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[razmatazz]

I don't think Leliana was oggling Morrigan in the way you are thinking.

 

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=C_FvDQ2IX30 (the banter in action) <- Leliana's tone of voice and Morrigan's exact words suggests otherwise .

[Banxey]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=C_FvDQ2IX30 (the banter in action) <- Leliana's tone of voice and Morrigan's exact words suggests otherwise .

 

I actually listened to it again before I posted because I didn't remember it that way and wanted to be sure. I suppose it's a matter of perspective? I realise Morrigan is uncomfortable and might take it as flirting. But if the core argument is that it couldn't exist if Leliana's sexuality wasn't defined, Morrigan could have easily been put off by any attention she gets from Lelianna because she dislikes her.

[jncicesp]

Where did you get that bolded part from? Because nobody made that impression. You're right gender shouldn't be the deciding factor, but it should still be a factor imho

 

And isn't making it not matter just about the same as cutting it out

 

If its a factor at all its a deciding one. they even do a pretty good job of pushing certain romances on you because of gender. the pushiest one in 2 was Anders and that wasnt nearly as pushy as Morrigan's and Alistair's. 

 

If they made everyone have equal options it would seem like they're throwing sexualities on characters just because they need them to be something. Any option not being locked away by gender feels better than looking around and noticing why they made who straight or gay.

 

About the same as cutting it out? Sure. I don't like the idea of gender being a game defining thing. less differences between them the better.

[mopotter]

Not a fan,  I am on the camp that likes to have some NPC's unavailable for one reason or another. 

 

Sex is the easiest but it could be personality, one is templar and hates mages or vice versa or one is a "good, knightly kind and won't get involved with someone who is a bit on the bad side, with an opposite option for the less savory types.  Anything to make the NPC's their own character and not just a group of main character worshipers. 

 

I actually liked that Zev could betray you if you didn't have the affection you needed.  I had 3 games just with these.  One I killed him right away, one he betrayed me and a few where he was my LI.

[Lady Nuggins]

That would probably be too expensive. BioWare has already stated they have a word budget, and from what I gather it seems to be too restrictive to allow that many romances.  It's why 'playersexuality' exists in the first place.

 

Yeah, and at the end of the day, I would much rather they focus their resources on making a few really good romances that are interesting and well-written with fully-developed characters than on ten romances that are shallow and rushed but limited to one sexual orientation.

[Mes]

Wow this thread moves fast. Well just to add my two cents - I don't mind if the characters are playersexual OR have a set sexuality. As long as a ) I have (good) options and b ) there is dialogue that shows me the characters differentiate between male and female PCs in some way, just so I can have a slightly different experience if I change genders and romance the same person.

 

Actually if I can add another point, c )... Please, pleaaaaase don't have any of the male LIs talk on and on about their past loves. I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) that DA had this problem, but ME definitely did.

 

Kaidan - "There was this girl that I was crazy about in camp and things happened"

Garrus - "I had reach and she was bendy and we had great sexy times"

That lizard guy - "I have vivid memories of my beloved dead wife"

Steve - "I'm so sad all the time about the death of my one true love"

 

Just... UGH. It's a pet peeve of mine for sure. Kinda kills the mood.

[AresKeith]

At the end of the day threads like this goes nowhere because everything is just on people's personal preference and opinion on how they feel romance should go

 

I would just rather have character have a set sexuality that's already apart of them, because it makes them feel more alive as people imho and that players shouldn't have that kind of power over the characters

[oceanicsurvivor]

http://www.youtube.c...h?v=C_FvDQ2IX30 (the banter in action) <- Leliana's tone of voice and Morrigan's exact words suggests otherwise .

I never got that vibe at all. There are lots of women who feel it is there place to tell other women how to look better/fancier etc. And with Leliana being from Orlais and the fact that you have whole conversations with her about shoes and hair etc, well, it just seems like Leliana likes fashion and thinks Morrigan could be very conventionally beautiful if she would 'just try'. It never struck me remotely as Leliana expressing and interest in Morrigan. (if she had said something about Morrigans eyelashes however... )

[n2nw]

Wouldn't people whine about bi PC's having more options then everyone else?

Um, I'm a straight female and I still consider that I have as many options as anyone else.  Just because I choose not to pursue those options doesn't make them any less of an option.

 

 

Wow this thread moves fast. Well just to add my two cents - I don't mind if the characters are playersexual OR have a set sexuality. As long as a ) I have (good) options and b ) there is dialogue that shows me the characters differentiate between male and female PCs in some way, just so I can have a slightly different experience if I change genders and romance the same person.

