe.

[Catwall]

Gracias, Sheryl! At least having a workaround allows all of my future IQs the opportunity to experience all of the dialog for this great character.

[Kaidan Fan]

Yay! Mystery solved! *throws confetti*

 

Thank you, Sabreenei, veeia and Sheryl for the investigating and answers!    Thanks everyone else for trying to help narrow down the answer. 

 

Now to get some extra dialogues with my pixel man! 

 

I love that white color for the ball outfits.  How does one use that?  I've never modded anything, so I have no clue how to do any of that.  I will probably break something, but for that color change (even though I like the red as well) I might try.

 

I really like that art too.  Looks like his biggest fear is everyone knowing he has blood on his hands. 

[veeia]

Whoa, okay, good to know! I can't believe I didn't ask him all the questions before Revelations with my first character! Must have reloaded at some point and decided not to exhaust them again, highly likely I suppose now that I think about it.

Thanks again for popping by Sheryl! We had fun trying to figure it out but...I don't think we would have gotten that very easily

[Sabreenei]

Trust me tho, once mesh replacement and more advanced editing is a go, we are getting that Blackwall chest hair even if I have to do it myself....which would be...well, I'm not very good at this stuff, just stumble through it all, but for that!! I would get my stuff together.

What did the race distribution for romancing Quizzies end up like? Curious because this is basically the only LI thread (and IB actually, now that I think about it)where Cadash gets really mentioned by people who aren't in the dwarf support thread regulars group, and Adaar seems strangely popular for him too! I imagine it's still more Trevs and Lavs, but I wonder what the overall trend is. Oh, to have access to those stats like someone at Bioware does! I would roll around in a pile of numbers.

 

Surprising, there weren't nearly as many Qunari as I thought there would be! But the dwarves nearly beat the elves. I know I still have my dwarf run with him coming up, too. So there's going to be more dwarf fun to be had!

 

Here's how it broke down:

 

Dwarf: 8

Elf: 10

Human: 18

Qunari: 3

 

Mage: 17

Rogue: 17

Warrior: 4

 

Also, 28 people had the banter bug, and only 11 people didn't.

[thievinghippo]

Thank you, Sheryl! I guess my big question is will this be fixed in the next patch? I have my Blackwall romancer post Revelations and I kinda don't want to finish the game without that conversation. I'm cool letting her chill for a while (plenty of other Inquisitors to play), but if this is something that's not going to be fixed, I'll have to go back forty hours in game play in order to get the conversation. Not the end of the world, but I'd really rather not.