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[Zazzerka]

Take Cullen from DAO, if you play Female Mage Warden he shows that he has an interest in her but if you play the Male Mage he doesn't. To me that feels like displaying a preference

 

Careful, mate.

[Rainbow Wyvern]

I felt just as uncomfortable when Isabela told me to look her up in the Hanged Man later as I did when Anders started flirting with me, and both applied for both genders.

Like I said, although I could have worded my post a heck of a lot better, I personally never see anyone complain about f/f flirts, not that it never happens. 

I also felt uncomfortable when she said that.... and my is-totally-supposed-to-be-gay Hawke flirted back. It wasn't even a heart option.... 

[AresKeith]

Stereotypes are usually a lazy way to go in the first place.  There are better ways to depict, for instance, what gender someone finds attractive.  Or do you just hope to have an easier way to know who to pursue or avoid?  In that case, I really have no answer for you, because you and I are going to disagree heavily on a lot of things.  I'd rather have interesting, varied characters who are characterized as people first and foremost, than a group of varied stereotypes who exist solely so that I the player know who they are right off the bat.

 

I agree with you with wanting better ways to depict

[Brass_Buckles]

that sounds like they are the exception

 

Take Cullen from DAO, if you play Female Mage Warden he shows that he has an interest in her but if you play the Male Mage he doesn't. To me that feels like displaying a preference

 

Anders flirted with the female Warden Commander in DA:Awakening, and only the female.  He also expressed interest in women, not men.  So showing a preference in a different game doesn't mean much since a lot can happen between games.  In example, Anders became possessed by a spirit of Justice, which changed a lot of things about him, possibly including his previous gender preference.  Would making him straight have been more consistent?  Sure.  Would it have been fair to players of male Hawke who wanted a piece of that?  No.

 

When it comes down to characters being fair vs. exclusive, I think fair is better than exclusive.  Exclusivity is nice, but not practical in terms of development time and costs.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

that sounds like they are the exception

 

Take Cullen from DAO, if you play Female Mage Warden he shows that he has an interest in her but if you play the Male Mage he doesn't. To me that feels like displaying a preference

No I meant more like this.

 

If you play female, Vivienne seems to like women.

If you play male, Vivienne seems to like men.

[Xilizhra]

I felt just as uncomfortable when Isabela told me to look her up in the Hanged Man later as I did when Anders started flirting with me, and both applied for both genders.

I didn't feel uncomfortable about either, as flirting you'd never respond to is just a fact of life for... lesbians especially, but I imagine most women.

[Zazzerka]

Would it have been fair to players of male Hawke who wanted a piece of that?  No.

 

Why is there an obligation to be fair to every single sexual orientation/gender combination? I actually think it's kind of insulting to assume homosexuals aren't able to deal with some characters being straight. I think they'd be fully capable of accepting it and moving on.

[AresKeith]

Anders flirted with the female Warden Commander in DA:Awakening, and only the female.  He also expressed interest in women, not men.  So showing a preference in a different game doesn't mean much since a lot can happen between games.  In example, Anders became possessed by a spirit of Justice, which changed a lot of things about him, possibly including his previous gender preference.  Would making him straight have been more consistent?  Sure.  Would it have been fair to players of male Hawke who wanted a piece of that?  No.

 

When it comes down to characters being fair vs. exclusive, I think fair is better than exclusive.  Exclusivity is nice, but not practical in terms of development time and costs.

 

I tend to avoid this, because no matter what's said someone is gonna try to act offended over

 

But there's nothing wrong with exclusivity, especially in games like this

 

No I meant more like this.

 

If you play female, Vivienne seems to like women.

If you play male, Vivienne seems to like men.

 

Does she show that she has a preference in both, or is just like that?

[Xilizhra]

Why is there an obligation to be fair to every single sexual orientation/gender combination? I actually think it's kind of insulting to assume homosexuals aren't able to deal with some characters being straight. I think they'd be fully capable of accepting it and moving on.

Well, in the sense that they're video game characters and outright pining over them in such a way that it affects you IRL is a little silly? Of course, the vast majority of homosexuals will be fine with that. But that doesn't mean we don't want to romance the people we want to, hence the mods for Morrigan and Alistair. And heterosexuals would do the same thing if deprived of certain companion romances, I can guarantee.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Does she show that she has a preference in both, or is just like that?

Just as I put it.

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Why is there an obligation to be fair to every single sexual orientation/gender combination? I actually think it's kind of insulting to assume homosexuals aren't able to deal with some characters being straight. I think they'd be fully capable of accepting it and moving on.

It's not just homosexuals. Straight females tend to get the shaft when it comes to romances, (Mass Effect...) and it can't hurt to let people romance whoever they want to romance.

[Xilizhra]

But there's nothing wrong with exclusivity, especially in games like this

Inherently? Not necessarily. But equality is a superior target.

[AresKeith]

Just as I put it.

 

Well that sounds like playersexual

 

Inherently? Not necessarily. But equality is a superior target.

 

Equality in game content or equality in general?

[Brass_Buckles]

Why is there an obligation to be fair to every single sexual orientation/gender combination? I actually think it's kind of insulting to assume homosexuals aren't able to deal with some characters being straight. I think they'd be fully capable of accepting it and moving on.

I have noticed there are a large number of gay and bisexual people who frequent the forums here.  When you don't give them equal options, you're saying they don't matter.  And some straight people play gay characters.  And it's not that hard to unlock an option with similar dialogue for both sexes or all races.  It's easier to do that than to voice an entirely new character.

