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[Nocte ad Mortem]

I didn't know it either until I went online and read about it. I was surprised too. In hindsight, Saemus using of the word "friend" might be simply because he was not entirely comfortable about revealing that they were a couple, especially to his father, regardless of how rebellious he is. Although he does say, if you question him, that 'friend' is not exactly the right word for relationship, but he's a bit vague about it. Anyway, it would still have been preferable if they depicted their relationship in a way that didn't require creator confrimation.

 

That also reminds me, by the way- Leliana does describe Marjolaine as her "mentor and friend", but while you can explain her saying that she loved her as referring to a platonic/friendship or student-to-mentor love, everything about their interaction in Leliana's Song is very romantic, or at the very least, heavily flirtatious.

I thought Leliana's relationship with Marjolaine definitely could have also been made more clear. Hespith and Branka really are the only characters I can remember that were very up front about their same-sex relationship inside the games. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I agree, I like the way you explained it, too. Couldn't have said it better myself.

 

That's the thing with these games, it's all really down to interpretation on your game, your choices. I don't think a lot of people respect that, though.

Thank you.

 

And yeah, just because something is the case in one game universe doesn't mean it is in all of them. The only time that happens is when there is no choice in the game. For instance, Cailan dying at Ostagar is a universal truth of the Dragon Age universe.

[Lambdadelta]

Well, all I have to say is that I'm all for the next game having DA2's system and all romances being free for both genders. And that I'll be even happier if they make them all explicitly bisexual, because it's probably going to ****** off the homophobes, and anything that does that is more than fine by me, but I won't hold them to that or anything.

 

But, I admit, I'm just taking it for granted that they were confirmed a couple based on the previous poster. If that's not the case, none of this really matters. 

 

We should probably move away from this subject, but give me a moment-- I'll see if I can find the post where I clearly remember the confirmation about Saemus and Ashaad. (One thing I remember is that it was on the old forum, which I never actually joined. ETA: There's confirmation here from Gaider that Saemus is at the very least, not straight, which is close enough? My original point stands never the less.

[Divine Justinia V]

I'm just grateful f!Hawke didn't get shafted in the romance department like f!Shepard did in ME3. I don't care if it's "playersexual" or not, it's a huge improvement.

[oceanicsurvivor]

Overall, I approve of it. I get the complaints, but I disagree with every one of them on the simple premise that the game is alternate universe depending on the player.

 

For example, I side with Bhelen. Others may side with Harrowmont. Does that mean both rule Orzammar? No. In my universe, Bhelen rules it. In their universe, Harrowmont rules it. Both are right without both having to be true.

 

Same with character sexuality. I view Merrill as straight. Others view her as lesbian. Does that mean she is both? No. In my universe, she is straight. In their universe, she is lesbian. Both are right without both having to be true.

 

Same exact principle. 

 

I like the alternate universe outlook in that it definitely makes the idea of a 'canon' irrelevenat. However, Bhelen and Harrowmont can't both be king, but Merrill can express both same and opposite sex attraction, one does not 'x out' the other. It doesn't have to be an either or because bisexuality exists, along with pansexuality, and the concept of sexual fluidity. (And to be clear, I'm just as uncomfortable with the idea of her being percieved as straight as I am with her being percieved as a lesbian).

 

I'm curious, did you use Merrill in your example because her sexuality is probably the least discussed in game?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm just grateful f!Hawke didn't get shafted in the romance department like f!Shepard did in ME3. I don't care if it's "playersexual" or not, it's a huge improvement.

If you wanted to play as a gay male, you didn't get any options until the last game, one of which could die and the other of which wasn't a real party member, so I'd say the "playersexuality" method is definitely an improvement on that. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I like the alternate universe outlook in that it definitely makes the idea of a 'canon' irrelevenat. However, Bhelen and Harrowmont can't both be king, but Merrill can express both same and opposite sex attraction, one does not 'x out' the other. It doesn't have to be an either or because bisexuality exists, along with pansexuality, and the concept of sexual fluidity. (And to be clear, I'm just as uncomfortable with the idea of her being percieved as straight as I am with her being percieved as a lesbian).