 

Actually if I can add another point, c )... Please, pleaaaaase don't have any of the male LIs talk on and on about their past loves. I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) that DA had this problem, but ME definitely did.

 

Kaidan - "There was this girl that I was crazy about in camp and things happened"

Garrus - "I had reach and she was bendy and we had great sexy times"

That lizard guy - "I have vivid memories of my beloved dead wife"

Steve - "I'm so sad all the time about the death of my one true love"

 

Just... UGH. It's a pet peeve of mine for sure. Kinda kills the mood.

If I could like this 50 times, I would.  I'm SO tired of hearing about the guys past sex lives/loves.  Instead of all that wasted time, let me tell them some things about MY life and have them actually care.  We need more tender moments and ones that have substance - the DA2 Mother thing was not enough substance for me, though I appreciated that it was in there at all.  Let them care about what happens to me instead of going down memory lane with their past flings.

[sandalisthemaker]

The only thing that ultimately matters is how BioWare feels concerning this topic.  Equality and fairness is what they are striving for in Inquisition. Whether that means a repeat of the DA2 formula, or an equal number of sexualities, I know I will be satisfied with the way the romances are handled regarding character sexuality.

 

Kudos to you BioWare. Keep being mah'velous and fabulous.

[Thrillian]

So from what I've read, the main opposition to "player-sexual" LI's is that it somehow diminishes or takes away from said companion's personality?

 

(It doesn't by the way.  None of the characters personalities change whatsoever in DA2, no matter what gender you play as)

 

Anyway, that being said, I have the perfect solution to that so-called problem:  of the four LI's. make two gay, two bi.  Problem solved, set sexualities.

[Stelae]

 

 

Actually if I can add another point, c )... Please, pleaaaaase don't have any of the male LIs talk on and on about their past loves. I don't think (correct me if I'm wrong) that DA had this problem, but ME definitely did.

 

Kaidan - "There was this girl that I was crazy about in camp and things happened"

Garrus - "I had reach and she was bendy and we had great sexy times"

That lizard guy - "I have vivid memories of my beloved dead wife"

Steve - "I'm so sad all the time about the death of my one true love"

 

Just... UGH. It's a pet peeve of mine for sure. Kinda kills the mood.

 

Oh heck yes, so much this.  Onasi syndrome, we used to call it; I think some still call it Carth syndrome.  Mind you, I think technically your LIs partner has to be dead for that (hmmm .... does Anders count?)

 

And, while we're making requests, enough with the "oh, I am so emotionally broken; fix me and put up with my nonsense .. " schtick.  Fenris and Anders drove me, DROVE ME I say, into the lusty, fun loving arms of Isabella!  I like a good het romance as much as the next girl (that is to say, some of but not all of the time), but I don't want to be someone's mother-confessor.  Or their nurse. 

[Mes]

And, while we're making requests, enough with the "oh, I am so emotionally broken; fix me and put up with my nonsense .. " schtick.  Fenris and Anders drove me, DROVE ME I say, into the lusty, fun loving arms of Isabella!  I like a good het romance as much as the next girl (that is to say, some of but not all of the time), but I don't want to be someone's mother-confessor.  Or their nurse. 

 

Yes! While I did like Anders, I'm grrrr frustrated because I feel like the female romances are just way better! Why do the males have to give the PC a harder time??

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Oh heck yes, so much this.  Onasi syndrome, we used to call it; I think some still call it Carth syndrome.  Mind you, I think technically your LIs partner has to be dead for that (hmmm .... does Anders count?)

 

And, while we're making requests, enough with the "oh, I am so emotionally broken; fix me and put up with my nonsense .. " schtick.  Fenris and Anders drove me, DROVE ME I say, into the lusty, fun loving arms of Isabella!  I like a good het romance as much as the next girl (that is to say, some of but not all of the time), but I don't want to be someone's mother-confessor.  Or their nurse. 

But.. but... I like being the one who fixes them! 

I may be like the only person who likes the hot-guy-with-tortured-past cliche on these forums >.>

[Thrillian]

But.. but... I like being the one who fixes them! 

I may be like the only person who likes the hot-guy-with-tortured-past cliche on these forums >.>

 

Nah, I can't not romance Fenris,  so I obviously love the hot-guy-with-tortured-past cliche as well.  ALthough, I can't stand Anders... so maybe with Fenris it's the voice? Well, it's partly the voice and partly the passion, especially with a rivalmance.

[WildOrchid]

And, while we're making requests, enough with the "oh, I am so emotionally broken; fix me and put up with my nonsense .. " schtick.  Fenris and Anders drove me, DROVE ME I say, into the lusty, fun loving arms of Isabella!

