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Not sure if sarcasm considered to be civil, but that's where this thread is headed, just like every other threads, before a lockdown.
...so this thread was actually pretty successful, especially with that expectation in mind. I enjoyed it quite a bit 
Learned a lot, changed some of my views, reaffirmed others.
That happened pages ago, you're late to the party my friend.
;_;
Its been way too long since I've been called a bigot/racist/sexist/misogynist/homophobe/genocide fetishist/mouth breather/etc...
Well, let me add just one more thing before I potentially bow out or the thread officially ends: a character's sexual preference (or any other aspect) needn't actually be revealed to anyone else within the game world. Just to me, the player on the outside looking in.
Well, let me just add one more thing before I potentially bow out or the thread officially ends: a character's sexual preference (or any other aspect) needn't actually be revealed to anyone else within the game world. Just to me, the player on the outside looking in.
That could be interpreted so badly. There's probably at least five more pages of arguing to be done based on those two sentences.
Well, let me add just one more thing before I potentially bow out or the thread officially ends: a character's sexual preference (or any other aspect) needn't actually be revealed to anyone else within the game world. Just to me, the player on the outside looking in.
I'll probably regret this but:
Why?
I think characters should be able to be blocked from romances based on in game choices, its kinda of weird that you can get nothing but disapproval from say Leliana when making choices, but say the magic words and off go her pants
Andraste's Grace is a hell of a drug.
I think characters should be able to be blocked from romances based on in game choices, its kinda of weird that you can get nothing from disapproval from say Leliana when making choices, but say the magic words and off go her pants
I agree. It always seemed strange to me that you could spend your entire time in DA killing mages but except for one specific quest, you can still romance Anders. Same for other romances in which you go against a character's belief system. The only time you ever really got locked out was by, yanno, triggering the 'kill your party member' fights.
I agree. It always seemed strange to me that you could spend your entire time in DA killing mages but except for one specific quest, you can still romance Anders. Same for other romances in which you go against a character's belief system. The only time you ever really got locked out was by, yanno, triggering the 'kill your party member' fights.
This is a bigger issue to me than player-sexuality for characters, one is a bit immersion shaking, but kissing Anders after bathing in the blood of mages is just downright illogical.
This is a bigger issue to me than player-sexuality for characters, one is a bit immersion shaking, but kissing Anders after bathing in the blood of mages is just downright illogical.
I went and romanced Anders during a templar playthrough and romanced Fenris during my extremist mage playthrough--as a mage just because it was so ludicrous.
I went and romanced Anders during a templar playthrough and romanced Fenris during my extremist mage playthrough--as a mage just because it was so ludicrous.
Hmmm I guess I'll romance Anders on my next "Blood magic using mage templar supporter"
Hmmm I guess I'll romance Anders on my next "Blood magic using mage templar supporter"
That sounds bloody hilarious, that does.
I think characters should be able to be blocked from romances based on in game choices, its kinda of weird that you can get nothing but disapproval from say Leliana when making choices, but say the magic words and off go her pants
This I completely agree with.
All LIs are available to both genders but if you do certain actions they go "NOPE".
So so very stupid I can side with the werewolves and still romance Leliana and run around rampant murdering and still nail Alistair. I can understand some rivalry stuff (like siding with the mages or even killing Conner) because those things can be you know justified for some reason other than LOL.
That said Anders is a crazed obsessive weirdo who faps to thoughts of your PC for years so I can see the whole killing mages not deterring him (Doesn't help that you're forced to help his psycho self and the only mages you actually kill are idiots who attack you. The rest you send mages that either were in the circle to begin with or are completely untrained to the circle which while not great is understandable). The dealing with a demon and killing him in the fade are his lines in the sand (you'd think this'd apply for Fenris too but I guess he can't say anything considering he tried to rip you a new stomach).
Fenris...is so so really. I can get why he'd dump a mage Hawke siding with the mages but at the same time he never really seems to give *that* much of a damn about them. It's more about the larger picture of mages being uncontrolled. And Hawke has the same helping him issue. (Also his "romance" is more of a one night stand that doesn't go anywhere until he's pretty much willing to put the whole hating mages thing behind him so there's that too...). Even making the elven girl a slave is understandable she's never lived alone and as Merrill said a lone elf is easy prey for anyone (doesn't really help that Hawke whether he/she pays the girl or not doesn't do much of anything other than have her do shopping and cleaning in exchange for housing and food so this not leading to any more of an explosion than what he does is understandable to me).
So I can get those two (Rival Isabela on the other hand completely lost me well...I guess Isabela wants to be a better person but really that needed better development it happens to abruptly. Rival Merrill makes plenty of sense because rival Hawke's more concerned about her hurting herself than anything).
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I think characters should be able to be blocked from romances based on in game choices, its kinda of weird that you can get nothing but disapproval from say Leliana when making choices, but say the magic words and off go her pants
Defile Andraste's ashes in front of Leliana(and Wynne) then report back. Or spare Loghain and check Alistair's reaction. Also a LOT of people whined when Alistair had a tantrum while sparing Loghain's life. Case of damned if you do, damned if you don't.
