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[CybAnt1]

Perhaps it is time to bring back the powerful Word of Lord Gaider. 

 

http://www.rockpaper...ve-up-romances/

 

“I can easily imagine a time when the romances in Inquisition are revealed. There will be an inevitable reaction from people who are disappointed they couldn’t romance someone with their character of choice, and some of them will rant at length as to how they were only deprived of said romance because of some agenda. We took away that romance because we’re mean, or because we’re boring and couldn’t we see that the romance they wanted would be so much more interesting? And that romance we actually put in is not only terrible but is homophobic/biphobic/racist/pedophilia/etc., which their romance pairing would not be.”

“To me, the thing that BioWare does best is not story but characters – I think our characters are done to a level that few other games even attempt, with an element of agency that strikes a chord in our players. Romances have been a natural outgrowth of that. Sure we could stop, but that would be turning our backs on something we do which almost no-one else does. The question would be: ‘why?’ And what do we replace it with?

[end]

 

It's something that most objective observers can agree Bioware does better than other developers. (Though the universe of CRPG developers is becoming a very small fishbowl.) Why abandon one of their strengths?  BTW, anybody who reads my posts know I am anything BUT a so-called Bioware fanboy: I never hesitate being critical of them. It just so happens I agree with people who say the romances could be done better, but the irony is even despite that, no one else is doing it any better. 

 

IMHO, they are left as optional content: so if you are uninterested in them, don't do them. That's as close to a "toggle state" as you can get other than flipping a switch from the first screen. 

 

Some people want them taken out because of all the controversy they generate on threads like this (see this thread), but that IMHO is certainly not a good enough reason. 

[KaiserShep]

romances in games do nothing but derail the main focus of the game. it would be better if they just leave them out completely.

But what is the main focus of the game anyway? Is the protagonist's relationship with the companions not part of that? If you mean the overarching plot, then this is kind of ironic, because we're talking about games that have various side plots that may have nothing to do with the main storyline anyway. In what way is it better to remove something you can simply ignore?

[Mr.House]

 

Romance is the only reason I ever picked up a Bioware game in the first place. If all I wanted to do was kill dragons, I would've stuck with one of the dozens of games I already own that have that feature. I give my money to Bioware because they offer me something more. And yes, that something happens to be the freedom to kiss other boys, and being a badass while doing it.

LOL, if you want to romance pixels, there are far better options out there, and playing a game for that reason is silly to begin with.Looks like another Plantiff.

[spirosz]

Romance is the only reason I ever picked up a Bioware game in the first place.

 

Well that sucks.  

[daveliam]

LOL, if you want to romance pixels, there are far better options out there, and playing a game for that reason is silly to begin with.Looks like another Plantiff.

 

You have absolutely no authority to determine what someone else finds enjoyable in a game.  If you find it "silly", then move on.  It's that simple.  There is absolutely no reason to be rude.

[Mockingword]

LOL, if you want to romance pixels, there are far better options out there, and playing a game for that reason is silly to begin with.Looks like another Plantiff.

"Playing a game because it offers a feature you like is stupid".

Modifié par BioWareMod02, 19 mars 2014 - 03:49 .
Removed personal attack

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

Sexual diversity can be present among the non-romanceable characters, of which there will be dozens, if not over a hundred.

 

Hi Plaintiff!

 

Hmm what else? Ah! Playersexual characters bore me, I liked that I couldn't possibly grab every waifu and husbando in ME, ME2, BG2, JE, and DA. It gave me an extra reason to have multiple characters. (That and the glorious opportunities to explore just how terrible I can have my alternate characters be)

[CybAnt1]

Understatement

Indeed. It is assured that other games, perhaps maybe those dating sims, do romances better than BioWare.

 

There are no doubt dating sims and other games that do romance better.

 

However, IMHO, Bioware has a deserved reputation for being one of the ones to do them best, as an optional element of CRPGs. 

 

You know, I have a real-life partner. She happens to be female. That is all I am going to say about my real-world personal life or sexuality. I'm not looking for a pixelated "waifu" or "husbando". 

 

I like the romances in Bioware games because to me it is an interesting part of the story, as much as the romance between Arwen and Aragorn is an interesting part of the LOTR story. It may not be the central focus, but it adds to the flavor of the tale. And because their games are interactive stories, the romance side-portions of their stories are also interactive. 

[spirosz]

You have absolutely no authority to determine what someone else finds enjoyable in a game.  If you find it "silly", then move on.  It's that simple.  There is absolutely no reason to be rude.

 

I love the romances, but the only reason to pick up the game?  I find that silly, personally.  

[KaiserShep]

There are no doubt dating sims and other games that do romance better.
 
However, IMHO, Bioware has a deserved reputation for being one of the ones to do them best, as an optional element of CRPGs.

But how good is the combat in those dating sims?

[Mr.House]

You have absolutely no authority to determine what someone else finds enjoyable in a game.  If you find it "silly", then move on.  It's that simple.  There is absolutely no reason to be rude.

If all you want is romance then why are you playing a Bioware game for that when it's not even that good in that regard. You're simply wasting your money when you can spend it on games that do that aspect better.

[AresKeith]

I liked that I couldn't possibly grab every waifu and husbando in ME, ME2, BG2, JE, and DA. It gave me an extra reason to have multiple characters. (That and the glorious opportunities to explore just how terrible I can have my alternate characters be)

 

I agree, the only issues I saw with ME2 was the number of romance options they gave to only one type of Shepard

[Rusty Sandusky]

I love the romances, but the only reason to pick up the game?  I find that silly, personally.

