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[CybAnt1]

And this bothered anybody? 

 

I think she's just the classic lusty pirate lass, a pretty old trope. She just advertises her sexual swagger, which seems to me she would do even if she was exclusively heterosexual. 

[Ryzaki]

I doubt it XD

 

Yep that she would.

[CybAnt1]

I doubt it XD

 

 

Yet it appears to have bothered DW, who I was really hoping for some clarification from. 

 

Because maybe he also meant something else bothered him, but he (?) didn't say. 

[GVulture]

Outside of Isabela, who from DA 2 wore their bisexuality on their t-shirts?  Anders was bisexual, but it's not like they were super explicit about it and it really requires you to have multiple playthroughs and/or to read Gaider's comments on him to confirm it.  Fenris and Merrill absolutely do not make their sexuality known.  In fact, that's caused people here to even doubt that they were bisexual.

 

To be honest, outside of Isabela, it sounds to me like DA 2 did exactly what you are asking for.

Exactly. If you need Word of God confirming that someone is bi/straight/het/a/pan/whatever then they're sexuality wasn't an issue in the first place. As far as I can recall, the only characters that "flaunted" anything was Zev and Isabela and that was because it was just an extension of OTHER aspects of their personality. They're also the only ones that flirt without provocation. It always flabbergasted me when I read people complaining about ANDERS putting the moves on them because I was all... "Dude only comes at you if you select the giant pink heart option". So... confused there too. =p

[GVulture]

 

She makes it pretty blatant in some of her banters with Bethany. So if you had Carver you might've missed it.

 

• Bethany: So you've... been with women. In bed?
• Isabela: I know. Shocking, isn't it?
• Isabela: You see, sweetness, men are only good for one thing. Women are good for six.
• Bethany: Six? Which six?
• Hawke: Isabela!
• Isabela: (Laughs)

 

• Bethany: I guess you've been with a lot of men.
• Isabela: Men. Women. Elves. A dwarf in drag once, but I don't recommend that.
• Bethany: Oh.
• Isabela: Aw... you're blushing! Why? How many lovers have you had?
• Bethany: I-I never—
• Isabela: You're a virgin? Hawke, you've been holding out on the poor girl! Get her a night at the Blooming Rose. On me!
• Bethany: That's, um, very generous.
• Isabela: I'm a giver.

 

If I recall she has quite a few of those with Merrill as well. Though I could just be recalling her "don't sleep with the crew" rule.

[Rainbow Wyvern]

Exactly. If you need Word of God confirming that someone is bi/straight/het/a/pan/whatever then they're sexuality wasn't an issue in the first place. As far as I can recall, the only characters that "flaunted" anything was Zev and Isabela and that was because it was just an extension of OTHER aspects of their personality. They're also the only ones that flirt without provocation. It always flabbergasted me when I read people complaining about ANDERS putting the moves on them because I was all... "Dude only comes at you if you select the giant pink heart option". So... confused there too. =p

Actually, I believe Anders 'puts the moves on' Hawke even if you just click 2 of the 'Diplomatic' dialogue options, not a heart.

 

Still doesn't excuse their whining over it, though. People misrepresent sympathy and niceness as interest all the time. 

[oceanicsurvivor]

Just having it done naturally, not forced. Like someone else said, I don't want characters to be wearing "I'm a raging bisexual" on their t-shirts. Making sexuality not a big deal, just having certain characters have certain preferences, would be great. It's really not a big deal.

 

Making sexuality not a big deal...Varric's manly chest hair gets more mentions then most of the LI's sexualities do.

 

No one in the game makes a big deal of sexuality. All the deal making happens on this end.

[GVulture]

Actually, I believe Anders 'puts the moves on' Hawke even if you just click 2 of the 'Diplomatic' dialogue options, not a heart.

 

Still doesn't excuse their whining over it, though. People misrepresent sympathy and niceness as interest all the time. 

Maybe I never noticed that because I always clicked that heart option that made him jump on Hawke because well... dayum ((even though I always romance Fenris)).

[Ryzaki]

Actually, I believe Anders 'puts the moves on' Hawke even if you just click 2 of the 'Diplomatic' dialogue options, not a heart.

 

Still doesn't excuse their whining over it, though. People misrepresent sympathy and niceness as interest all the time. 

