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Blackwall Discussion Thread -- The Resolve! [Voiced by Alastair Parker]


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Agreed with all that. I actually played my Cadash as an optimist who got along with everyone and was a bleeding heart for redemption, but there was just something so personal and touching about how Blackwall reacted to her that I didn't get from any of the other characters. My Adaar, who didn't romance him, still auto liked him for that.

On the other hand, my more pragmatic, controlled male dwarf found him too try hard and a little too quick to believe in something that was not necessarily worthy of it...found him sort of cringeworthy. he eventually came around to finding it kind of endearing, and then understood it a lot more after revelations. My Lav just thought he was creepy and annoying and was happy when he left.

It never ceases to fascinate me how on different PTs I'll see the exact same lines so very differently. :lol:
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I don't have the ability to play someone too different from me, so I miss a lot I guess. The fact is that if I choose answers like 'I'm the mighty Herald of Andraste, the Chosen One, kneel before me' and such I am the first to greatly disapprove myself :sick:  So when Blackwall greatly disapproves I can't help but agree with him  :D


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@Gilsa

Late to the party, but it was a great comment about Isabela. I had my doubts before the duel with the Arishok, but never after. :)

 

Solas reminds me Loki too. One should remember though that despite being all funny and charming, Loki still became the main force behind the Death of the Gods. Caution is recommended dealing with the Tricksters. :)

 

I can see Blackwall getting along with Hawke's siblings. Aveline... would probably go the same way as Cassandra.

Huh. A light bulb just went on over my head. I'm a huge Carver Hawke fan. I love him, even/especially when he's bratty. I don't know why. Maybe because it just seems so genuine, like he cares about Hawke too much to bother with manners. And then it occurred to me that a lot of the stuff that I like about Carver - sullen grumpiness and all - I like about Blackwall. I wouldn't say they're the same person. I mean, templar Carver would probably look down on Blackwall for the things he's done. But Warden Carver would probably understand. Every man has to find his own path, right?


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I don't have the ability to play someone too different from me, so I miss a lot I guess. The fact is that if I choose answers like 'I'm the mighty Herald of Andraste, the Chosen One, kneel before me' and such I am the first to greatly disapprove myself :sick: So when Blackwall greatly disapproves I can't help but agree with him :D

Haha! I agree too. :)

I'm the opposite. I actually couldn't play as someone like myself, there are rarely options that are what I would do. (No crying and running to Cass's bosom to sob hysterically while she makes disgusted noises, for example). So while I'm not opposed to self insert, I just can't do it! :lol: so I make up characters and play with them, it's less frustrating for me, hehe.
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I don't do self-inserts, since I usually try to pick the answer for the character I'm playing, but I get guilt like you're hurting their feelings when I  stray too far into RPing a character too unlike myself. It's silly guilt, since they're not real, but there it is. Sometimes when I make a choice too far from what I would do, in order to continue I have to save, play the nice choice to get the happiness in my brain, then go back to the other save. And some choices I just can't do at all. I'll play them to see the scene for myself, but I can't keep it. (aka making Alistair a drunk, killing Anders, giving Isabela to the Arishok, owning Blackwall at the trial... I'm such a wimp when it comes to my video game loves!)

 

A lot of my characters end up making similar choices to one another, but for different reasons and in different ways. So even the same response feels like it has a unique meaning. It's funny, because when writing I have no problem making characters that are completely different --- but when playing I'm never able to do it.


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Wonderful foreshadowing here.

 

Cassandra: "And how did you join the Wardens?"

Blackwall: "It's the usual story."
Cassandra: "There is no such thing as a 'usual story.'"

Blackwall: "A tavern? A chance meeting? A senior warden who saw worth in a worthless man? I'm not alone."
Cassandra: "There is more to this, you just don't want to tell it."
Blackwall: "No, you don't want to hear it."

