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[AtreiyaN7]

@sab & bugsie: Haha, thanks!

 

Hmm, art commissions...this is the first time I've been tempted. Maybe after I see how some of these pieces turn out (if anyone posts them).

[Hanako Ikezawa]

edit: oh, okay, I see Hanako! I actually got that and I had forgotten about it, but I think I was just so happy to hear ANY banter, it didn't bother me, lol. 

Yeah, I have him in my party a lot because I'm trying to get the Nightmare difficulty achevement and he keeps mentioning it. And with the banter bug, it is literally the only thing I am hearing from him. 

[Milan92]

You can fix the bug a bit by making sure you always (and I mean always) travel through the war table. Also never exit the war table. Next, make sure you don't have a * next to codex entries, completed quests and inventory items. Hover over them for a bit and it should dissapear.

 

Do all that and you'll actually notice quite a difference! It has worked for me.

[Ashelsu]

Hi, ladies and gents, it's been a long time
Two playthroughs are behind me, and no need to avoid spoilers anymore.
What can I say... While I suspected that "Blackwall" had shady past and it might catch him, I didn't expect false Warden thing. Major trolling here! Which disappointed me a bit. Three games and still no proper GW or templar companion. While his story was good, it felt like it had least connection to the main plot. Blackwall and Sera felt too optional, they were not involved personally in major conflicts. Well, maybe that was the point - to show how ordinary people react to all this.
I released him from the prison using Josephine's connections and made him atone for his past. It suited my both characters. Neither qunari mercenary's nor Carta thug's past is squeacky clean (or most of your companions'). Besides the man was clearly on redemption path. I did not send him to the Wardens for two reasons. First it should be his decision, second Blackwall is doing good in the Inquisition and there is something fishy in the Order right now (that's what final slides told us). I have a small peeve though. There should be opportunity to call him by his real name. I understand that it's more resources, but it just felt wrong to me.
While Blackwall was in the party all the time on my second run, I became a victim of infamous banter bug. Blackwall told a little story every time we explored the tombs in Hissing Wastes. Are there any other interesting comments he has in other places?
Overall for me it felt like companions took a back seat this game. Just one quest, (some of them  glitched like Dorian) and banter bug. Most of the game was me running in dead silence doing busy work. I abstained from the shards quest and Forbidden Oasis on the second run, felt much better.
I think I'll postpone other playthroughs untill the patch or story DLC.

[Bugsie]

That's a good point about the wardens Ashelsu.  I've just done here lies the abyss on my second playthrough and I keep thinking - everyone looks up to these people but they are no paragons.  It's really only their death sentence (the taint) that drives them to do good.  But in some measure I do feel Blackwall should be part of them, I would hope that he might do as such come an open choice.

 

I had a really interesting one about flowers and someone dying, between Cole and Blackwall and it sounded like an old memory, one possibly before he was in the Orlesian army - I really want to know that story if it is.

 

Yeah that banter bug sucked big time.  

[Rinji the Bearded]

I had a really interesting one about flowers and someone dying, between Cole and Blackwall and it sounded like an old memory, one possibly before he was in the Orlesian army - I really want to know that story if it is.

 

Thom had a little sister named Liddy, who died when he was very young (I'm thinking he might have been anywhere between the ages of 6 through 13 or so, but that's just a guess).  Presumably she became ill (or was sickly to begin with) and died (which I inferred from the bit where Cole mentioned "playing by the fire so she would be warm").  He was going to bring her a flower one day but they had "already taken her" (assuming she died and her body was taken away), and he left flowers in different places in a symbolic gesture to remember her.  I think when Cole says "and thirty-six off the battlements today," it was Liddy's birthday.

 

He also speaks of Liddy with Cassandra, wondering if she might have grown up to be a woman like her.

[alialias]

I had the banter bug as well so I listened to the banter on YouTube. Not quite the same :/.

