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Brass_Buckles

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"Playersexual" basically means, whatever race or gender the player's character is, the romanceable character finds the player character attractive and can be romanced.

 

I'm in favor of having all future romanceable characters be playersexual, and I hope I'm not opening up a can of worms here.

 

It's not realistic and maybe not even ideal (ideal might be two straight, two bisexual, and two homosexual romances with an even split between male and female), but as I said in another thread, it is fair--both sexes get an equal number of romances for straight, bisexual, and homosexual preferences that way.

 

I know that when this was done in DA2 with all "true" romances, there was some backlash.  And, at the time I somewhat agreed, because your gender preference is part of who you are, and shouldn't it be the same for characters, too?  Except, thinking about it, whatever their gender preference, they're the same character.  And you're also suddenly limiting people's options because only X amount of characters will be made who can be romanced.  So maybe you have a straight woman, a straight man, a bisexual man and woman, and a gay man and lesbian woman.  That's two extra characters.  Or, someone might just be left out entirely, or not get as many options (straight women who played Mass Effect 3 as straight female Shepard, here's to you and your total of ONE option left, if you didn't hook up with a certain turian during ME2).

 

So making everyone who can be romanced "playersexual," makes sense from an equal treatment standpoint, and I support it.  Does that mean that the playersexual character is necessarily bisexual?  Depends on how you want to look at it.  Maybe in your particular playthrough they are actually straight or gay or pansexual--it only depends how you perceive them.  Point being, they're the same character in all other respects regardless of who chooses to romance them (if anyone), and only their gender preference changes depending whether you play as male or female.  They're characters; if they flirt with anyone else, it's going to be at least in part because of your actions as the player.  And after thinking about it, I really don't get why that makes people angry, as long as they don't do like Zevran when he was romanced by a male (i.e. stating he prefers the opposite gender, actually, but you'll do just fine because he's not picky).

 

The one thing I will argue if "playersexuality" is used in the future is that "flirting" should be a separate option, in this case, from the "nice" or "friendly" or "sensitive" option--whatever you want to call it, so that people won't complain that they accidentally romanced someone of the wrong gender, etc.

 

I'm curious if anyone agrees with me, or if you have compelling arguments against the idea of romances being "playersexual."  But please, keep it civil.

 

Mods/devs:  If this thread needs to be part of the "romances" thread instead of its own, please feel free to move it there.  But this is something I feel needs to be discussed.


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Not sure if sarcasm considered to be civil, but that's where this thread is headed, just like every other threads, before a lockdown. While I would like to romance whoever I want, I wouldn't mind sexual orientation being added to it as long as the options are fair to everyone, I guess. 



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I'm all for players getting a fair option, I just feel that we as the players shouldn't be allowed to determine a characters sexual orientation

 

And that's all I'm saying on this topic


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I think people should spend less time obsessing over this optional content that forms a small part of the actual game.

Not that anyone will, of course. Anyone want to bet how far this thread gets before it's locked? I'll put seven hundred quatloos on Page 16.
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~shrug~ It is what is is. Bioware has taken its stance on the issue of equality and they seem willing to pay the toll of contrivance. It's a stance I can both appreciate and respect. I don't feel like characterization suffers terribly because of this but I suppose I can see why some might think so.



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I'm all for players getting a fair option, I just feel that we as the players shouldn't be allowed to determine a characters sexual orientation

 

And that's all I'm saying on this topic

 

That does make sense, but then when a character is "playersexual," the player doesn't actually determine the sexuality, the developers did.  And they decided that you can romance this character, and it doesn't matter who you are when you do so.

 

Why is it that it's a problem that you, the player, get to determine the sexuality of the romanceable characters, when those same characters would already romance you in DA:O regardless of what race you were?  Aren't they really the same arguments?  Because the player's also determining what that love interest finds physically attractive, even if the romance character has a set gender preference that isn't playersexual.


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Let's see what Robert Downey Jr has to say about the issue.

 

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Thanks, Robert.


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Playersexual is the best option possible. The charcters are not gay,lesbian straight etc... but are made to be romancable with your character.

 

For example we know for a fact that Isabelia is bisexual however not the other characters.

 

When you make a male Hawke, Anders and Fenris are gay and Merril is straight. Opposite is true if you make a female Hawke. Not all the characters are bisexual.