 

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@Sabreenei -- I hear ya. Alistair's a drunk on my first playthrough only because of the way I viewed my Aeducan. She was going to be the commander of the dwarven army and their goal was to push back the darkspawn from the Deep Roads. Stuff happened. Duncan gave her the exact same job -- fight darkspawn, only on the surface. The whole time I was focused on the archdemon, defeating darkspawn, and the needs of the dwarven people who had to fight these things even when the Blights weren't happening. As a commander, being offered the expertise of a general was an opportunity I couldn't pass up. I wanted to hear more of what Riordan had to say. I thought that we'd also gain the army Loghain had at Ostagar in addition to the three treaties. I also thought I'd be able to reason with Alistair, having no clue that he was going to walk away for good after that. Once you start down that path, you're kind of trapped in the dialogue path and it's hard to back up or change a decision. I really thought Alistair would come back, but he didn't. That stung a lot. And then Morrigan -- at 100% friendship -- reveals ulterior motives and wouldn't give straight answers. I declined the ritual because the darkspawn dig in the Deep Roads looking for the Old Gods. I thought that all Old Gods had to go, period. Letting Morrigan have the soul was likely extending the struggle of the dwarven people. I decided no. She left, too. I was not happy about that at all. When the game ended, I took the CD out of my computer, thanked my husband for picking the game up for me and told him I had no interest in playing it again. I was mad for a week or so before I cooled off and decided to try again.

 

Even with metagaming knowledge, I just couldn't change my dark ritual decision because I was a dwarf player first and foremost. I couldn't plan my game around romances. So letting Alistair go off to be a drunk seemed to be the kinder move instead of letting him take the final blow for the archdemon. I head canoned that maybe Aeducan could find Alistair again and make amends, but I knew how unlikely that was to happen. However I was very pleased to see that drunk Alistair DID end up rejoining the Orlesian Wardens in DAI. He turned it around and all. Still. *cries*


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Cries with you Gilsa.

I have a hard time playing Alistair as anything other than a drunk tbh. Or at the very least, I can't make him King unless it's some kind of "imma be his puppetmaster" situation. His reaction if you spare Loghain is so heartbreaking and real in its selfishness and pain, and the potential for a real growth arc there, even if it's in one scene and 1 deleted codex entry...that kind of story is kypronite for me. going back to some King Alistair everything is fine now just doesn't do it for me. I may be a monster. :lol: i also, while adoring him, think my entire view of him was colored by seeing that the first PT and don't hold him in such regard as others do. Great character, yes. My sweet baby, yes. But also often mean spirited, desperately insecure, and self obsessed.
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My first playthroughs in retrospect, feel like I'm blundering through the story arms flailing and 'I have no idea what I'm doing here' kind of thoughts. It's generally pretty amusing to look back, but it always feels like the most honest playthrough. Endearing, stupid, laugh out loud moments and multiple facepalms. Much like my life in general.
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I can totally see that. First playthroughs really affect how you ultimately view a character, since that was your first impression of them. I love a first playthrough, especially unspoiled. You're just bumbling about and have no meta knowledge, and things are so fresh and real. I think that's why it really makes an impression.

 

I just happened to fall into a good Alistair on my first playthrough. I started out as a Cousland, seeking revenge for my family. I cared about the darkspawn, because I cared about Ferelden and I played a person with strong country ties. Since Howe & Loghain were working together, there was no way she would spare either of them. She had enough persuasion at the beginning to talk to Loghain in camp, in Ostagar. So after that conversation, when he knowingly left her there and took in Howe, knowing what he'd done to her family... no.  Plus, she wanted a strong Ferelden, and to do that she didn't want any divisiveness among the nobility. I accidentally hardened Alistair that first game too (didn't know it was a thing), so he was ready to take the throne, and rule together. (edit: I did however, write a story based on drunk Alistair, that is still one of my favorites, though I never completely finished it. The storyline of him leaving does have great potential... but only if I can be in charge of guiding it! lol)

 

In subsequent playthroughs things were different, of course. Especially in my dwarven & city elf games!

