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[Sabreenei]

I can't wait for the new patch and the black emporium. I'm hoping it comes out fairly soon.

 

I have my Trev for Cullen, but so far she hasn't done anything with Cullen. Instead I played around testing out if you could start up a romance with Blackwall and then switch to Iron Bull. Totally possible, though you have to break up with him at the bedroom scene. So now my Trev has been part way through the romance with Sera, most of the way with Iron Bull, halfway with Blackwall, but nothing for poor Cullen, who she will ultimately be for. I'm even thnking of downloading the Solas mod, and seeing how some of that plays out, only I think a lot of his romance is quest gated? So it wouldn't work as well as the others. I nearly finished Bull's romance (only missing one scene) without even going to the Western Approach.

 

Now i want to test if you go with Iron Bull or Sera, and then break it off, if you can start up with Blackwall, provided you never talked to him on the ramparts. Poor guy has just been standing out in the middle of the courtyard for days. The things I do for science.

 

Edit: Top? Have a Blackwall!

 

[vertigomez]

Does Blackwall have any race/background specific lines? I know there's the "you are who you choose to follow" line for Cadash, but I haven't heard of anything else, so I was just curious. Anything for mages, elves?

[riverbanks]

Does Blackwall have any race/background specific lines? I know there's the "you are who you choose to follow" line for Cadash, but I haven't heard of anything else, so I was just curious. Anything for mages, elves?

 

I've got the "you are who you choose to follow" line with every character I've played, regardless of race or romance status.

 

Bit weird how a Marcher human gets the same dialogue about the Grand Tourney, though, like she/he doesn't know about it.

[kalasaurus]

Does Blackwall have any race/background specific lines? I know there's the "you are who you choose to follow" line for Cadash, but I haven't heard of anything else, so I was just curious. Anything for mages, elves?

None on my elf mage (after he admits to expecting her to be human), though he does call her "Lady Lavellan" at one point which made me  .  Heh, he uses the name for all the backgrounds- I think that's a nice touch.

[vertigomez]

I've got the "you are who you choose to follow" line with every character I've played, regardless of race or romance status.
 
Bit weird how a Marcher human gets the same dialogue about the Grand Tourney, though, like she/he doesn't know about it.

Ahh, I must've been thinking about the Carta line just before that.

And yeah, there are definitely some weird inconsistencies when it comes to acknowledging the Inquisitor's background... like all that elvish lore/language Lavellan is woefully ignorant about...

None on my elf mage (after he admits to expecting her to be human), though he does call her "Lady Lavellan" at one point which made me  .  Heh, he uses the name for all the backgrounds- I think that's a nice touch.

Oooh, was that at the ball?

I remember the expecting-someone-human line, too. I think a dwarf can say something like they're just glad he didn't expect them to be taller, haha.

[kalasaurus]

Oooh, was that at the ball?

I remember the expecting-someone-human line, too. I think a dwarf can say something like they're just glad he didn't expect them to be taller, haha.

Yep .  "May I have this dance, Lady Lavellan?"

Me:     

 

And my Lavellan said she was glad he was upfront about expecting her to be human instead of calling her "knife ear"

[Gilsa]

@vertigomez -- The Carta stuff is just the starter conversation that leads to the "you are who you choose to follow" line, as you already know. The elves, humans, and qunari all share the standard "hey, thanks for having me join the Inquisition" version before the "choose to follow" line shows up. There is a line that only humans get in that screenshot right at the top linked by Sabreenei. I don't recall what he's responding to, but it's at the onset. Probably when the other three races get the "I thought you'd be ... " "Human?" exchange. I don't think there's anything else. I haven't seen it mentioned if so. No idea on mages.

 

Hey, look. Yeah, sure, dwarves get to have that Carta conversation, but we don't ever get to touch that magnificent beard of his during any of the in-game kisses. Not once.

 

*cries and eats Orlesian chocolate*

[BabyPuncher]

Blackwall. Bit of a disappointment.

 

I definitely liked him quite a bit earlier on. Rugged and tough but charismatic in his own way and very moral. My favorite behind Cassandra.

 

His mission comes along, and it looks promising. He's really the only companion I can think of in Inquisition is in genuine distress. He's very angry at himself, and he's ashamed.

 

And then it all just...fizzles out entirely. You pardon him, and things are back to normal. Nothing really meaningful gets said. It happened, and we all regret it, and blah blah blah, but...so what?

 

Nothing, really.

 

So that really knocked his character down a few pegs.

[Bugsie]

I'd agree that it does fizzle a bit after you pardon him.  There's not much exploration of it after, aside from a few convos (that you don't get if you don't have high enough approval and even if you do if you don't ask 'in the right way') But I would argue there is a lot of missing stuff in all the companion dialogues post personal quests and post end quest.  Maybe it's just the size of the game that makes a lot of post arc stuff feel so small and inadequate (ugh and banter bug) or maybe it's just inadequate full stop.

