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Blackwall Discussion Thread -- The Resolve! [Voiced by Alastair Parker]


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Yeah, Blackwall's pretty fun to examine on subsequent playthroughs.  Also I have this great mental image of a guy yelling at his computer/TV because Blackwall keeps approving of the Inquisitor yelling at him like I'M ANGRY YOU MADE ME ANGRY WHY ARE YOU APPROVING ME OF BEING ANGRY LET ME BE ANGRY AT YOU AND YOU BETTER NOT LIKE IT

 

And that's when I start looking like my BSN icon


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Ahahaa, Gilsa.

 

Quizzie: I HATE YOU
Blackwall: *approves*
Quziee: WHAT NO, YOURE THE WORST
Blackwall: ikr

Quizzie: YOUR'E SUPPOSED TO ARGUE WITH ME. DEFEND YOURSELF. 
Blackwall: I really can't, you're totally right
Quizzie: ARE YOU MAD I HATE YOU? I'M MAD I HATE YOU

Blackwall: nope. you have every right to leave me here to rot
Quizzie: I WANT TO KILL HIM MYSELF

Quizzie: *spares Blackwall*
Quizzie: WHY CANT I KILL HIM
Blackwall: why didn't you leave me to die? why spare me?
Quizzie: I DIDNT MEAN TO
Blackwall: what now?

Quizzie: UGH. just. go to the grey wardens. maybe they'll kill you

Blackwall: *greatly approves*

Blackwall: of course i'll stay here for now
Quizzie: NO

Blackwall: you've been a better friend to me than i deserve

Quizzie: I HATE YOUU

 

this is why i love his arc. it's so nuanced. you can can play it so many different ways and from so many different perspectives, but you can't engage with it on a fanboy rage level, it doesn't work with that kind of reaction. :lol:


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The Blackwall romance in picture book form. 

At the start:

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When you read the letter:

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When you judge him:

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When you are still coming to terms:

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End game:

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LOL! This is probably the one and only time that I find anything related to Grey's Anatomy funny, hahaha.


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I'd like to thank you all for help raising my awareness about broken characters and how awesome they can be. I'm fairly new to the DA fandom even though I played Origins for the first time about 5 years ago. I really just played it and moved on never really thinking too much about getting deeper into the the lore or story. I'm glad when to opportunity arose I could go back and play origins and awakenings and despite all the problems enjoy the more intimate story telling of DA2.

I hope we see some more of Blackwall, if not in games but in a novel or something, that would be cool.

Also I'd like to thank whoever posted that 'I'm on a buffalo' song on tumblr (Gorgo?) because now I can't get the song out of my head everytime I see a druffalo. I'd link the vid, but I'm only 3 mouthfuls into my morning coffee and linking crap on an iPad is annoying.

I finished my 2nd playthrough last night too (well as far as I want to go with it) and Dorians hug at the end was really nice. My pre final battle with Blackwall full of manly love, of a platonic form of course (dang). I judged Samson and then went to bed and dreamt about both him and Viv. That's the second night in a row Viv has invaded my dream space. Also the ending for the Grey Wardens sounds like a lead in to another story *Bugsie greatly approves*
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That's the second night in a row Viv has invaded my dream space. Also the ending for the Grey Wardens sounds like a lead in to another story *Bugsie greatly approves*

 

That's what I'm thinking, too. I was going to have Hawke stay in the Fade on my canon run because I thought the GW would be important in the next game (we still have two Old Gods left at minimum) and I wanted to see Stroud as the familiar face in Weisshaupt, right? (If we end up going there.) Well, ever since I found out that drunk Alistair rejoined the wardens and went to the Orlesian order, I changed my mind. Stroud stays in the Fade because if there's a slim chance that drunk Alistair could be my main point of contact in the next game, oh, hell yes.

 

I left my other Hawkes behind in alt games just so I can continue to see Loghain and Stroud in the next game, if the opportunity presents itself. I think the GW are still important in the grand scheme of things.


