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#4076
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Yeah, as someone from Italy, Dorian is definitely Mediterranean.

 

Makes sense if Tevinter is basically Rome.

That works too.

 

He could be a Spaniard as well.

 

I think Antiva is more based in Spain, and Tevinter in Italy. Im spanish, and actually italians and us we are basically very similar...

However, it seems the italian names such as "Vincento", were given to Antivan characters like Fenryel's father. So... who knows XD
 

 

If he's the gay LI and Iron Bull is the bi LI I would be so happy.

 

I think this is quite the case, yeah...

 

 

I asked earlier but it was buried quickly, but does anyone else think Redcliffe is where we recruit Dorian? 

 

Yes, without a doubt. This would be one of the first quests, where we are introduced to both Dorian and Leliana, and they join the Inquisition. Well, actually I think Cassandra would send you to rescue Leliana, since she was planning with Cassandra already in DA2, and it is Dorian the one who joins the Inquisition.

 

 

Hm, but Dorian's dialogue established that he was shocked at Alexius' actions - "what have you done?!", etc.

 

Doesn't sound at all like someone who was used to raising the dead at the drop of a hat, and he is meant to be a non-typical magister.

 

Exacly. I dont think Dorian has to be the Necromancer. Alexius just did nocromancy, or revived an undead, ok, but that is like Blood Magic old school evil stuff.

If Dorian was portraited like an Arcane Warrior before, it could make A LOT of sense for him to be the Knight Enchanter.

In this way, I would see Solas as necromancer and Vivienne as the rift mage. Or maybe Vivienne as necromancer, who says that is evil or filthy? Wouldt that be a twist..


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Assuming he is the mage Maevaris mentions, I'd go with the second. Or even both, perhaps he become renowned for it?

Perhaps. I still kind of want him to be that super powerful healer. It'd be such a nice contrast to perceived blood mage thing. And I'd bet that powerful healing magic might not be a necessarily welcomed skill set in Tevinter.



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Perhaps. I still kind of want him to be that super powerful healer. It'd be such a nice contrast to perceived blood mage thing. And I'd bet that powerful healing magic might not be a necessarily welcomed skill set in Tevinter.

Perhaps they'd view it as a waste of potential? Maybe that is why Alexius refers to Dorian as his 'final failure', Dorian using Alexius' twisted teachings to further his healing capabilities? 



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Perhaps they'd view it as a waste of potential? Maybe that is why Alexius refers to Dorian as his 'final failure', Dorian using Alexius' twisted teachings to further his healing capabilities? 

Ooh...if you think about it, what is necromancy but the manipulation of life, of animation? What if Dorian chose to heal instead of merely raising the dead?

 

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Ooh...if you think about it, what is necromancy but the manipulation of life, of animation? What if Dorian chose to heal instead of merely raising the dead?

 

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I would love it if our Tevinter Magister was a healer. It would go against everything we know about Tevinter culture, and would be very interesting. Plus, I always like to have a healer in the party. Whenever I'm a mage in DA I put a lot of points into healing.


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I would love it if our Tevinter Magister was a healer. It would go against everything we know about Tevinter culture, and would be very interesting. Plus, I always like to have a healer in the party. Whenever I'm a mage in DA I put a lot of points into healing.

 

OK, while I know the "healers" sent from Tevinter to the alienage were there for way worse reasons, the ruse wouldn't have worked even a tiny bit if Tevinter were perceived as some sort of weak-ass non-healer country. Healing is super powerful (duh), there's no reason to believe they don't value it.


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#4083
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I think Antiva is more based in Spain, and Tevinter in Italy. Im spanish, and actually italians and us we are basically very similar...

However, it seems the italian names such as "Vincento", were given to Antivan characters like Fenryel's father. So... who knows XD
 

 

 

I think this is quite the case, yeah...

 

 

 

Yes, without a doubt. This would be one of the first quests, where we are introduced to both Dorian and Leliana, and they join the Inquisition. Well, actually I think Cassandra would send you to rescue Leliana, since she was planning with Cassandra already in DA2, and it is Dorian the one who joins the Inquisition.

 

 

 

Exacly. I dont think Dorian has to be the Necromancer. Alexius just did nocromancy, or revived an undead, ok, but that is like Blood Magic old school evil stuff.

If Dorian was portraited like an Arcane Warrior before, it could make A LOT of sense for him to be the Knight Enchanter.

In this way, I would see Solas as necromancer and Vivienne as the rift mage. Or maybe Vivienne as necromancer, who says that is evil or filthy? Wouldt that be a twist..

Antiva is mostly supposed to be Italy circa middle ages.  It has merchant princes all vying for power, a thriving wine trade, and mostly Italian names.  Tevinter seems to be a combination of Rome, and their architecture and clothing, from what is available in World of Thedas, seems to be very asiatic with some Western accents.  It's an interesting combination. 



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I suppose that could be true. I always assumed that the Alienage was willing to accept them because they knew the Chantry wouldn't let the Circle help, but that's definitely another possibility.

