I don't want to be rude, but can we stop here, actually? Or at least use milder expressions? There's enough character bashing outside this thread.
I'm not sure what I said that was so harsh... but ok. My intent was not to bash anyway. Vivienne has a distinct flaw of pushing people down if she can't use them. For all her grandstanding, she knows she is not as great as she pretends.
It's a nice contrast to Blackwall who underestimates his worth.
I don't want to be rude, but can we stop here, actually? Or at least use milder expressions? There's enough character bashing outside this thread.
But she didn't write it in the Vivienne fan thread, and it's true, Vivienne is almost never nice to anyone... that said, I like Vivienne for what she is and in this playthrough I'm starting to understand her character better. In my first run she disapproved everything I said and did and I didn't give a FU, this time I told her she was right about mages and circles and suggested her to become the new divine and include mages in the Chantry. She agreed and thanked me for the idea.
In general, if you treat people well they will treat you well and will be nicer, if you mistreat them, they will start doing the same. Not a big surprise xD
Blackwall told Sera in my game last night folk don't want to see his arse. Hey that dialogue was new for me. xD
As for Viv, I like her, she gave me a lovely ring in most of my runs.
Criticizing characters is fine and yes, Vivienne is pretty horrible to Blackwall and many others, but saying things like "low" and "close to dirt" is closer to bashing. I've totally been guilty of that myself about other characters, but not in this thread, since it's one of the more civil ones here (from what I've seen, at least). But nevermind, I'm no mod and people can talk however they like here. Shouldn't have said anything in the first place.
Blackwall told Sera in my game last night folk don't want to see his arse. Hey that dialogue was new for me. xD
As for Viv, I like her, she gave me a lovely ring in most of my runs.
Well he can speak for himself, cuz i deffo would want to see his arse :-)
Aha. He was pretty enthusiastic about wanting to help Sera after all this Inquisy srs bsns is over, those two are great together.
Criticizing characters is fine and yes, Vivienne is pretty horrible to Blackwall and many others, but saying things like "low" and "close to dirt" is closer to bashing. I've totally been guilty of that myself about other characters, but not in this thread, since it's one of the more civil ones here (from what I've seen, at least). But nevermind, I'm no mod and people can talk however they like here. Shouldn't have said anything in the first place.
I agree the words were a bit strong and m painfully conscious that all the bashing in other threads make us a bit nervous, I've been close to emotional outburst more than once in the past days, malice is a poison. That said, hug.
P.S. I've just read your Quizzie's bio and I wanted to like it but again I'm out of likes.
Criticizing characters is fine and yes, Vivienne is pretty horrible to Blackwall and many others, but saying things like "low" and "close to dirt" is closer to bashing. I've totally been guilty of that myself about other characters, but not in this thread, since it's one of the more civil ones here (from what I've seen, at least). But nevermind, I'm no mod and people can talk however they like here. Shouldn't have said anything in the first place.
Ah, I have expressed myself poorly. I wanted to make a contrast between the image Vivienne presents of being one of the 'high' and 'superior' people when really she is pretty ordinary, hence the 'close to the dirt'. I meant the dirt as in the ground as opposed to the lofty ideal which would be the sky. Not that Vivienne was dirt.
I'll file this in my cabinet of failed metaphors. Excuse me. It will need some time, darn thing's so full.
I am always playing Tetris in my cabinet of failed metaphors. Like when you put one more soda in the fridge and 3 containers of yogurt fall out.
Veeia - yeah, British VA. And expressions are so good. Last night SnarkQuisitor Gideon went straight out to recruit Blackwall. Not messin' around, man. Now Gideon is all, I am crap at this warrior thing, maybe this guy can teach me to not suck. Hah.
Yeah, those darn yogurt containers... Oh well, live and learn.
I had an Inquisitor named Gideon too! He was a rogue though and didn't spend much time around Blackwall because he was entranced by Cassandra. I think I did take all my warriors out at once at some point for banter purposes. Much teasing ensued.
So, I'm curious. I haven't gotten to this part yet, but I was wondering about the romanced version of the prison scene. I wanted to roleplay my Inquisitor as being royally ticked off at Blackwall during that scene... if I pick any angry options, does that end the romance?
So, I'm curious. I haven't gotten to this part yet, but I was wondering about the romanced version of the prison scene. I wanted to roleplay my Inquisitor as being royally ticked off at Blackwall during that scene... if I pick any angry options, does that end the romance?
Romance ending lines have a blue broken heart symbol and a little subtitle that tells you 'end the romance'. Other than that, yell at him as much as you want. 
Romance ending lines have a blue broken heart symbol and a little subtitle that tells you 'end the romance'. Other than that, yell at him as much as you want.
