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[pallascedar]

I don't read the books; I neither have the time nor patience to read any novels when I'd rather devote what free time I do have to other activities besides playing Dragon Age, like exercise, drawing, watching tv, surfing the net for other topics of interest, and, believe it or not, playing other games.  Outside of this thread, I've barely devoted any time at all to the forum or anywhere else the online community exists.  The only other place I regularly go for lore is the wiki, but even there I'm not taking the time to sift through every single article.  And no way in heck am I alone.

 

This is why I believe Mr. Gaider has left too big a gap by which he can possibly skate free without significant repercussions.  And I sincerely hope he (or anyone else) doesn't expect everyone who has played his games to devote even more time to reading the books, perusing the blogs, participating in the online community, and going anywhere else where all this info exists.

 

And I'm not even suggesting that Mr. Gaider will take advantage of that gap.  But if he sincerely wants as many people as possible to discover and accept what he has decided on (particularly stuff brought up in-game), he really should commit to it where the consumers are most concentrated, where it really counts the most: the games.

 

I don't think Mr. Gaider really cares whether or not people know for sure what sexuality Anders is. Anders is bi, and if people really needed to know it Anders would have told them.

[razmatazz]

I don't think Mr. Gaider really cares whether or not people know for sure what sexuality Anders is. Anders is bi, and if people really needed to know it Anders would have told them.

 

Well if that's the case, then that's the kind of arrogant, disrespectful attitude that hardly encourages people to spend their money on his product, now isn't it.  **Sigh** Fine...

[daveliam]

How exactly have we come to a place where people are speaking for Gaider and his intentions?  Let's try to stay focused and try not to speak for anyone but ourselves unless we are linking to someone's words or quoting someone directly.

[umadcommander]

should the world merely bend at the players slightest touch? things like the gender and race you choose should effect the game in more than just superficial ways, there is a fine line between giving everyone what they want and just being lazy, still this is a rather small section of the game in retrospect but it does seem to get put under the most scutiny by everyone

[pallascedar]

Well if that's the case, then that's the kind of arrogant, disrespectful attitude that hardly encourages people to spend their money on his product, now isn't it.  **Sigh** Fine...

Eh, that wasn't my point. My point is that Anders' sexuality doesn't really matter that much in the context of the story. If it was important it would have been addressed in the story. Though I'm not a fan of Rowling's Dumbledore reveal for unrelated reasons reasons, I kinda liken it to that a little bit: the writer wrote the character with a sexuality in mind. For some reason people weren't clear about this character's sexuality and the writer clarified. Claiming that he didn't care was going too far of me, and I should have phrased my post differently.

[razmatazz]

How exactly have we come to a place where people are speaking for Gaider and his intentions?  Let's try to stay focused and try not to speak for anyone but ourselves unless we are linking to someone's words or quoting someone directly.

 

You guys are the ones speaking for him.  I'm merely questioning his intent.  If he wishes to set the record straight and prove people like me wrong, he'll find the most inclusive way to do so.  It's all about being inclusive, right?

 

I just hope y'all recognize that my whole (very lengthy) participation in this discussion was a sincere attempt to provide suggestions and help make the games even better.  Otherwise, so be it.

[razmatazz]

Eh, that wasn't my point. My point is that Anders' sexuality doesn't really matter that much in the context of the story. If it was important it would have been addressed in the story. Though I'm not a fan of Rowling's Dumbledore reveal for unrelated reasons reasons, I kinda liken it to that a little bit: the writer wrote the character with a sexuality in mind. For some reason people weren't clear about this character's sexuality and the writer clarified. Claiming that he didn't care was going too far of me, and I should have phrased my post differently.

 

It does matter (to me at least) if it's brought up.  People don't have romantic feelings for others unless sexual preference plays a part.  The existance of the romances, more so when the possibility is initiated by the LIs, brings up the issue of preference.  If it wasn't brought up, I'd agree that I wouldn't need to know.  I don't remember how many times I've stressed this in my previous posts.

[pallascedar]

It does matter (to me at least) if it's brought up.  People don't have romantic feelings for others unless sexual preference plays a part.  The existance of the romances, more so when the possibility is initiated by the LIs, brings up preference.  I agree that I don't need to know.  I don't remember how many times I've stressed this in my previous posts.

 

Oh okay, I just joined the thread so I wouldn't know . Of course it's important that the LI makes their interest in the character known, but I don't think it matters beyond that. (And I guess you'd agree with me )

[razmatazz]

Oh okay, I just joined the thread so I wouldn't know . Of course it's important that the LI makes their interest in the character known, but I don't think it matters beyond that. (And I guess you'd agree with me )

 

Just in case you missed it, I actually edited my post before you posted your reply.