I feel like Blackwall fits into the redemption theme and

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foreshadowing another hidden identity

. I think he makes a fantastic partner for Quizzy.

I also chose not to send him to the wardens since I felt his willing service to the inquisition was atonement. There would be plenty for him to do on the future.

[KealaFerret]

It depends; calling him the name once is one thing, but some people have said they wanted the option to choose what to call him. There's a big mess there that is resources, costing, languages considerations, asset management, setting more plot flags, it can get crazy. 

 

(That's the short version, anyway; I'm married to a video game audio producer, so I've picked up all kinds of interesting info)

 

Banter fun of the day: last night I got the one with Sera and Blackwall where he says something about giving them a two fingered salute and a box of dog sh*t, rants about nobles, and Sera giggles about the dog sh*t.

[Sylvianus]

Hi, Blackwall fans ! First, I need to claim that I love reading this thread, and I do for a while now. People in this thread seem very cool and your posts are always interesting or lovely, 100% Blackwall. I've learned many things about the character thanks to this thread, I wish the Cassandra thread could be the same, but it's bickering most of time and half of the comments have nothing to do with Cassandra. 

 

I have just one question. I plan to romance Blackwall with my first female Trevelyan inquisitor ( 43 years old in my head ) and I just wanted to know if it is possible to be with Blackwall in the end. I automatically thought he always leaves the inquisitor ( apparently naked in her bed ) given how many said it was a heartbreak romance, but sometimes I read comments on this forum that it isn't necessarily what should happen, so I'm a bit confused.

 

If someone could clarify, thanks. 

[Rinji the Bearded]

@Sylvianus: Yes!  While he does leave the Inquisition at high approval always, you have the option to bring him back and continue the romance.   So no worries!

[veeia]

Welcome!

Two point answer there.

1. He always leaves, but it doesn't have to be after sex while Quizzie is naked, that depends on a dialogue option. (Whether you decide you want private time or not with him in the bar scene ...so it's avoidable if that's something you don't want to see at all)

2. That's not the end! You chase him down, find out his deal, and then if you select certain options, it can end very happily and they are together. I have seen a few posters spreading the idea that him leaving is the end, and it's very irksome because that is a.not true and b. coming from people who haven't even played the romance, but want to complain about it anyway??

Personally I don't think its a real heartbreak romance at all. Dramatic, yes, and an emotional rollercoaster, but it ended in a sweet and healthy place

[Sylvianus]

Thanks ! That's awesome to read for my character ! 

 

Welcome!

Two point answer there.

1. He always leaves, but it doesn't have to be after sex while Quizzie is naked, that depends on a dialogue option. (Whether you decide you want private time or not with him in the bar scene ...so it's avoidable if that's something you don't want to see at all)

2. That's not the end! You chase him down, find out his deal, and then if you select certain options, it can end very happily and they are together. I have seen a few posters spreading the idea that him leaving is the end, and it's very irksome because that is a.not true and b. coming from people who haven't even played the romance, but want to complain about it anyway??

Personally I don't think its a real heartbreak romance at all. Dramatic, yes, and an emotional rollercoaster, but it ended in a sweet and healthy place

 

Okay ! The romance is even more appealing to me now, also the bolded part is why I am interested in Blackwall first. 

And indeed, if it can end well, I have no idea why people talked as if it were unavoidable. The words were so strong that it made me curious why there were people who liked his romance then, ( a good idea lol ) and that's how I discovered the thread. 

 

Thanks again. =)

[AtreiyaN7]

@syl: And let us all not forget the most important thing - the fact that we get the hottest romance tarot card in the game! But seriously, the romance can end quite happily as everyone points out (assuming you make it through that rough patch). Early warning about the Revelations post-judgment dialogue: you want to make really sure that you don't ask Blackwall every question about himself before that point. You need to leave one unasked question so that the post-judgment questions show up properly (the ones that allow you to question him further about his past). Sheryl's post was a few pages back if you want to read the whole dev post about it.

