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#51
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Your playing a game that has choices and reaction to those choices, losing out on content because of a choice you increases replayability. And what's wrong with that?

 

As for equality in general, Bioware has proven that they have been inclusive since before the ME and DA games

 

Yes, they can replay the game as another gender or another sexuality, but many people aren't going to want to.  Even though that content is optional, they'll have their personal pick.

 

So I still fail to see why romance characters shouldn't be an option for everyone.  Again, I get that it's more realistic for them to have set preferences.  But to be inclusive, that isn't practical--they'd have to add more options.



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Your playing a game that has choices and reaction to those choices, losing out on content because of a choice you increases replayability. And what's wrong with that?

 

As for equality in general, Bioware has proven that they have been inclusive since before the ME and DA games

You lose out on content by choosing to romance one person anyway. Which gender you are doesn't change that.


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"Alternate universes for sexuality" Pro-playersexual arguments never fail to entertain, I tell ya.



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And re: Dobbysaurus:  Come up with a better term for it, and I'll use that instead.

I'm not Dobbysaurus I think unless I'm a clone if I am then I'm Dobbysaurus but how about Situational Sexuality?



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So I still fail to see why romance characters shouldn't be an option for everyone.

 

So what was the purpose of the thread, exactly?



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So what was the purpose of the thread, exactly?

 

We're discussing it, aren't we?

 

Just because I'm disagreeing with you doesn't mean it isn't a valid discussion.


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The biggest problem I see with playersexual is the fact that it can hurt the perception of bisexuality as a valid identity. I think the writers handled it well with Isabela, crafting a character who was legitimately open to having sex with people of any gender. Additionally, given how she talks about elves specifically, you might say she expresses pansexuality, even if she never labels herself as such. However, as she is the only character whose sexuality is actually a part of her in game character and she is bi, pan, whichever, she does fall victim to the bisexual who sleeps with everyone stereotype.

 

Anders however, bothers me more. Why does Anders not mention having a relationship with Karl if he romances a femHawke? Would it really be so 'icky' for a woman to date a man who was bi? If that isn't the reasoning, then why was it taken out? This is the part of the system that bothers me I think, that his bisexuality gets hidden during the pursuit of a heterosexual relationship.

 

Anders doesn't express an interest in men in Awakening, thats true, but using that as a basis for his sexuality for his entire life is really unfair, and shows that there is a bias in how society percieves sexuality. When Awakening came out, of all companions, how many of them are LGB? None? Really? You sure? Or is it that without being explicitly told who was what, it was assumed they were straight, even if they never gave any indication one way or the other? I'm sure many people aren't looking at it like this, but to lots of people, everyone in the party is straight until very publicly, very throughly outted.

 

Player sexual does make the most sense. This is ultimately a fantasy video game that doesn't need to have characters who worry about the same sexual taboos etc that our culture has. For those of us who that effects on a daily real world basis, its lovely not to have to worry or feel limited. For those who it doesn't effect daily, then it doesn't change the gaming experience at all.

 

I think part of the reason it has caused such an uproar is because a lot of people are uncomfortable with the idea of being around that many LGBT people/characters, most likely since they don't associate with that many LGB people on a day to day basis. Many people have, throughout DA2 discussions etc, that it is unrealistic for so many people to be LGBT in one area. Well, if you are a part of the LGBT community, then it actually might be more realistic to be around more LGBT than non LGBT people. And if you aren't, it was hardly shoved in your face. (In fact the only time I lost points with Anders over a romance thing was as FemHawke). Fenris and Isabela, both characters who could end up with people of either gender start seeing each other if you aren't dating one. So, still, even with Isabela, the games arguabley best example of bisexuality, the default becomes a straight relationship.

 

 

Most of the games fanbase is straight, romances straight? Terrific, you're taken care of, with maybe the exception of ONE LINE from Anders...which from the uproar they got isn't happening again anyways... If you're LGB or want to RP a character who happens to be LGB, then you're taken care of too. It's a single player experience, so ultimately, (just like with gay people in real life) what gay gamers do in their game has no bearing on your game/life and vice versa.