 

Yep.

 

But honestly? Being nice to an overly needy person who just got out of a relationship and is desperate for human companionship? Has a chance of getting you hit on so I'm not sure why this is treated as something shocking. (this in general not directed towards you kitty).

 

Pick the damn snarky options. No flirt. Overly nice Hawke is a damned bore to play anyway.

[Ispan]

But honestly? Being nice to an overly needy person who just got out of a relationship and is desperate for human companionship? Has a chance of getting you hit on so I'm not sure why this is treated as something shocking. (this in general not directed towards you kitty).

 

Oh my goodness this has happened to me too many times to count   I guess that's why I didn't bat an eyelash when he launched at me.

[Darth Krytie]

A lot of guys take the lack of open hostility as a 'go ahead' signal, at least in my experience. So, yeah, Anders rang true for me.

[CybAnt1]

Hmmm. It always comes down to Anders, and the fact that he will hit on a guy.

 

Doesn't it?

 

I mean, come on people, this is what you mean by forced, unnatural, wearing it on his shirt, or whatever else; right?

 

Is it not when he does it to a femHawke?

[GVulture]

A lot of guys take the lack of open hostility as a 'go ahead' signal, at least in my experience. So, yeah, Anders rang true for me.

*Hohohoho* Oh my. Very true.

[Hiemoth]

Hmmm. It always comes down to Anders, and the fact that he will hit on a guy.

 

Doesn't it?

 

I mean, come on people, this is what you mean by forced, unnatural, wearing it on his shirt, or whatever else; right?

 

Is it not when he does it to a femHawke?

 

You know, I just wanted to say I agree with your point here. Or I think I agree, if I understand your point correctly, and it is one of the things that constantly confuses me in the Anders hitting on Hawke discussion.

 

Anders hits on both male and female versions of Hawke, yet it is only apparently a horrifying thing if you are playing the male version of the character. Even the responses are the same, with femHawke taking the exact same relationship hit if she turns him down.

 

In addition, I am puzzled by the backlash against that, because I could have sworn I saw a lot of discussion about how people wanted more proactive romance interests, who actually express their interests to the character. Yet when that LI does it to both genders, it's a mystifying thing beyond all things. Unlike when Isabella does, when it is just who she is.

[Allan Schumacher]

I don't like the suggestions of making Dragon Age a sexual power fantasy, and suggestions like this do just that. "Make the characters love me no matter who I am". No. I'd rather see fleshed out characters. Characters with their own preferences, their wants, their desires, their sexual tastes, their romantic tastes, not just a bunch of pansexual "Sex EVERYTHING (as long as it's the player!)" people.

 
I don't think this is actually the case.  It's only "make the characters love me no matter who I am" if this, on top of a lot of other things, is what happens.
 
If the love interests have their own characteristics that they consider deal breakers to a romance, then we effectively avoid "Make the characters love me no matter who I am."  Dragon Age 2 DOES have this problem, but it's more about what actions the love interests are willing to tolerate as opposed to whether or no the love interests are available to a particular combination of sex/race/gender.
 
 
 
 

But while yeah, having them be bisexual is good from a technical standpoint since it means you won't be stuck with an unlikeable character (cough cough, Isabela, cough cough), it still feels weird in a story/plot/character sense.

 
Why does it feel weird, though?  Is it because of your own expectations on how frequently something like this should occur, drawing upon your own personal experiences in a game world that is different from our own reality?
 
From there, if we acknowledge that the realities are different, is it actually a problem if sexual orientations are much less of an issue in this reality compared to our own?  If so, why?

While I agree, I can't help but feel like it's just pandering. "Here, welcome to our world of lovey-dovey kindness where you'll be accepted for who you are! Everyone who comes with you will be bisexual and tolerant of you!"

It's a perfect world, but not a real one. It's not a major issue, but if I have all of my companions hitting on me at random intervals in the story, it's going to get irritating. Are we running an adventure party or a sex caravan? Why not have companions like Aveline, who are already romantically involved and turn down the PC? I know bisexual people are no more or less promiscuous than straights or gays, but still, having everyone pronounce themselves bisexual and go for the PC to make the actual player feel accepted just seems weird. Having all characters be gay or all characters be straight wouldn't be good either, but I think there should be a balance. Some characters should just not be into your chosen gender or race.