[veeia]

Glad you found us then, and I hope you enjoy the romance! (And I agree about the Cass thread I love her but it's not worth reading really unless you enjoy those OT fights lmao)

I'm not sure why people have such strong words against it. I mean, I can totally get why it would not be someone's cup of tea, and if you go in thinking he's going to be a flawless knight in shining armor, it could be personally heartbreaking (although I would argue you'd have to have some serious blinders on to think that esp past his "gift" quest, Explanations), but it doesn't end with him dying or cheating on you or dumping you. It's more heartbreaking in the way that real romances are, in that you always find out that the person you're with has serious flaws alongside their good qualities, and you have to decide whether or not you can live with those. Only hyper exaggerated and more melodramatic than most real life, obv, so it makes it fun IMO instead of 2 real. (But again, it's a very layered and the writing is surprisingly nuanced, so it's not just MELODRAMA and LOVE CONQUERS ALL)

[Ryzaki]

I'm not sure why people have such strong words against it. I mean, I can totally get why it would not be someone's cup of tea, and if you go in thinking he's going to be a flawless knight in shining armor, it could be personally heartbreaking (although I would argue you'd have to have some serious blinders on to think that esp past his "gift" quest, Explanations), but it doesn't end with him dying or cheating on you or dumping you. It's more heartbreaking in the way that real romances are, in that you always find out that the person you're with has serious flaws alongside their good qualities, and you have to decide whether or not you can live with those. Only hyper exaggerated and more melodramatic than most real life, obv, so it makes it fun IMO instead of 2 real. (But again, it's a very layered and the writing is surprisingly nuanced, so it's not just MELODRAMA and LOVE CONQUERS ALL)

 

Eh betrayal doesn't just have to be limited to sleeping with someone else. And disliking it doesn't mean I was expecting a knight in shining armor.

 

The way you can get back with him doesn't really help either. I'd probably be more lenient if he did that bearing his heart in private instead of putting me on the spot after just accusing me of corruption. And then the dialogue itself is bleh.

[alialias]

I've been trying to understand what is issue is with Blackwall that seems to create

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anger around his revelation. I think it is the attention given to his crime and especially the lies about his identity. People forgive much worse acts by companions, however none are dragged out into the light the way Blackwall's crimes are.

I think that making the player really examine them has led to harsh judgements. Not to mention if people have the banter bug he can seem kind of dour plus he has strong views on the decisions of the Inquisitor.

And yes his inappropriate moment is a bit off putting - I think that plus the blanket are due to budget/time constraints that lead to shortcuts in the story. A separate cut scene post judgement would have been more realistic and better for the story.

Do I need to use spolier tags at this point? I feel like its kind of hard to discuss the characters without massive spoilers at this point.

[veeia]

Those are all valid reasons to dislike the romance, for sure, but resolvable conflict doesn't, IMO, compare to something like Thane or Jacob or even Solas.

Maybe a better comparison is that he's like a MUCH better executed version of Anders. Anders does something terrible and lies to you and you can still continue the romance and make peace with it, but only in one tiny dialogue exchange during the final fight. Blackwalll's quest not only revolves around Quizzie processing what happened. It gives you a ton of different ways to react. Also BW's actions do arguably have tangible consequences that could hurt you (reputation of the Inquisition for one), they are more about him/his past and not like, blowing up a church and starting a war and he's not possessed by a spirit he's just a human who acted cowardly and ok he's not like Anders, just like, the arcs are similar, but his is done so much better.

I think we've already talked about the judgment scene, in that I don't think Blackwall was being truly accusatory (just wallowing in self misery) and that I'm garbage who loves making out in chains, but understand why other people wanted a different option...I think that one probably just came down to resources. Either you resolve that outside of a cutscene, or you fold it into the one you already have budgeted.