[AtreiyaN7]

@BP: In theory, you're supposed to be able to grill him (a bit) after the judgment and ask him some questions about himself, but there is a bug that has prevented most people from being able to do that. The only way to get the post-judgment questions (until they fix it) is to avoid asking him every single question about himself early on.

 

You have to leave at least one question about his background unasked (and I mean those personal questions about himself - you can ask him all the Grey Warden stuff). At any rate, I pretty much agree with bugsie that the critcism applies to all of the companions. Things just sort of end at a certain point, and while it would have been nice if they'd managed to stuff more into the game, it is what it is.

[Catwall]

I feel as though a lack of follow-through is pretty much a hallmark of Bioware LIs. It's an unpopular opinion, but there are times that I'd rather have the romance end (even end very badly) before the game's end than have a vague "happy ending" that feels more like, "We boned, now what?" But then again, I'm also a terrible person.

[kalasaurus]

At least Dragon Age approaches romances better than Mass Effect did... where it was basically one last "hoorah" before they could die

[Catwall]

At least Dragon Age approaches romances better than Mass Effect did... where it was basically one last "hoorah" before they could die

When you're right, you're right, lol.

[Rannah]

At least Dragon Age approaches romances better than Mass Effect did... where it was basically one last "hoorah" before they could die

 

Hehe, indeed . 

But I can understand this. Being soldiers, normally it is not allowed to fraternize. But if you think that tomorrow most possibly everybody will die, a good night together seems to be fair at least.

 

So far I am content with the romance possibilities in DA:I. I got used to dumping, death, mental issues of the LIs, so  I was clearly surprised that I could redeem Blackwall (first time I thought that I have to swing that great sword to give him death...brrr).

And Cullen's romance is just like a dream came true (on a white horse, of course). Too much happiness here...I am starting to think that Bioware has still something in the sleeves.

[alialias]

I am doing the Cullen romance right now and the Templar path. I like the content more in the Templar path which is interesting but I definitely cannon the Mage side.

The Cullen romance is very sweet but I really miss the Blackwall romance, having him in the party is huge and the repeatable kiss is the best. Cullen barely kisses you

[MrsHairyMcLummox]

http://angua33.devia...inier-507060994

 

 

 

http://angua33.devia...kwall-515763832

 

 

[wistful81]

http://angua33.devia...inier-507060994

 

 

 

 

http://angua33.devia...kwall-515763832

 

 

 

Yowzer, is it hot in here? 

 

I am doing the Cullen romance right now and the Templar path. I like the content more in the Templar path which is interesting but I definitely cannon the Mage side.

The Cullen romance is very sweet but I really miss the Blackwall romance, having him in the party is huge and the repeatable kiss is the best. Cullen barely kisses you

Honestly, I'm struggling through the Cullen romance. I've tried it twice now, and I just can't do it. It's just so blasted sweet and I feel slightly bored.

[AtreiyaN7]

*grabs Blackwall picture #2 and scampers off with it*

[Rosalee_TAL]

As an aside, boy am I loving all the fanfic I have been introduced to via this thread - the world needs more Blackwall fanfic! *whispers* and Samson - the fanfic you didn't know you needed

 

Random(ish) question for the fanfic writers (of which there are many talented ones amongst this thread ) - is Archive of Our Own the best site to use to upload your work? And could someone help a noob out with terminology - what's the difference between 'fluff' and 'drabble'? I of course know what smut is *dirty cackle*

[Bazylia]

@Rosalee:

Fluff is a cute and romantic fanfic. Drabble is a short fanfic, like e.g. 100/200 words.

Ao3 is on par with fanfiction.net for me, both have their better or worse solutions. Depends on what you like.
I'm not used to tags, so all the 'story properties' (characters, genre etc.) are easier manageable on ff.net. They also have the nice option to upload a cover for your fanfic.
AO3 has the options to show the entire fanfic on one site, which is nice, while on ff.net it's just chapter by chapter. Working with the text is easier, and Ao3 doesn't just eat up all the enters you might put between the paragraphs. Then again, it doesn't bother me on ff.net anymore.
And many more tiny nuances like that. And I think AO3 has more fandoms?...
What I don't like about AO3 is the kudos thing. I'd really rather get one constructive comment that a bunch of kudos - well, it's nice to know someone likes your work, but it's not really helping to level up. Bit easier to get comments on ff.net, but that's just personal experience.