Yeah, this.

[Grand Admiral Cheesecake]

But how good is the combat in those dating sims?

 

Some of the ones that bother with it actually don't do all that bad. (Usually turn based from what I've seen but usually of passable quality)

[Mr.House]

"Playing a game because it offers a feature you like is stupid".

 

Bite me.

Yup, you just confirmed that you are Plantiff. Have your yaoi games run out of steam that you must now buy every single product with a romance option when romance is not even a main focus and has little work put into them?

[daveliam]

If all you want is romance then why are you playing a Bioware game for that when it's not even that good in that regard. You're simply wasting your money when you can spend it on games that do that aspect better.

Because he wants to and he is an adult.  He didn't ask you your opinion on it.  I genuinely do not care how you play the game, so guess what?  I wouldn't feel the need to come onto a message board and try to make it look like your choices are somehow less than mine. 

 

I think that commenting in a thread and not staying on topic is a waste of time and is silly, but you aren't going to change you behavior based on my comments, so why should he change his based on yours?

[JCFR]

In my opinion it's a bit... questionable in charakterdesign when all your companions are bisexual. It's only a natural part of a charakter if he or she has some determined favours or dislikes. It's not about racism or lack of tolerance, it's about credibility.

 

And in general i hope that the romances are being expressed a bit better than in the predecessors. In Origins all you had to do was give the one you wanted enough gifts and that's good. Sure, there were some textlines but still it seemed shallow to me. Like: Oh, hey, who are you... you want a present? You want another present?  You wanna marry me? - if it would be  just this easy in real life.

In DA2 it was a bit better, but not much. In general everyone had a sidequest-line and some talks but that's it... and again it stumbled me, that in the end you still had to tell them what they wanted to hear. No simple strifes or conflict's like "Oh, i can't stand that side of you but i'm still drawn to you" - as it is in reality.

 

I wish the bonding would go much deeper. Like.. i don't know... maybe some quests that afford just your Player-charakter and the romancable npc - no other partymembers. IN these quests there could be constantly some short talks thrown in in which you learn about the dark sides or the past of the others and even if you don't agree, you could come to a mutual understanding.

That would be awesome and make the charakters more memorable.

[jillabender]

In my own personal life experience, I've had a group of teenage boys shoot me in the back from a car with paintballs at close range while I was standing at a bus stop with my girlfriend.  I've experienced having a man follow me and a lesbian friend down a street, late at night, threatening us with corrective rape because we had short hair and looked "butch."  I've had a girlfriend disavow our relationship and claim that I was obsessed with her, because she was afraid of being outed.  And those are just the things I'm willing to talk about on a mostly anonymous public forum.

 

So no, I don't feel like I have a "right" to sexual intercourse with any given bunch of polygons.  I am well aware that there are far more important issues when it comes to the LGBT community.  But I do feel that, as a gamer, I have the right to express my desire for more inclusion of LGBT content in games, whether the devs listen to me or not.  And I feel that I have the right to want the same level of escape and wish fulfillment that most straight (and mostly male) gamers take for granted.

 

This thread is in the suggestions forum.  Nobody, as far as I know, is demanding anything.  But as long as people are allowed to make suggestions, and talk about what they'd want in Bioware games, I'm going to chime in, and I really don't care if someone thinks I'm a pathetic, basement dwelling virgin demanding the perfect video game waifu.  I know who I am and what I've been through, and I also know that, as a consumer, it doesn't hurt to ask for what you want out of a product.  I may not get it, at least this time around, but if there's even a slim chance of influencing development of future games, then I'll keep posting.

 

I just want to say that I think that's really beautifully put, and I really admire you for being brave enough to make yourself vulnerable like that. (Also, for what it's worth, I'm so sorry that you had to go through the horrible experiences of being attacked that you mentioned.)

 

I've said this before, but my problem isn't with the idea of straight players preferring for the romanceable characters to have a variety of set sexual orientations. What does frustrate me is seeing people express the attitude "Why would anyone care about which NPCs their character can have a gay romance with? Those people are just looking for something to be offended about."

 

LGBT players don't have a huge selection of games to choose from that feature gay romance in any form (let alone the opportunity to play as a non-straight hero), so it's not hard for me to understand why there are people who would be disappointed if some of the available romances in DA:I were exclusively straight (even if other romances were available to both genders or exclusively gay) – and I don't think that a bit of empathy for why people might feel that way should be too much to ask.

[oceanicsurvivor]

Understatement

Indeed. It is assured that other games, perhaps maybe those dating sims, do romances better than BioWare.

 

Excuse me, thats ridiculous. This conversation certainly centers around the LGBT content of the games to a large degree. And I'll say what I've already said before: This is the closests many LGBT gamers will get to enjoying an epic summer blockbuster type movie with a lead who shares their sexuality. A sexuality that is actually given 'screen time'. Enjoying that, and appreciating that, in the face of its rarity across ALL TYPES OF MEDIA, is completely 2,000% ok.

[Mr.House]

And here I thought I was silly for first picking up DA:O only because I found out you could have a dog as a companion ha. 

Dog was awesome in DAO.

[CybAnt1]

But what is the main focus of the game anyway? Is the protagonist's relationship with the companions not part of that? If you mean the overarching plot, then this is kind of ironic, because we're talking about games that have various side plots that may have nothing to do with the main storyline anyway. In what way is it better to remove something you can simply ignore?

 

Wow Kaiser, this is a nice opportunity to once again see you and I take the same side on something. 

 

EDIT: however, as usual, your followup question leaves me uncertain.