 

I'm curious, did you use Merrill in your example because her sexuality is probably the least discussed in game?

That is very true. She can indeed be both. I just had it as she can be one or the other without it having to be both to show the basic principle. I realized that mistake in my original typing of that so I changed it to put the possibility of middle ground in there.

 

And no, while you bring up a good point I used Merrill simply because I love Merrill. 

[Darth Krytie]

That is very true. She can indeed be both. I just had it as she can be one or the other without it having to be both to show the basic principle. I realized that mistake in my original typing of that so I changed it to put the possibility of middle ground in there.

 

And no, while you bring up a good point I used Merrill simply because I love Merrill. 

 

I'm all for being able to headcanon what you like, which is why I don't necessarily mind that SOME of the romances options have vague sexuality. I just hope they never have the LI themselves state a preference that changes based on what gender you pick. That would bother me.

[Ryzaki]

I'm all for being able to headcanon what you like, which is why I don't necessarily mind that SOME of the romances options have vague sexuality. I just hope they never have the LI themselves state a preference that changes based on what gender you pick. That would bother me.

Yeah that to me would actually be the whole "PC changing people's preferences cause gender." thing.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm all for being able to headcanon what you like, which is why I don't necessarily mind that SOME of the romances options have vague sexuality. I just hope they never have the LI themselves state a preference that changes based on what gender you pick. That would bother me.

Yeah, better to either leave it vague, like Merrill, or have them obviously like both genders, like Isabela. 

[Divine Justinia V]

I just don't understand why it matters if I view Merrill as straight in my game? It's my canon. Why does it matter to anyone else?

 

I'm using her only because it's whom was already mentioned.

[Darth Krytie]

I just don't understand why it matters if I view Merrill as straight in my game? It's my canon. Why does it matter to anyone else?

 

I'm using her only because it's whom was already mentioned.

 

Strangest thing...I have no preference on how other people play their games and how they enjoy their content. Well, that's a lie. I think people who use mods to make Isabela white are gross. Other than that, I don't give a damn how other people enjoy their games.

 

It doesn't matter. I think it only matters whether or not you can ACTUALLY make Merrill straight or gay by ticking a box. Instead of keeping her sexuality vague like how it ended up being.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'm fine with some characters being left vague so that people can headcannon whatever sexuality they want for them. I don't think it really hurts anyone else. As long as the game is inclusive and representative, generally, I don't think we really need to squabble over one or two characters left vague for those that want to headcannon the existence of possible mono-sexuality love interests. Whether it's for "immersion" or whatever other motive, it affects me literally not at all.  

[Divine Justinia V]

Strangest thing...I have no preference on how other people play their games and how they enjoy their content. Well, that's a lie. I think people who use mods to make Isabela white are gross. Other than that, I don't give a damn how other people enjoy their games.

 

It doesn't matter. I think it only matters whether or not you can ACTUALLY make Merrill straight or gay by ticking a box. Instead of keeping her sexuality vague like how it ended up being.

 

but you can't, right?

 

like, this whole thread confuses me because I feel like either way no one will be completely happy but I just don't see the problem. Anders was my only issue because I didn't like that, unless I played as a male, I'd never know he was bi. In my games, he was straight.

[Darth Krytie]

but you can't, right?

 

like, this whole thread confuses me because I feel like either way no one will be completely happy but I just don't see the problem. Anders was my only issue because I didn't like that, unless I played as a male, I'd never know he was bi. In my games, he was straight.

 

I can guarantee you one hundred percent that not everyone will be completely happy with anything ever in the history of the world least of all however the Devs decide to make the romances.

[Hazegurl]

I just don't understand why it matters if I view Merrill as straight in my game? It's my canon. Why does it matter to anyone else?

 

I'm using her only because it's whom was already mentioned.

