I've seen the nonromanced one, lmao, and he does come across as a self-righteous hypocrite. I mean I still would defend him in it and overanalyze and explain it and call that reading reductionist etc etcccc buuuuuut I can understand why some people who got on his disapproval path really dont like him. My male Cadash is really not fond of him
erm i mean
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throws confetti.
Heh, I went into the game knowing Blackwall was lying (thanks to spoilers posted on the forums before the game's release). I approached Blackwall like this the whole time my first playthrough:
That might also be why I wasn't bothered by his "big reveal" as some people seem to be around the forums here. I wasn't tricked 
Edit: Oh, hi page 500... Here's my Quizzy, Macha Lavellan, who's romancing Blackwall. Um, she's a Dalish mage, former apprentice to her Keeper, and uh... I didn't have a bio planned.
(I'll get around to writing a bio later...maybe 
)
Awww yeah, page 500 bby. If you've got your bio's done, feel free to post 'em. 
I've seen the nonromanced one, lmao, and he does come across as a self-righteous hypocrite. I mean I still would defend him in it and overanalyze and explain it and call that reading reductionist etc etcccc buuuuuut I can understand why some people who got on his disapproval path really dont like him. My male Cadash is really not fond of him
erm i mean
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throws confetti.
I really still wish I could ****** Bull off. The amount of probing into his character I could do from that. But nooo he just doesn't want to talk to me. Damn you Bull.
Congrats Blackwall thread 
Also now I kind of want to have her do a spiraling into darkness path. Maybe I should have her hold off on a specialization til after then go necromancer...
Sabreenei, I don't think you sound fussy at all. There are words that are too important to just toss around and risk the dilution of their meaning, and I think "hypocrite" is one of them.
Blackwall does not feign virtue- he is actively striving toward it, however faltering his progress may seem to himself and others. Nor does not claim virtue- if anything, he is hyper-cognizant of his flaws, and seems to remind himself of them as a way of keeping himself in line. So, no, he's definitely not a hypocrite, as you say.
When he lashes out at the player about some of their decisions, he's not saying "Do as I say, not as I do," so much as, "Do as I say, not as I have done and regret immensely." And god knows he is not always right in these matters, but he is not hypocritical.//soapbox off.
Awww yeah, page 500 bby. If you've got your bio's done, feel free to post 'em.
Working on mine now!
OK IM GONNA POST MY CADASH BIO. Sorry for the novel.
quick photodump
Wait...the flowers on her head?
Are those a mod? They look like they're in game and not just drawn on.
I'm very confused.
Ardent Blossom! It's a rare drop helmet. I added it with cheat engine.
Sabreenei, I don't think you sound fussy at all. There are words that are too important to just toss around and risk the dilution of their meaning, and I think "hypocrite" is one of them.
Blackwall does not feign virtue- he is actively striving toward it, however faltering his progress may seem to himself and others. Nor does not claim virtue- if anything, he is hyper-cognizant of his flaws, and seems to remind himself of them as a way of keeping himself in line. So, no, he's definitely not a hypocrite, as you say.
When he lashes out at the player about some of their decisions, he's not saying "Do as I say, not as I do," so much as, "Do as I say, not as I have done and regret immensely." And god knows he is not always right in these matters, but he is not hypocritical.//soapbox off.
First between the lack of true evil choices in DAI (most of them are on the war table and you rarely get anything above a slightly approves/disapproves from those if you even get approval at all) the tyrant line is absurd. It really doesn't help that I got that rant when all I did was conscript templars and banish wardens. Neither of which are evil actions (or even very tyrannical come to think of it since the Templars agree to the conscription. It's not even like the mages where they really don't have a choice). He can whine about evil all he likes and lives destroyed all he wants doesn't matter if it's complete bullocks. The wardens are already vulnerable to being slaves to Cory and have already caused damage. But I'm supposed to roll out the welcome wagon and leave Cory an obvious weakness to exploit?
(Not to mention the obvious hypocrisy in "I don't talk about people behind their backs." *approval gets higher. Proceeds to talk about people behind their backs*) Not to mention he is still currently on the run, lying about who he is while his men continue to die for his crime when he's saying it. (Mornay wouldn't of been the only lose string they had to take time to catch).
I mean most of the companions have hypocritical moments. (looking at you Bull with your "I don't want to discuss my relationship with the Inquisitior." *proceeds to bluntly tell Sera about his relationship with the Inquisitor then you call him on it and he's all "she asked"). Condemning someone for innocent lives lost (that aren't even lost in my case) while you're running and still having other people take the fall for you (and have been doing such for years) isn't a beacon of self awareness.
Woohooo! Page 500!! I'm going to photodump and post my bio shortly. First, this must be on the page:
Also, I have to post this image of Blackwall I found earlier in the thread. I can't find the artist, so if anyone knows it or finds it, then I'll put a link to their site!
First between the lack of true evil choices in DAI (most of them are on the war table and you rarely get anything above a slightly approves/disapproves from those if you even get approval at all) the tyrant line is absurd. It really doesn't help that I got that rant when all I did was conscript templars and banish wardens. Neither of which are evil actions (or even very tyrannical come to think of it since the Templars agree to the conscription. It's not even like the mages where they really don't have a choice). He can whine about evil all he likes and lives destroyed all he wants doesn't matter if it's complete bullocks. The wardens are already vulnerable to being slaves to Cory and have already caused damage. But I'm supposed to roll out the welcome wagon and leave Cory an obvious weakness to exploit?