Yay! My Lavellan definitely will not handle it well. She normally had a more forgiving view of humans than her fellow Dalish, but after the reveal she can't help but feel like maybe she should have heeded the warnings from the Dalish about humans. So, feeling both betrayed and foolish, she'll snap.
Yay! My Lavellan definitely will not handle it well. She normally had a more forgiving view of humans than her fellow Dalish, but after the reveal she can't help but feel like maybe she should have heeded the warnings from the Dalish about humans. So, feeling both betrayed and foolish, she'll snap.
Oh, my Cadash pulled the "I never loved you" card because she was lashing out badly about it. Romance went on just fine. I tried it both with saying it and not, and I think it was better with saying it; he ends up with some extra dialogue during the judgment scene that I really liked. I felt it set things up a little better. Spoiler tag so you can read my thoughts if you want, or avoid if you don'T want to know too much.
Was laughing yesterday while out in the Storm Coast. We got near the water and Blackwall made a comment like, "Ah, the cold salty air." I always liked that little mundane detail about him, that he really likes the open water and such. I swung my camera around and noticed that he was standing in the water, looking out. I think I took some screenshots.
But then not a couple minutes later, Dorian was complaining about the water. Made me laugh.
@Keala... that's good to know! I'll avoid the spoiler tag until I get to the scene. Oooh, this should be interesting considering how my Lavellan was normally goody-goody and nice to everyone no matter what. What happened with Blackwall will really get under her skin, though... she's going to say some nasty things to him.
This will be me during that scene:
So, I'm curious. I haven't gotten to this part yet, but I was wondering about the romanced version of the prison scene. I wanted to roleplay my Inquisitor as being royally ticked off at Blackwall during that scene... if I pick any angry options, does that end the romance?
Yeah, those darn yogurt containers... Oh well, live and learn.
I had an Inquisitor named Gideon too! He was a rogue though and didn't spend much time around Blackwall because he was entranced by Cassandra. I think I did take all my warriors out at once at some point for banter purposes. Much teasing ensued.
My IQ told him she never loved him, even though she knew in her heart that it was nonsense. After all, how could he break her heart, as she told him he did, if she didn't actually love him? Saying stupid things in the heat of the moment is not fun at all in real life, but it was really powerful here, and worth it, even if it did sting.
I personally couldn't take all of the harsh dialog options though. I mean, his self loathing was painfully obvious from the start, and I don't relish kicking people when they're down, even if it seems like down is all they've known. This is why I'll never win "Best roleplayer" awards, lmao.
Well he can speak for himself, cuz i deffo would want to see his arse :-)
My IQ told him she never loved him, even though she knew in her heart that it was nonsense. After all, how could he break her heart, as she told him he did, if she didn't actually love him? Saying stupid things in the heat of the moment is not fun at all in real life, but it was really powerful here, and worth it, even if it did sting.
I personally couldn't take all of the harsh dialog options though. I mean, his self loathing was painfully obvious from the start, and I don't relish kicking people when they're down, even if it seems like down is all they've known. This is why I'll never win "Best roleplayer" awards, lmao.
Yeah, I'm normally nice to people in RPGs too... but I really want her to be super ****ed off. She won't mean the things she'll say, but like you said, people sometimes say stupid things in the heat of the moment when they aren't thinking clearly.
My quizzy took the meanest options including "I never loved you" because she always says dumb and mean things when she's angry. She regretted it right after and it kept tormenting her even after their reunion. I like to think that they actually had a good long talk about this whole mess where they said all their apologies and sorted out their relationship issues completely. Lots of emotionz were involved.
Ah, I have expressed myself poorly. I wanted to make a contrast between the image Vivienne presents of being one of the 'high' and 'superior' people when really she is pretty ordinary, hence the 'close to the dirt'. I meant the dirt as in the ground as opposed to the lofty ideal which would be the sky. Not that Vivienne was dirt.
I'll file this in my cabinet of failed metaphors. Excuse me. It will need some time, darn thing's so full.
I totally missed the point of what you said then *facepalm* Sorry for having been kind of grouchy, having two hours of sleep at night doesn't bring out the best in me 
@Keala... that's good to know! I'll avoid the spoiler tag until I get to the scene. Oooh, this should be interesting considering how my Lavellan was normally goody-goody and nice to everyone no matter what. What happened with Blackwall will really get under her skin, though... she's going to say some nasty things to him.
This will be me during that scene:
Can you please record and post the judgment scene when you pick the harsh dialogue in prison? I want to see this version everyone keeps talking about but I can't do it myself 
and can't find it on YT either
Can you please record and post the judgment scene when you pick the harsh dialogue in prison? I want to see this version everyone keeps talking about but I can't do it myself
Here's the "I never loved you" Judgement scene:
Thank you *hugs Catwall* Hmmm...I think I personally like the "I lied about who I was, but I never lied about what better" line better. But that is just my opinion 
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