Based on my canon gameplay. I see Anders as 100% gay, Fenris is demi, Merrill is straight, Isabella is bi, Varric is straight, Sebastian is straight, Carver is straight.  I don't get why anyone would bother getting upset over how someone head canons their play through in a game that offers choices. 

[mars_central]

I believe I stated my preference for deliberate vagueness, using Merrill as the best example, way back. Really, Isabela and Merrill are both good examples of what I'd like to see in the future. What would bother me is if their history changed to suit the player. For example, a female PC hears their LI talk about an ex girlfriend while a male PC gets to hear about an ex boyfriend and it's clear that's the same person who changes gender with the PC. The only problem with that is that it does create a challenge for the writers to create someone who doesn't feel as naive and innocent as both Merrill and Liara felt, though that might be as much a case of how they are portrayed by their actors.

[The Antagonist]

I'm just grateful f!Hawke didn't get shafted in the romance department like f!Shepard did in ME3. I don't care if it's "playersexual" or not, it's a huge improvement.

lol "shafted in the romance department"

[Rawgrim]

Immersion is, in my opinion, a pretty meaningless word that is overused.  In general people seem to apply it to "I don't like this."  In that, when something "ruins their immersion" it's simply a matter of "they don't like it."  I actually don't know what you're referring to when you say that "it's all about immersion."

 

 

Given that Tali and Garrus' romance was building throughout the game, finding them actually together by the end doesn't strike me as "immersion breaking" unless we're using different definitions of what "immersion" means (and most people do use different definitions).

 

 

I`d have to disagreee that immersion is meaningless - especially when it comes to roleplaying games. Part of an rpg`s job is to fully immerse a player into a fictional world, after all. So when something suddenly pops up in game, that completely goes against the Lore, or common sense, people will dislike it (mostly). So, yes, people will use the immersion argument when they really dislike something related to that. I fully confess being very guilty of "that crime" myself, on many occations.

 

As for this topic. I would wish an equal amount of love interests for gay players, bi players, and straight players. What I wouldn`t like though, is love interests being interested in me n matter what gender I am, simply because I am the player. It feels very off. Still, a "player sexual" feature isn`t immersion breaking untill the second playthrough, so it is not that big a deal either.

[KaiserShep]

To be fair, unless you "play the field" among companions, it might take even more than a second playthrough to figure out just how open the companions are in the first place and of course depending on the companions you actually like. In DA:O, if you favor Zevran and Leliana, a female Warden can pursue the both of them, and then you can replay as a male and pursue them both again.

[Rawgrim]

Quite true. But if you try and do all the conversations in the game, an NPC will hit on you eventually.

[KaiserShep]

Yeah I suppose that's true, though for me only Leliana's ever said anything, despite maxing out everyone's friendship rather quickly. I guess that's one of the benefits of not having paraphrase options. You know exactly what you're going to say.

[Gwydden]

Quite true. But if you try and do all the conversations in the game, an NPC will hit on you eventually.

Not necessarily, though it would be highly unlikely. I did trigger Zevran's romance without meaning to in my first run. In DA2 it really easy to avoid them, what with the really big heart icon.

 

All in all, I don't get all the fuss about "playersexual" companions. I am surprised there is even a fuss at all.

[Rawgrim]

Not necessarily, though it would be highly unlikely. I did trigger Zevran's romance without meaning to in my first run. In DA2 it really easy to avoid them, what with the really big heart icon.

 

All in all, I don't get all the fuss about "playersexual" companions. I am surprised there is even a fuss at all.

 

The fuss is pretty much that it gives he player the "power" to pick sexualities for non player characters. Or that the player is some sexual Mary Sue.

 

That is it, really. Hardly the biggest issue with Dragon Age. Still, people think it could be handled differently, and still include everyone equally. If everyone is Player Sexual in DA:O, it certainly won`t keep me from buying the game.

[Divine Justinia V]

lol "shafted in the romance department"

I mean... she was..