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I have recruited every companions except Sera and Blackwall.

 

Can someone guide me how to recruit Blackwall? I didn't do the Warden's mission in Stormcoast. Is it because of that?



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After Val Royeau, Leliana should have told you about a warden in the Hinterlands, which is Blackwall. (It's in the return cutscene, so you don't miss it) Travel to the Upper Lake camp and he's by the cabin there. :)

 

The quest is called "The Lone Warden" and will auto be in your Inner Circles quest section after that conversation. I think it disappears after Adamant? 


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#13434
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It's interesting that all the companions we recruit are stuck in a fight of some kind. They are all on the offensive too, except Blackwall. His very first move is a defensive one: blocking an arrow with his shield.

 

SYMBOLISM!!

 

 

Cole is... a special case.


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Today my bf and I celebrate our 19th anniversary together, but since he's too tired to take me out to a restaurant or do anything else I did the  Catquisition :D

 

Who is who?

 

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Ooh! Let's see!

 

Blackwall is the lion.

Solas is the bald cat.

Sera is the one reclining on the pillows.

Varric is the munchkin.

Dorian is the one with the mustache. (of course)

Cole is the one with the green light.

Iron Bull is the yowling one.

Vivienne is the one with the claw caps.

Cassandra is the lean glaring one in the middle.

 

That leaves the big frilly one in the middle left. Cullen?


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Ooh! Let's see!

 

Blackwall is the lion.

Solas is the bald cat.

Sera is the one reclining on the pillows.

Varric is the munchkin.

Dorian is the one with the mustache. (of course)

Cole is the one with the green light.

Iron Bull is the yowling one.

Vivienne is the one with the claw caps.

Cassandra is the lean glaring one in the middle.

 

That leaves the big frilly one in the middle left. Cullen?

 

Ops I forgot to put The Iron Bull *facepalm*

 

You guessed right save the yowling one is Cassandra and Vivienne is the black one in the middle  :wizard:

The one with claw caps is supposed to be Josie ...sorry Josie, I tried to like you, I really tried but...  :devil:



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Cullen shall be the curly one.

And the one with the mustache is tricky, as Blackwall has exactly the same facial hair under his nose :)

 

PS: CATS :wub:


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Cullen shall be the curly one.

And the one with the moustache is tricky, as Blackwall has exactly the same facial hair under his nose :)

 

PS: CATS :wub:

 

Blackwall is the black lion with the black bi-pointed beard, it all started when I saw the pic of that lion and my first thought was 'Blackwall? What did Dorian do to you?'   :D

 

Edit: yes, I know I see Blackwall everywhere and that I have a problem.


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Well, this proves that Blackwall is just as sexy when in lion mode - lol.


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@MrsRobin- well, it is a wall of cats, so all of them are me! EUREKA! :D


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Blackwall is the black lion with the black bi-pointed beard, it all started when I saw the pic of that lion and my first thought was 'Blackwall? What did Dorian do to you?'   :D

 

Yes, I see it now, but at the first glimpse I noticed the lower left kitty with the funny mustache, and associated to Blackwall immediately  :rolleyes:


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@MrsRobin- well, it is a wall of cats, so all of them are me! EUREKA! :D

 

Omg your'e right I did a Catwall  :lol:


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Ops I forgot to put The Iron Bull *facepalm*

 

You guessed right save the yowling one is Cassandra and Vivienne is the black one in the middle  :wizard:

The one with claw caps is supposed to be Josie ...sorry Josie, I tried to like you, I really tried but...  :devil:

This is more like Josephine kitty, she would never hide her fluff under a t shirt.

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Ops I forgot to put The Iron Bull *facepalm*

 

You guessed right save the yowling one is Cassandra and Vivienne is the black one in the middle  :wizard:

The one with claw caps is supposed to be Josie ...sorry Josie, I tried to like you, I really tried but...  :devil:

No Leliana? Basement Cat Greatly Disapproves. 