 

All of the characters Bioware creates are spectacular, and they all deserve to be remembered for more then who they were romanceable with. Its an important part of identity for characters, sure, but I think allowing real people the chance to engage with their real id, possibly as a minority, is far more important, and a far more admirable use of resources.


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They were made by the same company.  The possibility of it happening again is not lost on me.

 

Same company but different team

 

Yes, they can replay the game as another gender or another sexuality, but many people aren't going to want to.  Even though that content is optional, they'll have their personal pick.

 

So I still fail to see why romance characters shouldn't be an option for everyone.  Again, I get that it's more realistic for them to have set preferences.  But to be inclusive, that isn't practical--they'd have to add more options.

 

1. This may sound harsh and I apologize if it do, then they just miss out on some content

 

2. No one can really answer that because it's all based on personal opinion, I personally feel that gives them more depth as characters if they had their own preferences

 

Then there's the whole thing about how Bioware shouldn't try to please every, but lets not get into that one



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The biggest problem I see with playersexual is the fact that it can hurt the perception of bisexuality as a valid identity. I think the writers handled it well with Isabela, crafting a character who was legitimately open to having sex with people of any gender. Additionally, given how she talks about elves specifically, you might say she expresses pansexuality, even if she never labels herself as such. However, as she is the only character whose sexuality is actually a part of her in game character and she is bi, pan, whichever, she does fall victim to the bisexual who sleeps with everyone stereotype.

As a bisexual person, I do not see how 'playersexuality' hurts the perception of bisexuality as a valid identity. The  'playersexual' characters are not bi unless it's a case like Isabela, they are whatever orientation includes your character's gender.


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We're discussing it, aren't we?

 

Just because I'm disagreeing with you doesn't mean it isn't a valid discussion.

 

I'm just not sure what there is to discuss. If you were never going to change your mind, then it just looks like you're deliberately inviting all the dickheads to come and challenge you without anyone getting anywhere.

 

Besides, you aren't entirely disagreeing with me. I'm okay with them going with playersexuality if they so decide. The concept doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as this valiant crusade that has continued for months and years that makes it out to be the epitome of inclusiveness. As if the highest priority for the minorities is to gain their choice of sex scenes in a video game.

 

But then again, I'm straight, white, and about as privileged as they come according to the internet, so my priorities will inevitably be different to theirs.



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You lose out on content by choosing to romance one person anyway. Which gender you are doesn't change that.

 

That doesn't really do anything to my point



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As a bisexual person, I do not see how 'playersexuality' hurts the perception of bisexuality as a valid identity. The  'playersexual' characters are not bi unless it's a case like Isabela, they are whatever orientation includes your character's gender.

 

I found it potentially troubling that bisexuality and playersexual could be interchangeable, as if bisexuality was a game mechanic, lessening the validity or realness of a bisexual id within the game world/universe. Mainly, I guess that concern comes up with their handling of Anders in DA2. I don't know if that makes sense...Anyways...I'm certainly sorry if I caused any offense! I'm not bisexual, so thank you for responding!



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That doesn't really do anything to my point

Ares it really comes down to Bioware being a developer that likes to promise divergent content but is actually afraid to go through with implementing it properly because they want everyone to be able to experience everything. Apparently replayability is a cardinal sin.

 

I mean there are other more "sensitive" factors, but this to me is the is the root of the problem.


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I'm just not sure what there is to discuss. If you were never going to change your mind, then it just looks like you're deliberately inviting all the dickheads to come and challenge you without anyone getting anywhere.

 

Besides, you aren't entirely disagreeing with me. I'm okay with them going with playersexuality if they so decide. The concept doesn't bother me anywhere near as much as this valiant crusade that has continued for months and years makes it out to be the epitome of inclusiveness. As if the highest priority for the minorities is to gain their choice of sex scenes in a video game.