From a technical standpoint though I totally agree. Having multiple romanceable characters for both genders definitely fixes the issue of "I don't like this character, but he/she is the only one for my chosen gender and sexual preference".

As you point out, not even Dragon Age 2 satisfies the "all my companions hitting on me at random intervals in the story."

It's also important to note that a character is only romanceable if we make it so. It's fundamentally impossible to choose to pursue a romance with any character of your choosing.

[laudable11]

Hopefully our companions can hook up with each other. It was pretty awesome to witness this in ME3. 

[Blackrising]

Hopefully our companions can hook up with each other. It was pretty awesome to witness this in ME3. 

 

For you, maybe. I still have the urge to shove a shotgun up Garrus' ass...and then pull the trigger.

That whole scene was probably the saddest (and not good sad either) in all of the three games. My poor FemShep hasn't been the same since.

 

I've never been a fan of having to witness romance I did not actively ask for, anyway. (It's a problem. I have to ragequit basically every piece of media ever, because the forced romance stories annoy me so much.)

[laudable11]

Love triangles?

[Blackrising]

Love triangles?

 

Nah, they tend to seem like cheap plot devices.
Plus, I think Bioware romances got more than enough drama without adding another person to it. xD

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I like the romances between other companions. It makes them seem more real to me. I really like seeing them develop relationships with each other, just of any kind. It makes sense that these people would form bonds and develop romances after all the time we spend together, rather than everyone only ever communicating with the PC.

[Vapaa]

I like the romances between other companions. It makes them seem more real to me.

 

The Tali/Garrus thing was the most pathetic romance-related thing I've ever saw, it's so utterly out of nowhere between two characters you barely see interacting...but they're togheter cause they're both fan favorite (see ? "cheapening" NPCs is totally irrevelant to so called "playersexuality). That said, it was just an another step on the "bending the characters to appease the fanbase" nonsense Tali and Garrus suffered since ME2.

 

I'm all for romance between companions, if it makes sense; it made for Joker/EDI because they intereact all the time (and Joker was already shipsexual even before ME2), and it would make sense for say Varric and Cassandra, but if they suddently pull

[Nocte ad Mortem]

The Tali/Garrus thing was the most pathetic romance-related thing I've ever saw, it's so utterly out of nowhere between two characters you barely see interacting...but they're togheter cause they're both fan favorite (see ? "cheapening" NPCs is totally irrevelant to so called "playersexuality). That said, it was just an another step on the "bending the characters to appease the fanbase" nonsense Tali and Garrus suffered since ME2.

 

I'm all for romance between companions, if it makes sense; it made for Joker/EDI because they intereact all the time (and Joker was already shipsexual even before ME2), and it would make sense for say Varric and Cassandra, but if they suddently pull

I don't really remember it, I'll be honest. I was more thinking about the instances I saw of character interaction between DA2 companions. Isabela/Fenris possibility, Aveline and Isabela becoming friends, Anders telling Varric stories in the pub. It doesn't even have to be romances, I just love seeing your companions interacting in ways that don't always hinge on the PC character. It was one of the changes in DA2 that I thought was really awesome. 

[Zazzerka]

The Tali/Garrus thing was the most pathetic romance-related thing I've ever saw, it's so utterly out of nowhere between two characters you barely see interacting...

 

Yeah, besides working together, and constantly going into battle side-by-side for several years, they hardly know each other.

[Vapaa]

Yeah, besides working together, and constantly going into battle side-by-side for several years, they hardly know each other.

 

Or do they ? you can skip Garrus in ME1, or never have them both on your team in the 3 games.

Their only significant interaction in ME2 is on the Citadel and it's hardly mating reason mood.

[Zazzerka]

Or do they ? you can skip Garrus in ME1, or never have them both on your team in the 3 games.

Their only significant interaction in ME2 is on the Citadel and it's hardly mating reason mood.

 

That's the thing with Mass Effect, it assumes a lot. It assumes Wrex was with you on Noveria, and that Garrus "pulled you out of the fire" on Virmire and Ilos.

 

Are you sure this isn't just because you're a Talimancer and you feel like Garrus is trying to muscle in on your action?