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[Scuttlebutt101]

I live in a tiny country in Northern Europe, so yeah, not exactly Seattle  And I haven't read Pride and Prejudice (though I wanted to), so I have no idea what y'all are talking about. I'll just leave some intense!Blackwall here as my contribution.

 

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Okay, it's a weird screen, but I just love how his hair looks in the sun and I only managed to get one decent shot of it. His hair color looks very rich and warm here.

 

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And yeah, I want more stuff with my Warden(s).

[Bazylia]

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Okay, it's a weird screen, but I just love how his hair looks in the sun and I only managed to get one decent shot of it. His hair color looks rich and warm here.

Love the lighting in that scene, and how it makes a nice contrast with the prison scenes, where Blackwall sits in the dark, and how during/after the judgement he sort of steps into the light. Great visual imagery.

 

 

And yeah, I want wome stuff with my Warden(s).

No other in-game protagonist was ever as close to my heart as the Warden. Not even Shepard.

[Ynqve]

You know Veeia, you're just gonna have to find a way to make a flash version of the game so that we all get to join in the fun!

 

(I'm in northern Europe as well.) 

[Gilsa]

As an aside, and whilst we're on the topic of great works of literature and me posting a Snape piccy, I've had a total crush on Alan Rickman for years now - and him as Colonel Brandon in Sense and Sensibility had me swooning all the time hehe What can I say, I love me some older man!

 

*whispers* Don't worry Blackwall, you're the best one of course!

 

 

You have excellent taste in men. My crush started with Die Hard. I didn't realize he was Snape at first, but he became the only reason why I even watched the Harry Potter movies. (I preferred the books. The movies were more like cliff notes so less of an emotional investment.) =p

 

I would be very surprised if we don't get something Warden related for DLC. The Architect, the strange stuff they were doing in DA2, Last Flight, the new info about the Blight and the epilogue stuff from Inquisition are all building up a new Warden plotline. It's either going to be DLC or a big part of the plot of DA4. 

 

I agree. I feel they're really going somewhere with the Grey Wardens since they've consistently shown up across all the games in one fashion or another and the epilogue hints at something dramatic. This is why Hawke only lives in my canon game. I've been letting Stroud, Loghain, and Alistair live in the rest because what if they continue to come back? They're now senior ranking wardens -- I'd rather have them greet my next protagonist instead of some unknown character. I even have Blackwall being sent to the Grey Wardens in a non-romanced game just in case he becomes important in the upcoming conflict. I'm curious to see what happens next, if the Calling can be cured after all.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@Hanako Ikezawa: I am sorry you understood it was directed to you personally, I frankly don't remember who said that and you certainly are not the only one who compares Rainier to Sten.

It's fine. I didn't read it as directed at me personally, but since I am one of the ones who has done that I figured I should reply since you were wondering about the people who did make that comparison.

[veeia]

I just want the Architect back.

Arky >>> Cory

[I WANT YOU TO FUCK ME JERY]

I hope for a Warden DLC. Especially if my Warden gets to interact with Blackwall. 

 

That would be...entertaining. 

[Ynqve]

I just want the Architect back.

Arky >>> Cory

 

Me too! I was a bit disappointed that we didn't hear anything about him in Inquisition. I get that they didn't want to bring him back, but give us a Grey Warden report on him or something! Or maybe they did and I just didn't find it, either way I miss him. 

[SmilesJA]

Me too! I was a bit disappointed that we didn't hear anything about him in Inquisition. I get that they didn't want to bring him back, but give us a Grey Warden report on him or something! Or maybe they did and I just didn't find it, either way I miss him. 

 

You miss a guy who unapogetically killed people for the sake of his experiments?! 

[SmilesJA]

On a side note so far in my playthrough I've not seen any sign of the Archetect......

[Ynqve]

I agree. I feel they're really going somewhere with the Grey Wardens since they've consistently shown up across all the games in one fashion or another and the epilogue hints at something dramatic. This is why Hawke only lives in my canon game. I've been letting Stroud, Loghain, and Alistair live in the rest because what if they continue to come back? They're now senior ranking wardens -- I'd rather have them greet my next protagonist instead of some unknown character. I even have Blackwall being sent to the Grey Wardens in a non-romanced game just in case he becomes important in the upcoming conflict. I'm curious to see what happens next, if the Calling can be cured after all.

 

I want to keep the Warden contact alive, but I'm just way to attached to my Hawkes. And Varric reaction is heartbreaking! But I may do a douche Hawke in the Keep to kill off for Loghain in a later playthrough.

 

I would be lying if I said that the potential Warden plot didn't influence my decision to send Blackwall to them. Sending him to the Wardens is so much more interesting imho, even if it breaks my Inquisitors heart. 

[Ynqve]

You miss a guy who unapogetically killed people for the sake of his experiments?! 

 

Of course! He's the best villain we've had since Loghain. 

[SmilesJA]

I want to keep the Warden contact alive, but I'm just way to attached to my Hawkes. And Varric reaction is heartbreaking! But I may do a douche Hawke in the Keep to kill off for Loghain in a later playthrough.