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That does make sense, but then when a character is "playersexual," the player doesn't actually determine the sexuality, the developers did.  And they decided that you can romance this character, and it doesn't matter who you are when you do so.

 

Why is it that it's a problem that you, the player, get to determine the sexuality of the romanceable characters, when those same characters would already romance you in DA:O regardless of what race you were?  Aren't they really the same arguments?  Because the player's also determining what that love interest finds physically attractive, even if the romance character has a set gender preference that isn't playersexual.

 

For me, I prefer characters to have a preference. It makes them feel more alive to me


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Playersexual is the best option possible. The charcters are not gay,lesbian straight etc... but are made to be romancable with your character.

Especially when the conversations are different depending on whether you are romancing them as a male character or a female one (as they did in DA2).
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Especially when the conversations are different depending on whether you are romancing them as a male character or a female one (as they did in DA2).

Agreed. 



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What would be wrong with racial restrictions like say the Qunari PC being locked out of certain romances or the Qunari companion only being an option for a Qunari PC?



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What would be wrong with racial restrictions like say the Qunari PC being locked out of certain romances

The fact that the 'Quisitor is just too cuddlybear to resist. :wub:



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What would be wrong with racial restrictions like say the Qunari PC being locked out of certain romances or the Qunari companion only being an option for a Qunari PC?

 

It would make sense in context, but it wouldn't be fair to the playerbase.  It would have also made sense for Dwarven Warden in DAO not to be able to romance Zevran or Alistair; they could have had any reason to refuse you, or you to not be interested in them--but you could, in fact, romance them as a dwarf.

 

Yes, having a unique preference makes characters more unique and I appreciate that.  I understand it, and I can't really disagree with it.  I didn't make this thread to troll anyone.  In an ideal world, the budget would be so huge that straight, gay, and bi players would all have an equal number of choices of their specific preference--at least six total romances, maybe more.  In reality, we hardly ever get more than four total options, and there's a reason for that.  It takes resources to add romance, and romance isn't a main aspect of the games.

 

Again, I point out that literally nothing changes about any character other than their gender preference, depending on your playthrough.  I kind of like that, because it also prevents characters from being stereotyped based on their particular preferences.

 

I made this thread because after I thought about it, I realized that making all characters playersexual is literally the only way to be fair, without putting undue resources into the romance plotlines, which are an otherwise relatively small part of the game.  And I feel I should support Bioware in their decision to do things this way.


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Again, I point out that literally nothing changes about any character other than their gender preference, depending on your playthrough.  I kind of like that, because it also prevents characters from being stereotyped based on their particular preferences.

 

Can you give context on this part?



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Can you give context on this part?

 

What I mean is you don't necessarily have effeminate gay men or manly lesbian women or ultra-feminine straight women or uber-manly men or promiscuous bisexuals.  Yes, those sorts of people exist in the real world, but they can definitely be harmful stereotypes in media since you're basically making a huge generalization.  When you write the character first, they are who they are, whoever they find attractive.  That's much better than basing their character around a stereotyped preconception of a personality type for their particular gender preference (straight, gay, bi).



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The only thing i would not like on the side of  "playersexual" romances is if all romanceable companions openly flirted with either gender without engaging in it yourself. Im not huge on wanting realism but straightforward flirting is a bit much, for example, im straight and lets say the iron bull openly flirted with me without provocation, not only was it uncalled for but it was unwanted, thats not something that usually happens in reality when it comes to same sex flirtatious interaction and it should follow that aspect of reality unless being flamboyant is part of their personality (ex:Zevran) 

 

Hope i worded that correctly to not offend anyone 



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The only thing i would not like on the side of  "playersexual" romances is if all romanceable companions openly flirted with either gender without engaging in it yourself. Im not huge on wanting realism but straightforward flirting is a bit much, for example, im straight and lets say the iron bull openly flirted with me without provocation, not only was it uncalled for but it was unwanted, thats not something that usually happens in reality when it comes to same sex flirtatious interaction and it should follow that aspect of reality unless being flamboyant is part of their personality (ex:Zevran) 

 

Hope i worded that correctly to not offend anyone 

 

Well, as I said before, I think that a big problem in the past was that you couldn't be nice to everyone without also flirting with them--same goes for Mass Effect.  Flirting needs to be a separate part of the dialogue wheel, or something, so you can be nice without being flirty.  And auto-flirting for anyone who isn't a very flirty character anyway (i.e. Isabella, Zevran) should be out of the question.  Somehow I doubt that will be an issue with the Iron Bull.


