Yeah I usually do the two mages and one warrior and rogue setup too. (Warrior 90% of the time Bull. I can't help it I'm a bullrider 
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But I tried out Bull and Cass (for dat Banter) with either a mage (Solas or Vivienne) or Varric (depending on my class). It's been a lot of fun. When I was on my dual wield rogue the envy demon fight was hilarious PANIC PANIC EVERYWHERE! I imagine poor Solas just shaking his head.
@ryz: Hehe, I actually had Blackwall, Bull, AND Cass together for a while when I was in the Emerald Graves - until running back and forth to swap to a rogue when I found a locked door started to drive me crazy, lol.
I must admit, playing as Cadash kind of ruined other racial choices for Blackwall's romance for me. Carta thug's background fits perfectly with the redemption arc. And I was very "meh, female dwarves" before playing as one.
But, height difference can be reversed with interesting consequences. 
There is something that bothers me in Rainier's story. He said Warden would not accept him. Why is it? I thought it was a common knowledge GW take criminals as recruits. I can understand if he was a Fereldan where Wardens are mostly just a legend, but in Orlais they were pretty common.
@ash: Considering that he was wanted in Orlais for a really serious crime (the Callier massacre), he (and this is what I get from what he said) seemed to believe that the Wardens in Val Chevin might not have believed him when he said that the real Blackwall had recruited him. They might even have believed that he'd killed the real Blackwall.
While the Wardens do take anyone and everyone, you're talking about one missing Warden-Constable versus the word of a wanted murderer that all of Orlais kind of wanted dead at the time. Sure, he was obviously telling the truth about Blackwall, but I don't think that he was going to gamble on it at the time.
EDIT: lol@the comic btw.
@ash: Considering that he was wanted in Orlais for a really serious crime (the Callier massacre), he (and this is what I get from what he said) seemed to believe that the Wardens in Val Chevin might not have believed him when he said that the real Blackwall had recruited him. They might even have believed that he'd killed the real Blackwall.
While the Wardens do take anyone and everyone, you're talking about one missing Warden-Constable versus the word of a wanted murderer that all of Orlais kind of wanted dead at the time. Sure, he was obviously telling the truth about Blackwall, but I don't think that he was going to gamble on it at the time.
EDIT: lol@the comic btw.
True, but it did not stop Blackwall from recruiting Rainier. And I think taking Blackwall's personality with a risk of running into real Wardens was a more dangerous gamble than growing a beard and knocking at Val Chevin saying: "Guys, are you looking for new recruits?"
Probably this decision was more emotional, than logical. "Oh, no, now this Warden is dead because of me".
Not Blackwall related, but for people who only visit this thread: heads up for Patch 3
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@ash: Possibly - the issue of him being a murderer would likely never have stopped the real Blackwall from recruiting him if he knew who Rainier really was, but I don't think he knew that it was the infamous Captain Rainier - or maybe he did, no way of really telling for sure. According to Rainier's story (the one he tells you if you ask about the barmaid), the real Blackwall saw some drunk wrecking a bunch of guys hassling a barmaid, which is when the real Blackwall seemed to take an interest in him.
The real Blackwall saw someone who could fight pretty skillfully (more or less), and I guess that was enough for him as far as recruiting Rainier went - or maybe he even saw a guy who seemed desperate for redemption. At any rate, I would agree that Blackwall (aka Rainier) wasn't being entirely logical and that there was undoubtedly an emotional component to his decision.
Not Blackwall related, but for people who only visit this thread: heads up for Patch 3
Hey, thanks! Didn't see Blackwall dialogue bug on the list so probably should continue to be safe and not exhaust all of his personal questions.
@ryz: Hehe, I actually had Blackwall, Bull, AND Cass together for a while when I was in the Emerald Graves - until running back and forth to swap to a rogue when I found a locked door started to drive me crazy, lol.
XD yeah that's the same reason I'm never without a rogue. Locked doors are the devil.
XD yeah that's the same reason I'm never without a rogue. Locked doors are the devil.
Nothing beats finding this "use your missing party member skill" button at the end of a dungeon. 
Hey, thanks! Didn't see Blackwall dialogue bug on the list so probably should continue to be safe and not exhaust all of his personal questions.
Which reminds me... that I got this bug in my both playthroughs. Did I miss a lot? Avoiding spoilers is nice and dandy until you run into bugs and glitches.
@ash: Yeah, we're supposed to be able to ask Blackwall some questions after his judgment. But since most people who romanced him asked him every question possible, it pretty much triggered the bug for most of us. veeia managed to get the dialogue, so she made a video - I'll just embed it below for everyone's convenience.
I agree that I think Blackwall's reasons for not going to the Wardens is kind of weak. I mean as a first reaction OH GOD THEY'LL THINK IM A MURDERER it makes sense but it was....what, 5 years that he was wandering around as Blackwall?