 

But then again, I'm straight, white, and about as privileged as they come according to the internet, so my priorities will inevitably be different to theirs.

 

My mind COULD be changed, if I had some seriously compelling reasons to change it.  So far I haven't seen those.

The primary reason for the discussion, though, wasn't to change my mind or even anyone else's, but to give Bioware some feedback.  Hence why it's in the Feedback forum and not in Scuttlebutt.

 

You claim to agree with me, and then turn around and claim I'm "crusading" to get people to be allowed a sex scene in a video game... when I hadn't even thought about sex scenes, or mentioned them.  You belittle minorities, as well, by essentially implying that being able to have an in-game romance isn't a big deal for them.  But if I had my guess, it kind of is, because there are so few games that allow for it.

 

I'm not crusading for anything, but rather supporting what's already been done.  I made the thread to give my opinion and allow other people to give theirs, as long as it's done civilly.  If you dislike my opinions so much that you feel the need to continually belittle me across multiple threads, please by all means put me on your ignore list instead.


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I don't think he meant you as "crusading"



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How did "As if" in that sentence not tell you that he was on your side?



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I don't think gender preference in Thedas impacts a character's personality the way it does IRL.  In our world, LGBT may struggle and face different obstacles than straight people, which could have an effect on their personality.  Since being LGBT doesn't seem to be such a controversial issue in Thedas and they don't seem to be ostracized, it seems a person's gender preference wouldn't have the same impact.

 

I personally would like access to all LIs because my character would choose to romance a person based on their personality, interactions, temperament and individuality, not their gender.  I don't want to be pigeonholed into romancing a character that doesn't mesh with my Inquisitor while a perfect match lies on the other side of a sexuality barrier.


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You claim to agree with me, and then turn around and claim I'm "crusading" to get people to be allowed a sex scene in a video game... when I hadn't even thought about sex scenes, or mentioned them.  You belittle minorities, as well, by essentially implying that being able to have an in-game romance isn't a big deal for them.  But if I had my guess, it kind of is, because there are so few games that allow for it.

 

 

I'd say your guess is spot on. My love of the FemHawke/Isabela relationship is 99% character arc and about 1% that scene where a fully clothed Isabela and Hawke kind of nuzzle their faces together.

 

How many summer blockbuster movies have LGB leads? Video games and the rare degree of choice they allow is the closest I'm getting to seeing a LGB/ Female led Lord Of the Rings. :)


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II don't want to be pigeonholed into romancing a character that doesn't mesh with my Inquisitor while a perfect match lies on the other side of a sexuality barrier.

So, you admit it's pure fanservice?



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That's like the fifth time you've told me how I feel about minorites, bloody hell. I voted against my country's Prime Minister when she was running for reelection, with one of my reasons being her stance on gay marriages.

 

My opinion is that gay people are fine. My opinion is that gay people wanting gay content in video games is also fine. My opinion is that playersexuality, while sound as a concept, is not the be-all and end-all of gay rights. I'm done.



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I'm bringing in an Allan quote.

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Because why not?

 

Give me one reason why they shouldn't be bisexual.  Note: "realism" is an invalid argument in a fantasy universe.


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I'm bringing in an Allan quote.

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Because why not?

 

Give me one reason why they shouldn't be bisexual.  Note: "realism" is an invalid argument in a fantasy universe.

Believability however is a valid argument in any fictional universe, Alan.


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Believability however is a valid argument in any fictional universe, Alan.

I'm sorry, but what isn't believeable?



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I'm sorry, but what isn't believeable?

That 2/3rds of your party both male and female are all attracted to you, the player.


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So, you admit it's pure fanservice?

 

I'm being honest about what I want and if the devs chose to implement distinct sexualities for characters I'd be just fine.  The fact that what the devs think is an appropriate way to handle limited resources without sacrificing character development lines up with what I want is AMAZING.  I don't want more LI options that aren't developed well.  I'll gladly take a limited number with deeply developed lives and personalities, even if they're not my sexual preference.  I'm a straight female if that makes any difference to you.


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