[AtreiyaN7]

@ryz: The thing is that when he says that about being corrupted, I believe it's basically more of his own self-loathing for putting the Inquisitor in a bad position coming out. He did what he did (leaving and turning himself in) in part because he wanted to avoid having the Inquisitor being accused of being corrupt by everyone else in Thedas.

So when you actually do pull strings like that, I think it just makes him think "it's my fault that you've done this, and now people will accuse you of being corrupt - the whole thing that I was trying to prevent in the first place." He's angry with himself, but it comes out the way that it does and sounds accusatorial (even though the one he's really upset with is himself, pretty much). At least, that's how I saw his response.

[alialias]

I think his anger at being released is very true to his character, he is so overwhelmed with emotion he just lashes out. He was resigned to death, had spent lots of time getting there to have the plans changed. He has lost control and at the same time is concerned about hurting the inquisition which he had dedicated himself completely to.

[Ryzaki]

@ryz: The thing is that when he says that about being corrupted, I believe it's basically more of his own self-loathing for putting the Inquisitor in a bad position coming out. He did what he did (leaving and turning himself in) in part because he wanted to avoid having the Inquisitor being accused of being corrupt by everyone else in Thedas.

So when you actually do pull strings like that, I think it just makes him think "it's my fault that you've done this, and now people will accuse you of being corrupt - the whole thing that I was trying to prevent in the first place." He's angry with himself, but it comes out the way that it does and sounds accusatorial (even though the one he's really upset with is himself, pretty much). At least, that's how I saw his response.

 

As if the Inquisitor hasn't done far worse. (not to mention I took Josephine's option. All of what she did was legal and if he really believes the Inquisition hasn't made such deals before it's absurd. Half the war table missions are killing people/manipulating them.)

 

Except he then attempts to worsen those rumors by going "Hey you still love me right?" (I will never get over how disgustingly timed this is. Do this in public in front of my soldiers and advisors? Why. And to make it worse there's not even a "Not now." choice so I can talk about it in private.)

 

Those are all valid reasons to dislike the romance, for sure, but resolvable conflict doesn't, IMO, compare to something like Thane or Jacob or even Solas.

Maybe a better comparison is that he's like a MUCH better executed version of Anders. Anders does something terrible and lies to you and you can still continue the romance and make peace with it, but only in one tiny dialogue exchange during the final fight. Blackwalll's quest not only revolves around Quizzie processing what happened. It gives you a ton of different ways to react. Also BW's actions do arguably have tangible consequences that could hurt you (reputation of the Inquisition for one), they are more about him/his past and not like, blowing up a church and starting a war and he's not possessed by a demon he's just a human who acted cowardly and ok he's not like Anders, just like, the arcs are similar, but his is done so much better.

I think we've already talked about the judgment scene, in that I don't think Blackwall was being truly accusatory (just wallowing in self misery) and that I'm garbage who loves making out in chains, but understand why other people wanted a different option...I think that one probably just came down to resources. Either you resolve that outside of a cutscene, or you fold it into the one you already have budgeted.

 

It really doesn't compare to Solas simply because Solas doesn't have an end yet.

 

Ah Anders.

 

Let's not forget about having to return the conscription things wrongly taken. (Cullen I should've chose you curse you Josephine for being so reasonable).

Yeah we agreed to disagree I think? But I'm not sure why taking him back couldn't have been one of those investigate options. I would've gladly taken a lack of kiss or anything because as far as my quizzy was concerned she was going to be learning about him all over again.

 

Edit: ugggh I don't mean to crap up the thread it's just the knight in shining armor comment made my eye twitch. I just spent a game distinctly trying to turn my male Lis into creepy Yanderes. It's not the lack of being squeaky clean that bothers me.

[stop_him]

So... I like to role-play my characters rather than self-insert. I plan on doing a playthrough with a Blackwall romance eventually, and I am trying to conceive of a character for him. The only thing that gives me trouble is Blackwall's big reveal and judgment. Thus far, I'm finding it difficult to create a character who would not break-off the relationship / punish him in some way that would not result in breaking up. 