[Divine Justinia V]

Well if that's the case, then that's the kind of arrogant, disrespectful attitude that hardly encourages people to spend their money on his product, now isn't it.  **Sigh** Fine...

 

How is that arrogant?

[Mockingword]

Well if that's the case, then that's the kind of arrogant, disrespectful attitude that hardly encourages people to spend their money on his product, now isn't it.  **Sigh** Fine...

It's the kind of arrogant, disrespectful attitude most people in real life take regarding their own sexuality, I find.

[razmatazz]

How is that arrogant?

 

**Sigh** I don't know if Mr. Gaider's that arrogant or not.  He may very well not be.  I hope I've been making that clear.  But the impression I've been getting here lately is that he doesn't feel he has the responsibility to interact with his fans and provide the info necessary to help everyone understand and enjoy his story in the most efficient way, the most inclusive way, possible.  It's like he just spreads the word to his most devoted followers and sends them to do all the talking for him.  It's akin to a waiter withholding your food and telling you to come to him because he can't be bothered to provide the service expected of him.  And I'm starting to become increasingly insulted by that vibe, to the point that I'm actually starting to reconsider buying Inquisition and any subsequent projects Mr. Gaider might produce afterward.  And there doesn't seem to be many people holding him accountable.  And if he really doesn't care, that's fine; I won't make a big deal out of it.  I'll just withhold my money and move on.  Beyond that, you can just read some of the latest posts, including mine, if you really wanna know why I'm feeling that way.

[daveliam]

**Sigh** I don't know if Mr. Gaider's that arrogant or not.  He may very well not be.  I hope I've been making that clear.  But the impression I've been getting here lately is that he doesn't feel he has the responsibility to interact with his fans and provide the info necessary to help everyone understand and enjoy his story in the most efficient way possible.  It's like he just spreads the word to his most devoted followers and sends them to do all the talking for him.  It's akin to a waiter withholding your food and telling you to come to him because he can't be bothered to provide the service expected of him.  And I'm starting to become increasingly insulted by that vibe, to the point that I'm actually starting to reconsider buying Inquisition and any subsequent projects Mr. Gaider might produce.  And if he really doesn't care, that's fine; I won't make a big deal out of it.  I'll just withhold my money and move on.

 

I think you are taking this waaaay too seriously.  The Dragon Age series is a multi-media franchise:  console games, flash games, novels, anime, comic books, and an online community.  You are engaging in two of those media:  the video games and the online community.  You made a statement about a character and someone provided you with evidence from another one of the media that refuted what you said.  That evidence happened to have come from the writer's blog.  You have somehow twisted this into some pretty bold attacks against the writer, who, in his defense, hasn't even been in this conversation. 

 

If you choose to only follow one part of the franchise, you can't very well get mad when don't have the full story.  And, with that, I think I'm bowing out of this conversation because it's starting to get too off topic for my interest.

[Darth Krytie]

**Sigh** I don't know if Mr. Gaider's that arrogant or not.  He may very well not be.  I hope I've been making that clear.  But the impression I've been getting here lately is that he doesn't feel he has the responsibility to interact with his fans and provide the info necessary to help everyone understand and enjoy his story in the most efficient way possible.  It's like he just spreads the word to his most devoted followers and sends them to do all the talking for him.  It's akin to a waiter withholding your food and telling you to come to him because he can't be bothered to provide the service expected of him.  And I'm starting to become increasingly insulted by that vibe, to the point that I'm actually starting to reconsider buying Inquisition and any subsequent projects Mr. Gaider might produce afterward.  And there doesn't seem to be many people holding him responsible.  And if he really doesn't care, that's fine; I won't make a big deal out of it.  I'll just withhold my money and move on.  Beyond that, you can just read some of the latest posts, including mine, if you really wanna know why I'm feeling that way.

 

Dude, you can just go look at his tumblr, which isn't hidden under a secret name or only available to his seekrit speshul fans. It's out there and it talks about all this stuff.

[A Crusty Knight Of Colour]

I don't have an issue with homosexual, bi sexual or transgendered characters or the like.

 

But if BioWare wishes to be taken seriously as a storyteller, they need to detach themselves from elements that encourages the audience to demand childish power fantasy wish fulfilment such as player-sexuality and this notion of romance as a buffet where you pick your very own Bond Girl/Guy without any relevance to the game's main narrative or overarching themes.