You can actually intimidate a hardened Leliana into standing down. You lose 10 approval. And no the romance doesn't end.
I romanced Zev with a human supremacist, Morrigan with a white knight (Had a harder time romancing her with my dark mage honestly), Leliana with a psycho and Alistair with an uber elven mage psycho that hated pretty much everything that wasn't him.
There are of course points where the romance auto ends in both games. (I believe laughing at Alistair's performance auto ends his romance and killing Anders in the fade and dealing with Torpor ends his). But there's a lot more where you get away with things that...you really shouldn't.
You can actually intimidate a hardened Leliana into standing down. You lose 10 approval. And no the romance doesn't end.
Bolded part is pretty important. And Leliana still says that she would never forgive you.
She says it but that doesn't stop her from going to said PC's tent 10 minutes later tho...
But yeah unhardened Leliana sticks to her guns much like unhardened Alistair sticks to his no adultery guns if made King.
As expected, I made a post saying character sexuality should be tied to who they are rather than what IRL sexuality they should appeal to and the LGBT legions jumped on me.
It's like you people don't even know what an RPG is.
Good character writing trumps what the public wants.
And no, I'm not some homophobe. I was totally fine with Samantha Traynor being a lesbian ( her rejecting Shepard was hilarious ) or with Cortez being homosexual.
It's part of their character. It's who they are.
Making everyone bi is a cop out to please the masses.
As expected, I made a post saying character sexuality should be tied to who they are rather than what IRL sexuality they should appeal to and the LGBT legions jumped on me.
It's like you people don't even know what an RPG is.
Good character writing trumps what the public wants.
And no, I'm not some homophobe. I was totally fine with Samantha Traynor being a lesbian ( her rejecting Shepard was hilarious ) or with Cortez being homosexual.
It's part of their character. It's who they are.
Making everyone bi is a cop out to please the masses.
Do you *really* want to get into the what's an RPG arguement? Because last I checked PLENTY of RPGs had jack squat to do with romances.
Also for the 100th time. Everyone in DA2 was not bisexual.
Being gay, bisexual, or heterosexual does not make a person more timid, more aggressive, more promiscuous, or anything like that. What DOES affect someone's personality is how they are treated because of a particular sexual orientation, and that is an immensely important distinction.
Well, that is not entirely true. Being gay is the result of a lack of exposure to a hormone similar to testosterone during the development of the brain (in the womb). The level of this hormone also influences a region in the brain that is related to your tendency to aggression. There are of course two factors that are more dominant and these are (1) personal experience (aggressive father, …) and (2) the level of testosterone production.
If you introduce an aggressive male character, it does not exclude any sexual orientation a priori. However if you provide background information and traits that exclude (1) and (2), a universe where this character is gay is not believable. This applies of course to every trait; A character whose internal organs are mirrored is perfectly fine unless his smell is excellent and he has a huge amount of children.
Well, that is not entirely true. Being gay is the result of a lack of exposure to a hormone similar to testosterone during the development of the brain (in the womb). The level of this hormone also influences a region in the brain that is related to your tendency to aggression. There are of course two factors that are more dominant and these are (1) personal experience (aggressive father, …) and (2) the level of testosterone production.
If you introduce an aggressive male character, it does not exclude any sexual orientation a priori. However if you provide background information and traits that exclude (1) and (2), a universe where this character is gay is not believable. This applies of course to every trait; A character whose internal organs are mirrored is perfectly fine unless his smell is excellent and he has a huge amount of children.
Believable to who ? biologists, or the great majority of the palyers who have not such specialized knowledge.
Now of course homosexuality have biological causes and all that, but we are talking about a written character, and a written character is not build to be a case study on a biology class, but to feel human, and that "feel" is a blend of physics, personal history, likes, dislikes, struggles, all of which talks more to a person that precise scientific studies, no matter how spot on they are.
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Uhhh I would NOT say that. You are going to aggravate a lot of people.
I'll probably regret this but:
Why?
Uh, why not? Along with my other suggestions, it's just one more way to bring up a character's trait without making it a big deal within the game world.
Uhhh I would NOT say that. You are going to aggravate a lot of people.
I would say that this has to be said in every related topic. The biological process that determines ones sexual orientation influences certain traits and is correlated with several other traits. But apparently, people from both sides are very happy with the big black sexual orientation box. Lack of knowledge makes it very easy to make BS statements like "it is impossible that Morrigan is Bi". On the other hand some people are obsessed with the notion that sexual orientation has no influence at all on someones personality.
I would say that this has to be said in every related topic. The biological process that determines ones sexual orientation influences certain traits and is correlated with several other traits. But apparently, people from both sides are very happy with the big black sexual orientation box. Lack of knowledge makes it very easy to make BS statements like "it is impossible that Morrigan is Bi". On the other hand some people are obsessed with the notion that sexual orientation has no influence at all on someones personality.
Okay I'll bit. I'm going to treat you like an intellectual, I want you to give me THREE properly cited, peer reviewed articles that state this and then I'll consider your opinion.
The reason I'm doing this is because you are making A lot of scientific assumptions, the thread so far has been sociological and opiniative in its nature.
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