(Not to mention the obvious hypocrisy in "I don't talk about people behind their backs." *approval gets higher. Proceeds to talk about people behind their backs*) Not to mention he is still currently on the run, lying about who he is while his men continue to die for his crime when he's saying it. (Mornay wouldn't of been the only lose string they had to take time to catch).
I definitely see what you're saying, but I guess to me this is more of a "Wow, Blackwall, you can be a huge, values-inconsistent a__hole thing than an outright hypocrisy thing (which I consider to be maliciously feigning and/or claiming virtue.)
Anyway, I didn't want to leave your comment unaddressed, but I am going to go work more on my character bio now (I should have started earlier, but I got caught up listening to hair metal for embarrassing reasons.) Tootles!
I definitely see what you're saying, but I guess to me this is more of a "Wow, Blackwall, you can be a huge, values-inconsistent a__hole thing than an outright hypocrisy thing (which I consider to be maliciously feigning and/or claiming virtue.)
Anyway, I didn't want to leave your comment unaddressed, but I am going to go work more on my character bio now (I should have started earlier, but I got caught up listening to hair metal for embarrassing reasons.) Tootles!
Damnit right before my edit too DX Oh well. I guess it's because I'm seeing the virtue as being implied in his tone.
No that's fine. I should finish my high elf anyway >_> I long for a mod like journal of the dragonborn in Inquisition. It's an excellent character development tool and I wish rpgs would implement them more often. It wouldn't be console friendly though 
But just being able to scribble down how my character feels during the game is a lot more easy for me to mold their personality than trying to figure it out before playing. Feels more organic too. PC receives crappy payment for long arduous quest. scribbles in journal WTF I CAN'T BELIEVE THIS CRAP?!?
(Plus the notes some of my PCs would've had during certain events. Lulz. Could've had a nice touch like certain companions drawing scribbles and adding notes into it too.)
So when do you think Blackwall learned the ways of the Champion?
So when do you think Blackwall learned the ways of the Champion?
Probably when he was young. Maybe a bit after the grand tourney? He mentioned the Chavalier wanting a apprentice and I assume they have a way similar to that so it wouldn't surprise me if he picked it up afterwards.
So when do you think Blackwall learned the ways of the Champion?
I feel this uncontrollable urge to say he learned the ways of the Champion in my Inquisitor's quarters. *snerk* Forgive me! I couldn't resist the impulse!!!!
Back to being serious: Blackwall was a soldier for over 20 years. In theory, I think he might have seen the techniques on the battlefield or studied the rudiments early on when he joined the army, perhaps (or maybe before that like ryz suggested - sometime after he'd won the Grand Tourney)? Also, in Skyhold, there's probably not a whole lot for anyone to do during their downtime (unless they hooked up with the Inquisitor) but to practice their combat techniques or to learn new ones.
At least, I'm assuming that they don't spend all their time in the tavern drinking themselves silly. And now that I think about it, you do seem to have an awful lot of books in the library (plus that weird dungeon-esque library downstairs from Josie). Companions might be able to pick up techniques there, or maybe the Inquisitor has just up and decided to hire trainers for everyone to unlock their potential - lol.
Kiara Trevelyan, assassin rogue who allied with the mages, kept the Wardens and basically makes all her decisions based on mercy and emotion, even while she snarks at everything and pretends, 'emotions? what emotions? me?"
And, photos galore! Because I can! muahahhahahaha!
The way too long bio:
@kala: Your elf is so gorgeous! I've been admiring her for awhile, as sometimes I lurk over in the character creation thread & the modding thread. Just beautiful!
@veeia: I'm obsessed with Hella, so post all the pictures you want. I her and your bio for her. 
I was alternately cracking up and going "awww I love it" the whole time I was reading. She and my Kiara would get into such outrageous trouble.
@rinji: Aina is beautiful, love those eyes. She really looks like a noble. I'll be happy to read her bio!
re: disapproval paths: They did a pretty good job in this game of really making the disapproval path bring out the worst in each characters personality. It seems to take whatever is a strong quality and heighten it to the point of being adversarial. I haven't watched all the characters at their low points, but from the ones I have seen, it really emphasizes their character flaws. With Blackwall, he turns very self-righteous and refuses to see that just because it's not a "forgiving" choice, it doesn't mean it's an evil choice.
re: When he learns the Champion skill: It's an interesting question! No one gets their skills until you get to Skyhold, but was that because they've recently learned them? Or now, as Inquisitor, you finally see the full potential in your companions that had always been there? (aside from game mechanics, lol). I haven't thought enough on it, to know what my head canon would be! (besides in my inquisitor's quarters, lol @Atreiya!)
Ugh, my bio is overlong and my pics were taken by my phone! But here it is anyways, and thanks in advance for indulging me!
First, pics:
And the too long bio:
EDIT: Could I be more in love with Carys, Hella and Kiara? No, no I could not! More glorious quizzies, pls.
EDIT 2: and I just caught the image of Aina- simply gawjus!
Damnit right before my edit too DX Oh well. I guess it's because I'm seeing the virtue as being implied in his tone.
No that's fine. I should finish my high elf anyway >_> I long for a mod like journal of the dragonborn in Inquisition. It's an excellent character development tool and I wish rpgs would implement them more often. It wouldn't be console friendly though
(Plus the notes some of my PCs would've had during certain events. Lulz. Could've had a nice touch like certain companions drawing scribbles and adding notes into it too.)
I actually do kinda do that, I have a OneNote open that I throw all kinds of character feels in it.
But NOW you have given me a horrible idea that I might have to do.... uh oh.
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