 

I'm sorry, but if you want that, you'd be better off playing a dating sim. It's not all high school harems anymore, there are dating sims out there that are roughly equivalent to BioWare in terms of story and gameplay. 

 

www.winterwolves.com

[razmatazz]

You have somehow twisted this into some pretty bold attacks against the writer, who, in his defense, hasn't even been in this conversation. 

 

 

Uh, well what's he waiting for?  I realize he may just be busy, but when it comes to issues about people receiving the respect they deserve and money, you'd think it be a little too important to just dismiss.

 

Dude, you can just go look at his tumblr, which isn't hidden under a secret name or only available to his seekrit speshul fans. It's out there and it talks about all this stuff.

 

No, I really can't.  I have too many other things to do with what limited free time I have.  And, in any case, I don't think I should be expected to do so.

[Jeremiah12LGeek]

It changes the character.  Change is not necessarily harm.

 

 

What you are describing is called "retcon."

 

Telling me that repeatedly doing that to a character doesn't harm them isn't going to convince me of anything.

[razmatazz]

Oh look, see?  I'm not alone.

[Fast Jimmy]

Uh, well what's he waiting for?  I realize he may just be busy, but when it comes to issues about people receiving the respect they deserve and money, you'd think it be a little too important to just dismiss.

 

 

No, I really can't.  I have too many other things to do with what limited free time I have.  And, in any case, I don't think I should be expected to do so.

 

Are you asking a Lead Writer for a video game series due out in less than nine months to pay attention to every forum thread where a fan could make a demand for clarification and, in the same breath, saying you don't have time to check a website?

 

...do you not see the slightly ironic nature of those two statements?

[Darth Krytie]

Uh, well what's he waiting for?  I realize he may just be busy, but when it comes to issues about people receiving the respect they deserve and money, you'd think it be a little too important to just dismiss.

 

 

No, I really can't.  I have too many other things to do with what limited free time I have.  And, in any case, I don't think I should be expected to do so.

 

For one, he's not the only writer on the team. For two, he's probably busy making the game right now. For three, he's chimed in on this subject numerous times already. Just because there's a new thread, he's not obliged to rehash old ground that he's already clarified just because you don't have the time to check for it. For four, while it's nice, he really doesn't owe us his time on this board at all. For five, part of the reason he stays away is because people like you who act like they have an axe to grind against him for things he hasn't said or done. For six, once more, he's already commented on this very topic numerous times in its former iterations.

[SirGladiator]

It's hard to cover new ground on the subject at this point, obviously the bottom line is what's most fun, and what is most fun is maximum freedom for the players.  If you want restrictions on who your character can or cannot romance, you're free to impose them on yourself, and you can have all the fun you want doing that.  If you want to impose them on other players then you're not trying to make the game more fun for you, you're just trying to make the game less fun for other people, and that's not a good thing.  Giving players the freedom to decide for themselves, as in DA2, means that everyone is a winner, as they get to play the game in the way they find the most fun, it's just a win-win all the way around.

[ImperatorMortis]

I'm kind of against the idea of playersexual characters, The whole concept seems kind of disgusting. A normally heterosexual male or female shouldn't magically become bisexual just because "you're just that cool". 

 

The whole idea that everyone's(or in this case all your companions) gonna have the hots for your seems really juvenile. Like something out of a 14 year old girls self insert fanfiction.

[Divine Justinia V]

I feel like if we're going to start attacking David Gaider, who has done nothing wrong, it's probably time to put this baby to bed. I think this thread has exhausted itself.

[AlanC9]

**Sigh** I don't know if Mr. Gaider's that arrogant or not.  He may very well not be.  I hope I've been making that clear.  But the impression I've been getting here lately is that he doesn't feel he has the responsibility to interact with his fans and provide the info necessary to help everyone understand and enjoy his story in the most efficient way, the most inclusive way, possible.  It's like he just spreads the word to his most devoted followers and sends them to do all the talking for him.  It's akin to a waiter withholding your food and telling you to come to him because he can't be bothered to provide the service expected of him.  And I'm starting to become increasingly insulted by that vibe, to the point that I'm actually starting to reconsider buying Inquisition and any subsequent projects Mr. Gaider might produce afterward.  And there doesn't seem to be many people holding him accountable.  And if he really doesn't care, that's fine; I won't make a big deal out of it.  I'll just withhold my money and move on.  Beyond that, you can just read some of the latest posts, including mine, if you really wanna know why I'm feeling that way.

We're supposed to hold him accountable for not coming in to your thread and answering your questions?