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Because there's nothing wrong with people stating what they would prefer?
Of course, but not having them explicitly state their sexuality shouldn't be a deal breaker either. We have giant complex brains for a reason. They allow us to problem solve and use context clues. You can prefer to have them explicitly state their sexuality. They didn't chose to go that route in DA 2. Them's the breaks.
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Indeed, tis a most marvelous of cats. Though I don't know what equal rights has to do with this.
Everyone should have the equal right to pretend-romance whatever made-up character they want to in a video game.
Of course, but not having them explicitly state their sexuality shouldn't be a deal breaker either. We have giant complex brains for a reason. They allow us to problem solve and use context clues. You can prefer to have them explicitly state their sexuality. They didn't chose to go that route in DA 2. Them's the breaks.
Of course they don't have to state their sexuality, there are other ways from characters to display what they prefer
Let's be honest here for a second, if you'd really feel disenfranchised by not being able to bang a character, what the heck are you doing allowing something that small to dominate your life? If the game explicitly told you "Hey! This lifestyle is wrong and you should feel wrong!", then I could see your point. IF the game had missions where you had to preform homophobic acts and rewarded you for it, I could see what you meant. But I can't for you not being able to bang someone because they aren't into you. That seems just silly to say someone deprived me of my rights because I couldn't have sexual intercourse with this bunch of polygons.
Bioware is a very rare studio really.
We talk about games as an art of escapism and thats very true, however one thing that doesn't get mentioned as much, although I know Gaider and co have acknowledged this facet...roleplaying in a safe enviornment, especially for LGBT gamers is a pretty treasured thing. I was playing Bioware games before I came out, and yeah, they did help me figure it out. Why? Because I got to see characters like Leliana and Isabela kicking butt, taking names, and owning the fact that they were part of the community without scorn or consequence. Me wanting them as available romance options has nothing to do with fake banging a bunch of pixels, and frankly, if thats all it was to you, then why are you in this thread? It means more to people then that for various reasons, and for LGB gamers especially.
If I go to movies that are these games equivilent, then I have, what Lord of the Rings, Star Wars and such for Mass Effect. How many of those movies have a LGBT lead? Or hell, where are the women in the Fellowship of the Rings? The erassure of LGBT identities across media is getting better, no doubt, but it has been systemic and alarmingly thorough for many many years. So yes, what Bioware contributes to efforts for greater inclusion is small in many ways but it is also an enormously important step for many people.
Let's be honest here for a second, if you'd really feel disenfranchised by not being able to bang a character, what the heck are you doing allowing something that small to dominate your life?
Dominate my life? Wow. Here, I thought I was contributing to a discussion about sexual equality and game mechanics, and all of a sudden, it's the only defining factor in my existence. These things sure creep up on one.
I'm a gamer. All my friends are gamers. Most of my family, including my retired mum, are gamers. When there's a game with lots of role-playing and a romance option, I don't want my (straight) mum, or my (gay) best friend to have fewer options than I do. I don't want them to be disenfranchised. When there's a discussion going on which has a chance of influencing whether they are or not, I have my say.
On a more personal note, it's not really a great tactic to minimize someone else's concerns just because you don't share them. It looks rude, and this isn't the first thread you have done it in. No, it's not equally important to everyone. No, not everyone will have the same priorities as you do. But you don't get to decide what's worthy of consideration and you also don't get to decide how important it is to people who are not you.
Things seem to be getting a bit heated. No surprise. Personal baggage doesn't make for a good and civil thread.
Doesn't Morrigan also talk a bit about only being attracted to men? I might be imagining that though.
If the game explicitly told you "Hey! This lifestyle is wrong and you should feel wrong!", then I could see your point. IF the game had missions where you had to preform homophobic acts and rewarded you for it, I could see what you meant. But I can't for you not being able to bang someone because they aren't into you. That seems just silly to say someone deprived me of my rights because I couldn't have sexual intercourse with this bunch of polygons.
No one is making this a civil rights issue but you.
Our argument is all bisexual companions is the most equitable compromise because it gives everyone access to the same content.
I want you to realize that I've been playing video games for a LONG time. Nearly 30 years. And I've known I'm gay that entire time. I was not able to have a choice in romantic partners between two male characters in a Bioware game until 2011. And it only happened in two games ever. I felt marginalized until that point. It didn't stop me from buying the games, but it did lower my enjoyment of the game a bit. The last two games were the only times I didn't have to feel that way and I'm not interested in going back.
So, no, I don't think my rights are being violated. But on the other hand, it's about damned time that I also get to choose a romance option just like all of the straight players do. It's clearly a big deal for some LGBT players. You might not agree with us, but you certainly cannot tell me that I shouldn't feel the way I do now.
Of course they don't have to state their sexuality, there are other ways from characters to display what they prefer
Right and 6 out of the 8 Dragon Age LI's did just that. You're batting 75% at this point. Not a bad record and certainly not something to get all worked up about in my opinion.
The definition of disenfranchise is "to deprive of a franchise, of a legal right, or of some privilege or immunity; especially : to deprive of the right to vote."