 

DAO was the first video game I'd ever played that had cutscene romances like this, and Alistair the first video game character I ever fell for, at a time when I was getting out of an 8 yr relationship... so I'm sure that colored my view, too!


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Loghain in game as is was never enough for me to spare him. The betrayal always felt so personal. I needed the Stolen Throne to assure me he was worth saving, and it made me look differently at him in game too.

Loghain warden, hardened Alistair on the throne is my next world state for my pro circle/ Templar run. I'm trying to decide what to do with Blackwall, I might have to be a bit mean to him to Rp this current inquisitor.
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Make him so mad he leaves! Or turn him over to the wardens at Adamant. :lol: I haven't done the latter one yet, but I really enjoyed having a Quizzie he just freaking hated. 


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Yeah that's my first two thoughts, Veeia! I'll be exiling the wardens this time, so if he doesn't leave before then I'll definitely be doing that.

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I am thinking of doing a male human guardian play through. Is it bad that I am thinking of naming the character Blondewall? He will kind of look like Blackwall. Only, he is snarky, likes to ask stupid question, and on Wednesday wears pink.


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It's not bad, it's amazing and perfect. I mean half my characters have ridiculous/joke names so I am biased but still. Let Blondewall live!! And def post pics. :lol:

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Cries with you Gilsa.

I have a hard time playing Alistair as anything other than a drunk tbh. Or at the very least, I can't make him King unless it's some kind of "imma be his puppetmaster" situation. His reaction if you spare Loghain is so heartbreaking and real in its selfishness and pain, and the potential for a real growth arc there, even if it's in one scene and 1 deleted codex entry...that kind of story is kypronite for me. going back to some King Alistair everything is fine now just doesn't do it for me. I may be a monster. :lol: i also, while adoring him, think my entire view of him was colored by seeing that the first PT and don't hold him in such regard as others do. Great character, yes. My sweet baby, yes. But also often mean spirited, desperately insecure, and self obsessed.

Personally I don't like putting him on the throne simply because he doesn't want it. I know he looks happy enough as a king in DA2/I - though we have like zero insight on his actual emotional state - and he ends up being good at it, the good of Ferelden > his personal feelings etc, but Anora has proven herself to be a competent queen, so it's not liike Ferelden is going to burst into flames if anyone other than Alistair is crowned. He always remains with the Wardens in my PTs. Even though he looks like he's seen some sh*t in DAI, he just looks like he belongs with the Wardens. Somehow he just doesn't feel like himself if he's king (again, my opinion). I exiled him once, for science, then reloaded because Loghain's excuses for the crap he's done made me want to bang my (or his) head against the wall. While the Landsmeet scene was heartbreaking, I agree that this outcome has potential for a great character arc. It's such a shame that drunk!Alistair was neglected in DAI - the things they could do with his character! Did he start over after Teagan dragged him out of the Hanged Man? Did he remain a pathetic drunk? Did he sink even lower? Did he return to the Wardens? Does he blame the Hero of Ferelden for everything? Instead all we can do is assume that he was maybeprobably with Teagan when Alexius took Redcliffe. To be honest, exiling Alistair would be my favourite option if his arc in this world state had any resolution. Specifically, if there was a chance that he could go back to the Wardens and reconcile with the romanced HoF  :whistle: Speaking of which - does anyone know any good fics about the exiled Alistair getting back together with the romanced Warden? This is probably not the place for this, but if anyone knows any, feel free to PM me pleasethankyou  :ph34r:

 

But anyway, back to the hero of the thread - is it just me or does Blackwall say different things about the Inquisition depending on which advisor was used the most for the war table missions? When I asked him about his thoughts on the Inquisition on my first PT, he said something like "this Inq-n is everyone's best friend" and I'm pretty sure Josephine did most of the operations. On my second playthrough I used Cullen the most and Blackwall said "You could shake this world to its foundations if you willed it". It's not a big deal, but now this post is at least a little bit more on topic. 