 

Does absolutely everyone everywhere at every time have to be given options?  No.  And they aren't.  But there's nothing wrong with giving as many people as many options as you can, if it's reasonable to do so.  I certainly wasn't pleased when all my options went away in Mass Effect 3 for my straight female Shepard.  Thankfully I'd romanced Garrus instead of Jacob or Thane in ME2.  If I hadn't, and I had let Kaidan die on Virmire, my femShep would have had to be single or else accept that women were her only options.  I'm glad that lesbian options exist, but they aren't my cup of tea, so I wasn't pleased about options being taken away.  I imagine that's how the gay and lesbian community feel about what you are saying, that you are telling them that you don't want them to have the same options you do.

[SerCambria358]

So you just don't want gay guys to flirt with you because it'll make you uncomfortable...? *sigh* 

I mean it's your preference and all, but I never hear anyone complain about f/f flirts. Of course.

Not trying to be rude or confrontational; just irks me a bit I guess. I also shouldn't be posting at 2AM... Probably horribly misread your post

No you missed my point. I dont want anyone just blatantly flirting when its not part of their character hence why i used Zevran as an example of someone whos persona consists of openly flirting. I also used the Iron Bull as an example of what i dont want to see because it got my point across easier 

[Xilizhra]

Equality in game content or equality in general?

Both.

 

No you missed what i said completely. I dont want anyone just blatantly flirting when its not part of their character hence why i used Zevran as an example of someone whos persona consists of openly flirting. I also used the Iron Bull as an example of what i dont want to see because if i used a female it wouldnt get the point across.

Why? The Iron Bull seemed like quite the hedonist.

[smoke and mirrors]

I think " playersexual " in games is the best option , it`s just a game not RL .

[AresKeith]

I have noticed there are a large number of gay and bisexual people who frequent the forums here.  When you don't give them equal options, you're saying they don't matter.  And some straight people play gay characters.  And it's not that hard to unlock an option with similar dialogue for both sexes or all races.  It's easier to do that than to voice an entirely new character.

 

Does absolutely everyone everywhere at every time have to be given options?  No.  And they aren't.  But there's nothing wrong with giving as many people as many options as you can, if it's reasonable to do so.  I certainly wasn't pleased when all my options went away in Mass Effect 3 for my straight female Shepard.  Thankfully I'd romanced Garrus instead of Jacob or Thane in ME2.  If I hadn't, and I had let Kaidan die on Virmire, my femShep would have had to be single or else accept that women were her only options.  I'm glad that lesbian options exist, but they aren't my cup of tea, so I wasn't pleased about options being taken away.  I imagine that's how the gay and lesbian community feel about what you are saying, that you are telling them that you don't want them to have the same options you do.

 

For the ME romances, I agree that mostly they were poorly handled especially for FemShep

 

But they wasn't like that in DAO

[Brass_Buckles]

No you missed my point. I dont want anyone just blatantly flirting when its not part of their character hence why i used Zevran as an example of someone whos persona consists of openly flirting. I also used the Iron Bull as an example of what i dont want to see because if i used a female it wouldnt get the point across.

 

Actually it would, because there were more than one asari who auto-flirted with my Femshep in Mass Effect, and also Isabella.  I didn't like it, but, what can you do?  I've come to conclude that the bad part is when you don't get the option to decide whether or not to flirt back.  Shepard often flirted back with those asari, even if she were already in a relationship with someone else who might even be standing there next to her.  You weren't given an option to refuse, or to NOT flirt back automatically.

 

And yes, I agree that is a problem.  Actually being flirted with isn't a problem for me, regardless who's doing the flirting.  Not being allowed to politely decline is a problem.  Automatically flirting back is an even bigger problem.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Well that sounds like playersexual

How? A character shows no interest in the opposite sex of the Inquisitor and seems to prefer the same sex as the Inquisitor. So if opposite, they seem straight while if same they seem homosexual.

[Brass_Buckles]

For the ME romances, I agree that mostly they were poorly handled especially for FemShep

 

But they wasn't like that in DAO

 

They were made by the same company.  The possibility of it happening again is not lost on me.

[Brass_Buckles]

How? A character shows no interest in the opposite sex of the Inquisitor and seems to prefer the same sex as the Inquisitor. So if opposite, they seem straight while if same they seem homosexual.

 

Playersexual basically means that if you flirt with them, they prefer you.  In a different gameplay it's basically an alternate universe.  Their preference might be different.  Or they might be bisexual and not really have a preference.  But playersexual doesn't mean they are necessarily bisexual.  So, in a game where you're male and flirt with Anders, Anders is effectively gay (or given his history of liking women in Awakening, perhaps he's bi).  It's another way of letting the player determine the story.  That's all.

 

And re: Dobbysaurus:  Come up with a better term for it, and I'll use that instead.

[AresKeith]

 

Both.

 

Your playing a game that has choices and reaction to those choices, losing out on content because of a choice you increases replayability. And what's wrong with that?

 

As for equality in general, Bioware has proven that they have been inclusive since before the ME and DA games

[SerCambria358]

Actually it would, because there were more than one asari who auto-flirted with my Femshep in Mass Effect, and also Isabella.  I didn't like it, but, what can you do?  I've come to conclude that the bad part is when you don't get the option to decide whether or not to flirt back.  Shepard often flirted back with those asari, even if she were already in a relationship with someone else who might even be standing there next to her.  You weren't given an option to refuse, or to NOT flirt back automatically.

 

And yes, I agree that is a problem.  Actually being flirted with isn't a problem for me, regardless who's doing the flirting.  Not being allowed to politely decline is a problem.  Automatically flirting back is an even bigger problem.

Agreed  i dont know if i put it out there correctly but what im getting at is my issue with flirting regardless of gender, it doesnt matter who's doing it, i just dont want characters like Cassandra out of nowhere making sexual innuendos when she doesnt seem like the type to do that in the first place and also if there isnt some type of flirtatious response from the player to acknowledge to the companion that you are somewhat interested