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I don't mind the Blackwall "hate" either. It's a very emotional moment in the game for a player to deal with and I've seen plenty of people give Loghain's character a closer look once the rage subsided. They start to understand his character better and so on. Given time, they'll appreciate the layers to Blackwall's arc and how well it works with the overall theme of the game.  The only time I dislike the rage is when the player is mad that he/she was denied the right to execute Blackwall personally in the name of justice when it just boils down to wanting to cut in line first. Extraditing Blackwall is an act of compassion or pragmatism, not a front row seat at the gallows. In fact, I saw a tumblr post the other day that had me laughing. This guy went on about how he hated Blackwall from the beginning and the Revelations stuff just made him despise him even more. He was so frustrated that he kept screaming at Blackwall and Blackwall kept giving out approvals, which just enraged him even more. LOL. That was awesome to read.

As a Rainier hater, I have to agree with this. As a character, Rainier is a great one. He wouldn't evoke such strong emotions on both sides from players if he wasn't. Great characters is basically Bioware's calling card when compared to other Western RPGs. But one can love someone as a character yet despise them as a person. As for the killing him thing, yeah the Inquisitor has no real good reason to do that. If players want that, leave him to Orlais since Orlais has a plenty good reason for that.


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Screaaaaaaaaaaam, my friend finished my comission of my Cadash and Blackwall being fashion disasters. I'm so happy. <3

 

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OMG Veeia, that is friggin' adorable.  Nug and plaid print matches brilliantly!


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Hehe originally Micah said she was gonna put a halla print on it because Hella is obsessed with the Dalish, but she tried it and apparently it looked "too classy", bless her, she knew exactly what I wanted. I have the transparent of the pattern, totally adding it to some Skyhold jams later.
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I don't mind the Blackwall "hate" either. It's a very emotional moment in the game for a player to deal with and I've seen plenty of people give Loghain's character a closer look once the rage subsided. They start to understand his character better and so on. Given time, they'll appreciate the layers to Blackwall's arc and how well it works with the overall theme of the game.  The only time I dislike the rage is when the player is mad that he/she was denied the right to execute Blackwall personally in the name of justice when it just boils down to wanting to cut in line first. Extraditing Blackwall is an act of compassion or pragmatism, not a front row seat at the gallows. In fact, I saw a tumblr post the other day that had me laughing. This guy went on about how he hated Blackwall from the beginning and the Revelations stuff just made him despise him even more. He was so frustrated that he kept screaming at Blackwall and Blackwall kept giving out approvals, which just enraged him even more. LOL. That was awesome to read.

You can personally dislike the actions of a character, find them abhorrent to your own personal values, they might remind you of bad things in your own life, a bad love affair, a crappy workmate, an abusive peer and still like and appreciate them.  They might remind you of parts of yourself that you dislike or despise the same way other characters remind you of parts of you that you really like.  Having said that, whilst I can appreciate characters whose actions/deeds/personality I dislike or hate I don’t tend to spend a great deal of time on what I recognise as good well written characters who I am personally repelled by.  I have gone back to characters after a time and come to appreciate them more, but it took a little bit of distance to dissociate myself from.  There might be some enjoyment on teasing apart initial feelings on why you hate a character so, but I spend far too much time doing analysis in real life to feel like I need to be intellectually stretched in a form of entertainment too.   If I’m compelled I might weigh in, but then I think, I’d rather go for a walk, take Buglet to the playground, draw something, write something, listen to music anything that isn’t debate with a stranger on an internet forum.

 

What annoyes me most about character hate in general and as a Blackwall fan who is fully cognizant of his failings and weaknesses I’ve occasionally felt belittled and shamed by comments saying I don't really understand his failings or weaknesses, or that I excuse and dismiss them and then being targeted for my supposed personal failings because I don’t have the same moral perspectives and attitudes to his character as others do.  I don’t wish to debate with people who think because I like a certain character I fail at logic, the ability to look at a character objectively and worst of all fail at being a good person.


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