 

A weird thing - I just entered the game to see what exactly does he have to say about my Inq-n and suddenly he started doing squats, like Varric  :blink: Maybe he's been like that all along, but it's the first time I've seen him doing it. Though in his case it looked more like a curtsy  :D

 

To make this post even more on topic, I'll just leave these here - that's during his judgement if the romanced quizzy told him she never loved him. 

 

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It's not bad, it's amazing and perfect. I mean half my characters have ridiculous/joke names so I am biased but still. Let Blondewall live!! And def post pics. :lol:

He's Alive! He's Alive! HaHaHa HaHa!

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Now, how do I take a screen shot on the Xbox One?


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It's such a shame that drunk!Alistair was neglected in DAI - the things they could do with his character! Did he start over after Teagan dragged him out of the Hanged Man? Did he remain a pathetic drunk? Did he sink even lower? Did he return to the Wardens? Does he blame the Hero of Ferelden for everything? Instead all we can do is assume that he was maybeprobably with Teagan when Alexius took Redcliffe. To be honest, exiling Alistair would be my favourite option if his arc in this world state had any resolution. Specifically, if there was a chance that he could go back to the Wardens and reconcile with the romanced HoF  :whistle: Speaking of witch - does anyone know any good fics about the exiled Alistair getting back together with the romanced Warden? This is probably not the place for this, but if anyone knows any, feel free to PM me pleasethankyou  :ph34r:

 

I had to dig through all my tumblr hearts to find this post because it's relevant to your questions. Here are the codex entries on all versions of Alistair in DAI, including the drunk Alistair. My guess is that they're bugged and another one of the many things that are not showing up properly in the game.

 

http://kinlochhold.t...-da-i-talktable


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He's Alive! He's Alive! HaHaHa HaHa!

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Now, how do I take a screen shot on the Xbox One?

 

The question is when? They told us it would happen in the beginning of 2015, I have recently made a gorgeous qunari lady and the world is missing something great :P

 

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Alistair: I can't even think of hurting him in any way, he's such a precious one and in my first playthrough he devastated me with that rose tumblr_ljq6ir2AzN1qd588c.gif

 

That said, after reading TST I simply couldn't let him kill Loghain, such a great hero deserved to live, or at least to die a hero killing the Archdemon. The only solution I found was hardening Alistair and make him an angry king married to Anora. He'll hate my warden forever but he'll be happy, and Loghain does not die a traitor (and there's a mod to romance him... ahem)...


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I am thinking of doing a male human guardian play through. Is it bad that I am thinking of naming the character Blondewall? He will kind of look like Blackwall. Only, he is snarky, likes to ask stupid question, and on Wednesday wears pink.

Not bad, but you are missing a golden opportunity: name him Cornwall! *runs away*


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O_O

 

wait, they did it? 



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Not bad, but you are missing a golden opportunity: name him Cornwall! *runs away*

WHY!! :crying: :crying:

Okay. Put yourself together.

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O_O

 

wait, they did it? 

It was in this months update.Tap the Xbox button twice then press Y to take the pic. Then, all you have to do is upload it to twitter. I'm so happy I didn't delete my twitter that I never use.   


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WHY!! :crying: :crying:

Okay. Put yourself together.

*snip*

It was in this months update.Tap the Xbox button twice then press Y to take the pic. Then, all you have to do is upload it to twitter. I'm so happy I didn't delete my twitter that I never use.   

:mellow: I didn't mean to upset you. I just though corn is yellow and the pun with Cornwall in England and... I'll shut up now. I'll go in the corner.

 

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:mellow: I didn't mean to upset you. I just though corn is yellow and the pun with Cornwall in England and... I'll shut up now. I'll go in the corner.

 

 

No it is my bad. I am just kicking myself for not thinking of it first. Really, Blondewall? What was I thinking? I was better off naming him Goldywall, and taking screenshots of him being attacked by bears.


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YAY! :D

 

Thank you so much, your Buttercupwall is gorgeous anyway ;D