 

What sort of character would forgive and forget? Probably a non-human character who would follow different moral codes? Maybe qunari or dwarf? I'm trying to create my character's motivations for keeping Blackwall as a love interest. (I already had my qunari female dump Sera because in the end their personalities, beliefs, and goals were not aligned, so I'd like to avoid another dumping.) A super compassionate character? Touchy-feely? 

 

Advice very much appreciated. 

[AtreiyaN7]

@ryz: Of course what you do is perfectly within your rights (assuming we're talking solely about Josephine's option to pull political strings), but it's an emotionally-charged situation. He's just not being particularly rational or calm about it in that moment, which is how I view it. And while what you do isn't illegal, I'm also sure that he's right and that there will be people who think you're corrupt for getting him out of prison and for keeping him with you, no matter how you go about it.

[veeia]

I'd play a deeply compassionate Quizzie who is invested in redemption at every turn: allies with mages/Templars, keeps Grey Wardens, and doesn't pick the harshest judgment options.

That can be a human or any race, tbh. Personally I think dwarf works well there, not because of anything dwarven, but because their background is criminal as well.

[veeia]

@ryz, you're fine! I'm sorry my comment bothered you, I definitely don't mean to say that everyone who dislikes it is all I NEED PERFECTION, and I probably got a bit careless with the wording in post because I was thinking of some very specific and obnoxious posts I saw awhile ago. But your thoughts on BW are always good to read and definitely you're not alone in having very valid and complex reasons to dislike him/the romance.

[Ryzaki]

@ryz: Of course what you do is perfectly within your rights (assuming we're talking solely about Josephine's option to pull political strings), but it's an emotionally-charged situation. He's just not being particularly rational or calm about it in that moment, which is how I view it. And while what you do isn't illegal, I'm also sure that he's right and that there will be people who think you're corrupt for getting him out of prison and for keeping him with you, no matter how you go about it.

 

Yep.

 

The Inquisition would also be called corrupt for a lot of the other things it's already done. Blackwall's release is hardly a blip on the radar for questionable actions the Inquisition has done by that point (looking at you

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letting Celene get assassinated, putting a puppet Gaspard in power, cutting a bard's tongue out, conscripting the templars/mages, supporting Vivienne, having Cullen and Leliana assassinate whoever has bad enough luck, etc

). Far more important people than him have lived and died on the Inquisitor's say so. I just really wish I could have a "You realize I've done much worse right?" choice limited dialogue yay.

 

But if he's really concerned about that he shouldn't add to it. That's my issue with him bringing it up to begin with. Why mention corruption (in front of my advisors and troops no less) and then try to get my quizzy to validate it in the worst way? That conversation really couldn't wait? (I feel compelled to pick the Stop where you are dialogue because everything else strikes me as absurd to do in the middle of his judgement. Well other than the conscription option which means he never does it in the first place.) At the very least I should've gotten a "Not. Now." option because really it looks utterly awful for the judge to me macing on the prisoner right after giving him his sentence.

 

@ryz, you're fine! I'm sorry my comment bothered you, I definitely don't mean to say that everyone who dislikes it is all I NEED PERFECTION, and I probably got a bit careless with the wording in post because I was thinking of some very specific and obnoxious posts I saw awhile ago. But your thoughts on BW are always good to read and definitely you're not alone in having very valid and complex reasons to dislike him/the romance.

 

Ah sorry then. I just get defensive of the whole KISA thing. XD

 

I probably could grow to at least appreciate (even if not like) the romance if not for the judgement scene. I can avoid the walk of shame, I can avoid most of the cheesy flirts, but I can't avoid that judgement scene and it just bugs me so much. I get that it's supposed to be romantic but all I can think is "so...everyone's just watching her shove her tongue down his throat. And this isn't awkward at all." I'm surprised Josephine didn't pull you to the side.