 

I would be lying if I said that the potential Warden plot didn't influence my decision to send Blackwall to them. Sending him to the Wardens is so much more interesting imho, even if it breaks my Inquisitors heart. 

 

Personally I like my heroes sacrificing themselves for the greater good. I've read what happened if Hawke was spared and it turns out that he doesn't come back to help the Inquisition!

[Ynqve]

Personally I like my heroes sacrificing themselves for the greater good. I've read what happened if Hawke was spared and it turns out that he doesn't come back to help the Inquisition!

 

Honestly it's all about Varric, Anders and Carver. I can't kill Hawke because it would destroy them. And while it would have been nice to recruit Hawke, I like that s/he doesn't disappear but leaves for Weisshaupt.

[veeia]

He was not mentioned in Inquisition. Trust me if he had been, I would have known about it by now. Even if I missed it in game, and I was looking trust me, one of my friends would have told me.

...not an Architect fan girl or anything, NOOOOOPE. That'd be weird.

[SmilesJA]

Honestly it's all about Varric, Anders and Carver. I can't kill Hawke because it would destroy them. And while it would have been nice to recruit Hawke, I like that s/he doesn't disappear but leaves for Weisshaupt.

 

I like some tragedy! Besides it said that Hawke PROBABLY will die, so I wouldn't count him out just yet.

[Ynqve]

I like some tragedy! Besides it said that Hawke PROBABLY will die, so I wouldn't count him out just yet.

 

Yes, but Varric and Carver have had so much tragedy. They've lost the rest of their families, I wanted to spare them this time. And lol, that's the only thing that stopped me from having a meltdown when they forced me to choose between Hawke and Loghain. I love the grumpy bastard, I don't want him to die! 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

@hanako: Great, and maybe you can go around to other character threads and start accusing all the other characters who ever directly killed innocents and/or who were indirectly responsible for the deaths of innocents of being mass murderers, child killers, plain old murderers, perpetrators of manslaughter, or of being general malcontents? Why don't we go down the list of just a few DA characters/companions/advisors who killed other people!

I have gone around in those threads and expressed my opinion on what they did and say what they are. What's your point? 

 

Though I find it funny that you include Josephine, whose only death was an accidental one while defending herself from being killed by said person, with the likes of Rainier, Zevran, Sten, Leliana, Anders, Velanna, and Solas. I hope the reason you did that because you expected me to say something in her defense that would make me seem like a hypocrite, but the two scenarios are vastly different in every sense. The other option is you really see that as anywhere near equivalent, and if so sorry but then I'm not the one with a messed up sense of justice like you think.

[Bugsie]

Happy Australia Day to any other Aussie Blackwall fans out there!

Did most of our celebrating yesterday. Quiet family bbq and a bottle of a good OZ shiraz with our feet up today!

Cheers mates!

[AtreiyaN7]

I have gone around in those threads and expressed my opinion on what they did and say what they are. What's your point?

Though I find it funny that you include Josephine, whose only death was an accidental one while defending herself from being killed by said person, with the likes of Rainier, Zevran, Sten, Leliana, Anders, Velanna, and Solas. I hope the reason you did that because you expected me to say something in her defense that would make me seem like a hypocrite, but the two scenarios are vastly different in every sense. The other option is you really see that as anywhere near equivalent, and if so sorry but then I'm not the one with a messed up sense of justice like you think.

Yeah, I reeeeally don't give a flying fig what you think anymore. I just pointed out that you're fixated on this one issue and this one character when other fan faves have killed for money, committed manslaughter, and/or done morally questionable things. Don't like examples being cited in bullet points? Too bad. Don't like Josephine being called a killer? Too bad.

As for why I cited Josephine, it's because - to be quite honest - for reasons that I considered entirely selfish and jut a bit silly (oooh, bards - so romantic and exciting!), she ended up playing at being a bard. Her decision directly resulted in what was really an unnecessary death - one that she herself said that she regretted having a hand in. And, evidently, it's something that she is still haunted by. Sure, it was justifiable self-defense on her end. However, had she not gotten herself involved in that world on a whim, then I guess that casual acquaintance of hers would still be alive.

As for your implication that I'm the one with a messed-up sense of justice and/or morals just because I don't believe that my first course of action in judging others should be applying the Old Testament "eye for an eye" principle (which seems to be how you operate), that's approximately as laughable as your entire body of posts in this thread. A belief in second chances and redemption is hardly a sign of moral corruption or a character defect.

Maybe you should think long and hard about this Mahatma Gandhi quote before accusing anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view on justice and punishment: "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind."

 

EDIT: Man I really hate typing on an iPad - annoying number of typo fixes to be done after finally being able to get on my computer!

[veeia]

"Gators gonna gait." - Gandhi, on Blackwall, probably.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Yeah, I reeeeally don't give a flying fig what you think anymore. I just pointed out that you're fixated on this one issue and this one character when other fan faves have killed for money, committed manslaughter, and/or done morally questionable things. Don't like examples being cited in bullet points? Too bad. Don't like Josephine being called a kller? Too bad.