Personally though, I read it as yet another way Blackwall was running away. If he had actually become a warden, he would have had to do it as Thom Rainier and he'd have to face his crimes and he'd have to go through all the character growth that a big life change like that requires, etc. 
@veeia: Yeah, he does have a tendency to run from things (or did before you - heh - resolve things), but I figure that after spending that long living the lie and getting away with it, it was just easier to keep pretending. While the Wardens probably would have accepted him no matter what in the immediate aftermath of Blackwall's death, once he'd impersonated for him that long, I think it was impossible to, like, just show up in Val Chevin to explain things. I think the masquerade had gone on for so long that he couldn't just go and take it all back and have everyone believe his story.
Yeah me too, that and the fact he never gets found by other wardens who may have known the real Blackwall (given his recruiter status in Orlais surely a lot of new wardens knew him).I agree that I think Blackwall's reasons for not going to the Wardens is kind of weak. I mean as a first reaction OH GOD THEY'LL THINK IM A MURDERER it makes sense but it was....what, 5 years that he was wandering around as Blackwall?
Personally though, I read it as yet another way Blackwall was running away. If he had actually become a warden, he would have had to do it as Thom Rainier and he'd have to face his crimes and he'd have to go through all the character growth that a big life change like that requires, etc.
Hmm, if they'd gone with a totally different plot and made him a real Warden-Constable, I don't see how they would have dealt with that. I mean, let's say the whole Rainier thing never existed - had this been the case and he was just plain old real Warden-Constable Blackwall, then he probably would've been in the same boat as all the other Wardens (from a logical standpoint). It's clear that the Orlesian Wardens were effectively under Cory's control from as far back as the Conclave (per the Inquisitor's recovered Fade memories).
I'm not sure that I would buy a real Warden-Constable Blackwall as a single holdout like Stroud who somehow realizes that the Calling they're all hearing is a false one and stands up to Clarel. On the other hand, maybe they could have convincingly pulled that off and set up a schism within the Orlesian order (but in hindsight, that seems rather redundant with the larger conflict between the Orlesian Wardens and Weisshaupt in the epilogue).
So during Blackwall's quest Explanation when he picks up the Comander's badge and you can choose the option "You mean your badge" did anyone else headcanon that their inquisitor had poked holes in his story and was gently reminding him of his cover?
Haha, Hella was waaaaaay too oblivious to get what was happening but as a player, I had already figured it out, so I totally choose that as a "buddy COME ON get better at this lying business you are r e a l l y bad at it."
Haha, Hella was waaaaaay too oblivious to get what was happening but as a player, I had already figured it out, so I totally choose that as a "buddy COME ON get better at this lying business you are r e a l l y bad at it."
Abaeni definitely looked at him sideways. She was a buyer for the carta, she's too good at reading people to not notice that slip.
@cap: I thought the dialogue and his reaction was a bit odd when I did Explanations, but I wasn't entirely sure what was up at the time on my first playthrough. I mean, I sort of vaguely suspected something was off but wasn't quite sure what was wrong (ah, the early days when I still thought he was actually a Warden...woops!).
@cap: I thought the dialogue and his reaction was a bit odd when I did Explanations, but I wasn't entirely sure what was up at the time on my first playthrough. I mean, I sort of vaguely suspected something was off but wasn't quite sure what was wrong (ah, the early days when I still thought he was actually a Warden...woops!).
I totally exiled him my first playthrough. I thought he was boring and had no use for a sword and shielder at the time. It was only until my third playthrough that I actually got his full content, lol.
Patch 3 notes here. Haven't seen anything regarding the Blackwall dialogue thing, but since they were focusing on bugs that "blocked progression or hampered the player experience", I can understand why they wouldn't see it as a priority. At least they're doing something about the banter bug!
I love that Blackwall is such a crappy liar. He knew that with his lack of talent for deception, the only way he could finesse things was to grow a bunch of facial hair and move to the f__ing sticks.
@cap: lol - well, I'd flirted with him in Haven, so I was already interested in him. What got me was when he ended up so flustered after the line about compliments in my Quizzy's quarters. I didn't end up exiling him...unless you count temporarily exiling him from my Quizzy's quarters for a bit right after Revelations (he needed at least some punishment time for that!).
I love the where were you during the 5th blight. Oh Ferelden huh, where the only 3 wardens in the country were at the time when you were supposed tobe giving some speech in Orlais?
Great research Blackwall!
@cap: lol - well, I'd flirted with him in Haven, so I was already interested in him. What got me was when he ended up so flustered after the line about compliments in my Quizzy's quarters. I didn't end up exiling him...unless you count temporarily exiling him from my Quizzy's quarters for a bit right after Revelations (he needed at least some punishment time for that!).
I looove that banter and him being flustered. Too cute.
I like him much more now, but I totally sneered when I first recruited him. I was like "What is wrong with BioWare's writers?"
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