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The only thing i would not like on the side of  "playersexual" romances is if all romanceable companions openly flirted with either gender without engaging in it yourself. Im not huge on wanting realism but straightforward flirting is a bit much, for example, im straight and lets say the iron bull openly flirted with me without provocation, not only was it uncalled for but it was unwanted, thats not something that usually happens in reality when it comes to same sex flirtatious interaction and it should follow that aspect of reality unless being flamboyant is part of their personality (ex:Zevran) 

 

Hope i worded that correctly to not offend anyone 

Yeah, I would hate another Anders situation where after the Karl situation he hits on you. 



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What I mean is you don't necessarily have effeminate gay men or manly lesbian women or ultra-feminine straight women or uber-manly men or promiscuous bisexuals.  Yes, those sorts of people exist in the real world, but they can definitely be harmful stereotypes in media since you're basically making a huge generalization.  When you write the character first, they are who they are, whoever they find attractive.  That's much better than basing their character around a stereotyped preconception of a personality type for their particular gender preference (straight, gay, bi).

 

I can understand that, but that's not entirely a bad thing if it's done properly

 

Because I would like to see characters display that they have a preference 



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I'm all for 'playersexual' LIs. I do not want to be gated from content because I chose to play a gay male, or a lesbian, or something. Being stuck with one romance option.... again... *insert Sten "NO" meme here*

And playersexual LIs ups my chances of having a femqunari romance Cassandra or Vivienne :wub:  (if they're LIs)

 

The only thing i would not like on the side of  "playersexual" romances is if all romanceable companions openly flirted with either gender without engaging in it yourself. Im not huge on wanting realism but straightforward flirting is a bit much, for example, im straight and lets say the iron bull openly flirted with me without provocation, not only was it uncalled for but it was unwanted, thats not something that usually happens in reality when it comes to same sex flirtatious interaction and it should follow that aspect of reality unless being flamboyant is part of their personality (ex:Zevran) 

 

Hope i worded that correctly to not offend anyone 

So you just don't want gay guys to flirt with you because it'll make you uncomfortable...? *sigh* 

I mean it's your preference and all, but I never hear anyone complain about f/f flirts. Of course.

Not trying to be rude or confrontational; just irks me a bit I guess. I also shouldn't be posting at 2AM... Probably horribly misread your post


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I can understand that, but that's not entirely a bad thing if it's done properly

 

Because I would like to see characters display that they have a preference 

So what if perhaps if you played a male, the characters would hint that they like males while if you play female the like female without it coming across as they like both or you are an exception?



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So you just don't want gay guys to flirt with you because it'll make you uncomfortable...? *sigh* 

I mean it's your preference and all, but I never hear anyone complain about f/f flirts. Of course.

Not trying to be rude or confrontational; just irks me a bit I guess. I also shouldn't be posting at 2AM... Probably horribly misread your post

I felt just as uncomfortable when Isabela told me to look her up in the Hanged Man later as I did when Anders started flirting with me, and both applied for both genders.


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I can understand that, but that's not entirely a bad thing if it's done properly

 

Because I would like to see characters display that they have a preference 

 

They can be done right, but when they aren't done right, they're done horribly and offend a lot of people.  I'm not gay or bi, but I can hazard a guess that the stereotypical gay or bi people aren't usually done right--anyone gay or bi who'd like to answer yea or nay to that?

 

And as a straight woman I can quite simply tell you that not every woman is hyperfeminine; I am certainly not, even though I do like a lot of feminine things.

 

Stereotypes are usually a lazy way to go in the first place.  There are better ways to depict, for instance, what gender someone finds attractive.  Or do you just hope to have an easier way to know who to pursue or avoid?  In that case, I really have no answer for you, because you and I are going to disagree heavily on a lot of things.  I'd rather have interesting, varied characters who are characterized as people first and foremost, than a group of varied stereotypes who exist solely so that I the player know who they are right off the bat.



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So what if perhaps if you played a male, the characters would hint that they like males while if you play female the like female without it coming across as they like both or you are an exception?

 

that sounds like they are the exception

 

Take Cullen from DAO, if you play Female Mage Warden he shows that he has an interest in her but if you play the Male Mage he doesn't. To me that feels like displaying a preference


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