As for why I cited Josephine, it's because - to be quite honest - for reasons that I considered entirely selfish and jut a bit silly (oooh, bards - so romantic and excting!), she ended up playing at being a bard. Her decision directly resulted in what was really an unnecessary death - one that she herself said that she regretted having a hand in. And, evidently, it's something that she is still haunted by. Sure, it was justifiable self-defense on her end. However, had she not gotten herself involved in that world on a whim, then I guess that casual acquaintance hers would still be alive.

As for your implication that I'm the one with a messed-up sense of justice and/or morals just because I don't believe that my first course of action in judging others shoud be applying the Old Testament "eye for an eye" principle (which seems to be how you operate), that's approximately as laughable as your entire body of posts in this thread. A belief in second chances and redemption is hardly a sign of moral corruptiion or a character defect.

Maybe you should think long and hard about this Mahatma Gandhi quote before accusing anyone who doesn't agree with your point of view on justice and punishment: "An eye for an eye only ends up making the whole world blind."

The feeling's mutual. And I agree with most of your bullet points. In fact, you forgot some, like for example Isabela who drowned a ship load of slaves to escape another ship or whose selfish actions caused the Qunari attack on Kirkwall which resulted in a death toll in the hundreds at least. Call any character what you want, I don't care. You can have any opinion you want.

 

As for Josephine in particular, I never refute that or make excuses for what the character does, unlike you. And the other man is just as much if not more to blame since he also became a bard and attacked. Or are all murder attempt victims as guilty for accidentally killing the murderer in self-defense as the murderer is if they succeeded? You know, like Rainier. So using the former in a comparison to a group like the latter is ridiculous. 

 

And what I do isn't even close to the eye for an eye philosophy. If I were to do an eye for an eye, the result would be the massacre of Rainier's family. But no, I have him serve as a prisoner and atone under the custody of the Inquisition. In no way, shape, or form is that an eye for an eye. But I guess you think everyone should go free as long as they promise to be a good boy or girl, and having any form of punishment is being an eye for an eye.  

[MrsHairyMcLummox]

I have no clue what any of you are talking about.  A book? a game?  backpacks? I'm not cool enough for this thread anymore.  And I don't live in Seattle.  *slinks out to cry alone*

 

I'm also sad because I bought a new computer chair and it's too freakin' tall for my stupid, tiny desk! 

 

Well I'm not even from the States and my husby recently bought a computer chair that is too large and tall for me, sadly I can't blame him because I saw it on a catalogue online and exclaimed 'This one, this one is great!' xD

 

Being Blackwall fans makes us all cool anyway U_U

 

@Hanako: Rainier already atoned by himself saving many more lives than those he had taken, spending entire years of his life in total self-sacrifice to fight the darkspawn and later to save the farmers in Redcliffe from the demons. I'd say that this makes him a far better man than the ordinary man who doesn't lift a finger to help and just waits for others to fix things. About punishment, I think he's already been punishing himself more than enough feeling guilty for his actions. He doesn't need us to judge his actions or to decide if he's worthy of redemption or not, he's perfectly capable of taking responsibility for what he had done. He dedicates his life to saving people and when it comes to dealing with his past he does not conscript Mornay as warden Blackwall but he wants to face the consequences of his actions. He doesn't need our forgiveness nor punishment, he stands up for himself. 

[AtreiyaN7]

And what I do isn't even close to the eye for an eye philosophy. If I were to do an eye for an eye, the result would be the massacre of Rainier's family. But no, I have him serve as a prisoner and atone under the custody of the Inquisition. In no way, shape, or form is that an eye for an eye. But I guess you think everyone should go free as long as they promise to be a good boy or girl, and having any form of punishment is being an eye for an eye.  

 

Oh, the hilarity! I do at least appreciate this one final laugh that I am now having at your expense. Reading everything that you have ever written in here - and responding to you - has truly been a complete and utter waste of my time (especially with all your passive-aggressive crap), and this pretty much cements my opinion on the subject. That bolded, underlined portion also proves what a hypocrite you are when it comes to matters of "justice" and moral rectitude as far as I'm concerned.

 

I'll let everyone else judge your beliefs and your attitude as far as that obnoxious statement about what you would hypothetically do if you went all "eye-for-an-eye" (LATE EDIT: additionally, your idea that indentured servitude is somehow a sign that you're oh-so-magnanimous makes me laugh even harder). Now it's time to do myself a favor and put you on ignore. Keep typing away if you want, but I won't be reading it. Maybe you can start attacking Gandhi or Martin Luther King, Jr. next, though! While you can throw barbs at them over their personal peccadilloes, they're both people I respect for their stances on equality and justice. Both of them showed great compassion, wisdom, and empathy - qualities that I believe you lack.

 

Bye now! I'd say aloha because I'm from Hawaii, but that word would imply that I like you, respect you, and have warm feelings towards you - but I really don't.

[Catwall]

I think it's time to celebrate my fellow Beardfriends (and lighten the mood) with some grilled cheese sandwiches and some wine-in-a-box!

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