 

You did the right choice.

[Stelae]

You did the right choice.

She's lovely, isn't she?  If Captains Jack Harkness and Sparrow had a daughter ....

 

Now there's a thought ... I'll be in my bunk ...

[TurretSyndrome]

I agree that if a character is gay or straight then people need to deal with that and it would be ideal if we could have gay, straight and bi companions.

 

Sam was forbidden fruit to your straight maleshep but imagine if you wanted to romance someone and the only other choice you had as straight maleshep was a character you weren't interested  in.  

 

As straight maleshep you had the most romance options in Mass Effect so to say you weren't bothered by Sam being gay is fine but you had other choices. In DA:O all anyone who wanted to have lesbian relationship had was Leliana, there were no other choices.

 

This is very different to the Samantha situation because if you wanted to romance her and couldn't you still had; Ashley, Liara and Tali to choose from.

 

Romances are not part of the main focus in Bioware games and nor should they be. If the DA:I Team went the ME:3 route and allowed you romance non party members then I would love their to be gay and straight characters who I could only romance while playing a certain gender. But if they stick with their trend from the other DA games and have 4 party members as romances then the fairest thing to do is to have them playersexual

 

You are making me repeat myself on the matter of number of available preferred romance options. If I would be in your boots when I play DA:I and I see there's only one LI of my preferred taste and I see you have 2 or 3 of them, you know what? I won't complain. Because I know that people from LGBT having been having fewer LI options than me in the previous games.

 

And if I do happen to complain about it(this is a hypothetical situation, in reality I really won't care that I have only one LI that I  prefer in the game so please bear that in mind), I would like Bioware to tell me something like "too bad, better luck next game", rather than sacrificing character quality by making all companions playersexual.

 

I think it's fair to want to have more or equal number of options for LI of your sexual preference, especially when you haven't had more than one LI of your sexuality in the previous games. If you make a thread about it, I would even advocate for more LI for your group on that thread, because in the end that still preserves character quality.

 

I played ME series a while back so I don't remember the specifics like each romanciable character's sexual orientation, but as far as Dragon Age is concerned, it was only unfair to you in Origins(I'm assuming you're gay or lesbian, forgive me if not). With that said, if DA: I will have characters with set sexualities like in Origins, then I wouldn't mind if there was only one preferred LI for me and two for you. In fact, I'd be happy for you, and stay happy myself since there are no player sexual characters that would otherwise break my immersion and reduce the overall quality of the game. Game quality is the most important to me, and I'd rather see developers preserve that, than menial things like which sexuality group got the most preferred LI and try to solve that problem. 

[Lebanese Dude]

Screw equality and fairness. I need my fantasy worlds to reflect the real-world distribution of sexuality, which is unknown. Gays get enough special treatment as it is. They took our rainbows and fruity cocktails and now they're invading our video games. Enough is enough! I say we drive them back into the sea from whence they came!

 

Oh dear it's another one who thinks "cruising" means going on a boat

[AresKeith]

Screw equality and fairness. I need my fantasy worlds to reflect the real-world distribution of sexuality, which is unknown. Gays get enough special treatment as it is. They took our rainbows and fruity cocktails and now they're invading our video games. Enough is enough! I say we drive them back into the sea from whence they came!

 

See comments like this are why these threads always go bad, because not one person in thread made any statement like this

[Mockingword]

See comments like this are why these threads always go bad, because not one person in thread made any statement like this

But you're thinking it! I can tell you're a right-minded young man, have courage! Speak the truth that you feel in the depths of your soul.

[WildOrchid]

A little sass is needed sometimes.

[razmatazz]

So from what I've read, the main opposition to "player-sexual" LI's is that it somehow diminishes or takes away from said companion's personality?

 

(It doesn't by the way.  None of the characters personalities change whatsoever in DA2, no matter what gender you play as)

 

No, the real problem is they don't feel like complete, fully realized characters, because a part of their personality has been reduced to a gameplay mechanic.  Knowing this as the player, it hurts my immersion in their part of the story.

[AresKeith]

A little sass is needed sometimes.

 

No *meme*

[Stelae]

Screw equality and fairness. I need my fantasy worlds to reflect the real-world distribution of sexuality, which is unknown. Gays get enough special treatment as it is. They took our rainbows and fruity cocktails and now they're invading our video games. Enough is enough! I say we drive them back into the sea from whence they came!

Wait, so, all the gays are mermaids?

 

Or all the gays are pirates? 

 

Either way, beach party at Mockingword's place; the fruity cocktails are on me!