So yeah, someone did decide to make this a rights issue.
Things seem to be getting a bit heated. No surprise. Personal baggage doesn't make for a good and civil thread.
I suggest you go back and read the entire thread, because you'll see that it wasn't heated in here until about two hours ago. When did you start posting in here again?
Right and 6 out of the 8 Dragon Age LI's did just that. You're batting 75% at this point. Not a bad record and certainly not something to get all worked up about in my opinion.
I'm not getting worked up over it
Let's be honest here for a second, if you'd really feel disenfranchised by not being able to bang a character, what the heck are you doing allowing something that small to dominate your life? If the game explicitly told you "Hey! This lifestyle is wrong and you should feel wrong!", then I could see your point. IF the game had missions where you had to preform homophobic acts and rewarded you for it, I could see what you meant. But I can't for you not being able to bang someone because they aren't into you. That seems just silly to say someone deprived me of my rights because I couldn't have sexual intercourse with this bunch of polygons.
In my own personal life experience, I've had a group of teenage boys shoot me in the back from a car with paintballs at close range while I was standing at a bus stop with my girlfriend. I've experienced having a man follow me and a lesbian friend down a street, late at night, threatening us with corrective rape because we had short hair and looked "butch." I've had a girlfriend disavow our relationship and claim that I was obsessed with her, because she was afraid of being outed. And those are just the things I'm willing to talk about on a mostly anonymous public forum.
So no, I don't feel like I have a "right" to sexual intercourse with any given bunch of polygons. I am well aware that there are far more important issues when it comes to the LGBT community. But I do feel that, as a gamer, I have the right to express my desire for more inclusion of LGBT content in games, whether the devs listen to me or not. And I feel that I have the right to want the same level of escape and wish fulfillment that most straight (and mostly male) gamers take for granted.
This thread is in the suggestions forum. Nobody, as far as I know, is demanding anything. But as long as people are allowed to make suggestions, and talk about what they'd want in Bioware games, I'm going to chime in, and I really don't care if someone thinks I'm a pathetic, basement dwelling virgin demanding the perfect video game waifu. I know who I am and what I've been through, and I also know that, as a consumer, it doesn't hurt to ask for what you want out of a product. I may not get it, at least this time around, but if there's even a slim chance of influencing development of future games, then I'll keep posting.
I suggest you go back and read the entire thread, because you'll see that it wasn't heated in here until about two hours ago. When did you start posting in here again?
Really? XD Did you seriously just post that?
The definition of disenfranchise is "to deprive of a franchise, of a legal right, or of some privilege or immunity; especially : to deprive of the right to vote."
So yeah, someone did decide to make this a rights issue.
You are the one who brought in the word disenfranchise at all. I really feel like you're just trolling now and I'm really not understanding why.
I'm not getting worked up over it
Ah, then my mistake. Continue on.
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You are the one who brought in the word disenfranchise at all. I really feel like you're just trolling now and I'm really not understanding why.
If the choice is between pleasing everybody and disenfranchising a bunch of folks,
I'm all about the panda.
You know, I had heard that people's vision is selective, but I didn't realize it could be that selective.
No. She will tell the Warden that men will always assume that a woman is attracted to them, but never about her own preferences, at least not to a female Warden.
Cool. Thanks. I don't know why I thought she said something about only liking fellas.
Bioware, if you wanna impliment romances in your games, great. Distribute sexual preferences how ever you see fit; I don't care what the distribution is. All I'm asking for, as a player experiencing your story, are characters who I can view as real people with consistent, natural traits.
Alternatively, feel free to not include romances. Anything but playersexual. That is all.
I also do not actually feel more strongly about race limitations. Race limitations would be more acceptable than gender limitations in my opinion, and if a Qunari is limited to one LI, for example I wouldn't be too upset.
I have this image in my head of a female Qunari PC hitting on one of the male companions and him just being petrified by the idea.
"I'm flatted but no."
"Why?"
"You'd break me."
I might find this concept way more amusing than I should. 
You know, I had heard that people's vision is selective, but I didn't realize it could be that selective.
Not really selective so much as trying to keep up with a fast-moving thread with many different voices happening at once. Maybe if you actually used the quote function I would know who you were replying to.
In any case, I feel like most people have remained pretty civil, but I still get the vibe that you're trolling instead of contributing to the discussion right now.
If the choice is between pleasing everybody and disenfranchising a bunch of folks,
How would that be disenfranchising people when the other route is giving everyone an equal number?
I have this image in my head of a female Qunari PC hitting on one of the male companions and him just being petrified by the idea.
"I'm flatted but no."
"Why?"
"You'd break me."
I might find this concept way more amusing than I should.
Death by snu snu
How would that be disenfranchising people when the other route is giving everyone an equal number?
"quality" aka other companions matter too. We don't have the right to deny someone something just because minority want a trivial thing such as "omg immersion".
You are fighting over something insignificant that clearly makes majority of fans happy. I just can't wrap my head around that. Humans are indeed amazing and individualistic. I can NEVER understand people opposing playersexuality.
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