Overall, AO3 has more options and seems easier, but I still prefer ff.net. I'd say try both and see which one you'll like better

 

*goes back into lurking mode*

[abnocte]

Jean Rostand said, "Kill one man, and you are a murderer. Kill millions, and you are a conqueror. Kill all, and you are a god." A popular dilution of this is "Kill a few people, and you're called a murderer. Kill countless people, and you're called a hero." There's a specificity to Blackwall's crimes. We can assign a number to the people who died as a result of his actions. And some of them were children, who we irrationally prefer to believe are only ever bystanders in the ugly games that are waged in the name of power.

 

Apathy decreases when exposed to details and easy-to-picture numbers. It's why charities use pictures of individual children in campaigns to combat hunger and tell you how many mouths will be fed by your donation. It's also one reason why Blackwall doesn't get a pass in the same way as say, Leliana or Zevran does. Their crimes may be equivalent (and they are certainly more numerous) but because the details are vague, we aren't so upset by them. JMO, of course.

 

I'm a little late but...

 

The version I know goes like this:

 

Kill one man and you are an assassin.

Kill ten men and you are a monster.

Kill a hundred and you are a hero.

Kill a thousand and you are a conqueror.

 

It's quite interesting to see how the perception of something as awful as taking another person's life changes based on the amount and the context. 

Back in the day it made me see characters like Alexander Magnus, Caesar, and other historical figures in quite a different light( I was a teenager, I didn't think too much about such things at the time ).

 

 

 

I have to say that I didn't have that much of a reaction when I learnt about Blackwall's past. Actually it made me remember something that happens in my all time favourite comic: Berserk by Kentarou Miura. 

 

In this comic the main character, Guts, is asked to assassinate none other than the King's brother. The one giving him the job is Griffith the leader of the mercenary band he is part of. Griffith ask this after someone tried to kill him during a hunting day with the King and finding some info that points toward the King's brother.

 

Guts sneaks into the castle and kills the man, but before he leaves someone spots him from the doorway. Without seeing the person in question Guts attacks... and when is sword has already gone through the person's chest he realizes that the person in question is none other that the son of the person he just killed. Guts is horrified by what he has done, the kid was no more than 12. Guts is distressed and almost gets caught. 

 

Meanwhile Griffith is at a ball back in the castle. Then the news about the murder of the King's brother and nephew reach the party and... Griffith makes this CREEPY.AS.HELL face, I mean pleased doesn't even cut it, it is almost a delighted face at the news that things are going according to his plans.

 

During this part of the series we see Griffith socially climb thanks to his war achievements and the removal of anyone opposing him in court without a hint pointing towards him. 

 

As he later says: "This is war. There is no spectator seat on a battlefield"

 

I never thought Guts was a bad man because of that event, same with Blackwall. They just happen to live by the sword so when **** happens it gets really shitty, but we all mess up things at one point or another, such is life.

 

 

 

PD: Oops, what a rant!

[Catwall]

My quote was from an English translation of his 1938 book, "Thoughts of a Biologist," so it's not surprising that there are subtle differences, but the message is the same.

 

I like what you posted, abnocte: "This is war. There is no spectator seat on a battlefield."  Exactly. The Game (what a conceit) was never designed with the safety of bystanders in mind, you know? There are only players and pawns- a third category doesn't really exist, not to my mind.

[Bugsie]

As an aside, boy am I loving all the fanfic I have been introduced to via this thread - the world needs more Blackwall fanfic! *whispers* and Samson - the fanfic you didn't know you needed

Random(ish) question for the fanfic writers (of which there are many talented ones amongst this thread ) - is Archive of Our Own the best site to use to upload your work? And could someone help a noob out with terminology - what's the difference between 'fluff' and 'drabble'? I of course know what smut is *dirty cackle*

one of the big differences between Ff.net and Ao3 is that on Ao3 more explicit works are allowed. Ff.net has a pretty strict policy on that side of things, but of course a lot of stuff slips through the net (my own stuff included)

It's also easy to use tags if something like trigger warnings applied (although I wish people wouldn't use the tag function like a tumblr tag, that's slightly annoying)

I think the format for Ao3 is easier because it feels like a more fluid process for editing and uploading works (you know when you re read stuff and you've put their instead of there)

[Ashelsu]

I am doing the Cullen romance right now and the Templar path. I like the content more in the Templar path which is interesting but I definitely cannon the Mage side.

The Cullen romance is very sweet but I really miss the Blackwall romance, having him in the party is huge and the repeatable kiss is the best. Cullen barely kisses you

 

 

Honestly, I'm struggling through the Cullen romance. I've tried it twice now, and I just can't do it. It's just so blasted sweet and I feel slightly bored.

 

That doesn't sound good, poor boy. I aim at Cullen with my Trevelyan too this time (for the science!), but it's awkward. I had to kill a dragon to feel badass again. And some Tomb Raiding. I did not notice how creepy veil torch is.

Spoiler

Maybe now Bull will finally talk to me. I do my best to avoid Blackwall and Sera, but it's hard.