 

I always saw the Tevinter version of power being who can cast the most ancient and powerful spells, rather than any particular branch. Healing could be a version of that, so long as it was like "fountain of youth" spells and whatnot. What I meant was, healing seems like such a compassionate branch of magic for a nation that is... not known for it's compassion.



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Arent we supposed to be able to spec our companions the way we want? Like make Iron Bull a sword and shield tank or two handed dps and same with the other warriors, and make Varric a dual wield or a archer. So wouldnt it be the same for mage companions? Dps and healer?

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Arent we supposed to be able to spec our companions the way we want? Like make Iron Bull a sword and shield tank or two handed dps and same with the other warriors, and make Varric a dual wield or a archer. So wouldnt it be the same for mage companions? Dps and healer?

Not necessarily. When they say that, I think that's just in the way we invest our spell/talent points, not what actual specialization our companions possess.



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I'd personally like to see healing magic used in an offense way. Being able to sever nerves or damage internal organs, things like that.

 

Granted, I highly doubt this could work as a talent tree, but I like the idea.  :P


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Oh, hey, maybe Meredith scared him so much that he's very afraid of women by now and switched sides.

I mean, look what the writers have done with Cat-Whistle-Anders to get the inclusivity-scales right.

 

And knowing the writers' sadistic side, it might be just-so Gaider to have him snicker mischeviously in front of his monitor. "And now that we told them that Cullen is in the game and is even a love interest, watch all the ladies squeal with glee. And then watch them when I tell them that he's turned gay..."  :D

 

LOL!  If that happened, I would squeal with glee for all of the lovely Cullenites who want to romance Cullen with a male character... and promptly begin creation of a male character of my own!  :lol:

 

I just popped in to say how happy I am for everyone here after yesterday's reveal!  Dorian looks like a great character,and I can't wait to meet him in-game! (Dorian...DHMG...He'll always be Fosse to me.  <3 Aaaand now I want to see him dance.  Perhaps he'll have some smooth moves at the ball, eh? :D )



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I hope we can dance with him, but I heard that we're crashing the ball to look for an assassin or something, which means we probably won't be able to dance or mingle.  :(


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I'd personally like to see healing magic used in an offense way. Being able to sever nerves or damage internal organs, things like that.

 

Granted, I highly doubt this could work as a talent tree, but I like the idea.  :P

NO. I WANT OFFENSIVE HEALING MAGIC.

 

 

Stopping hearts, internal bleeding, the works!


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I hope we can dance with him, but I heard that we're crashing the ball to look for an assassin or something, which means we probably won't be able to dance or mingle.  :(

Nah, we will have our dance! While the Inquisitor dances with their LI so as not to raise suspicions, Sera and Varric go snooping around.


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I suppose that could be true. I always assumed that the Alienage was willing to accept them because they knew the Chantry wouldn't let the Circle help, but that's definitely another possibility.

 

I always saw the Tevinter version of power being who can cast the most ancient and powerful spells, rather than any particular branch. Healing could be a version of that, so long as it was like "fountain of youth" spells and whatnot. What I meant was, healing seems like such a compassionate branch of magic for a nation that is... not known for it's compassion.

 

Well, to be fair, Dorian could take delight in not being what outsiders expect more than anything, and being good at healing (along with not being a blood drinking baby eater) would still probably fit the bill.

 

Healing can be compassionate, sure, but it is also very powerful and could absolutely be abused just like everything else. Imagine being the person who can purify poison and disease from people as he or she sees fit. There is absolutely room for abuse there. Just because you can cure that jerk that always opposes you at meetings's fatal disease doesn't mean you will out of the goodness of your heart. It gives you the power to whoops, sorry, my rival is dead OR mwahaha, now my rival OWES me. Etc.


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That is true. I guess I was being a bit optimistic. But isn't that the general reputation of healing magic? To be kind? It can be used the way you described, but it will still go against expectations because the general population sees it as a "good" magic.



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Oh, I'm not arguing that generally people think of healing magic as the "nice" one, which is why I think non-Tevinter people would absolutely be surprised if Dorian was a kick-ass healer. I'm just saying why I don't think healing would necessarily be devalued in Tevinter. Like everything else in Tevinter (according to dudes like Fenris, anyway!), something powerful will be twisted into leverage for the wielder, no matter how benign it might start out as.

 

Think of it this way: healing magic pretty much gives you the power of life or death over the people who need it. Now imagine your stereotypic Tevinter magister with that sort of power. Healing magic isn't so nice and fluffy now!



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Someone with those abilities could definitely be a good assassin as well I think.



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I'd personally like to see healing magic used in an offense way. Being able to sever nerves or damage internal organs, things like that.

 

Granted, I highly doubt this could work as a talent tree, but I like the idea.  :P

 

Healing magic harms the undead, or at least it does in D&D. Actually, instant-healing magic could be really bad if the person using it has no idea how to practice medicine. Yeah, you healed that guy's busted arm but you didn't set the bone before casting now its worse.


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That is true. I guess I was being a bit optimistic. But isn't that the general reputation of healing magic? To be kind? It can be used the way you described, but it will still go against expectations because the general population sees it as a "good" magic.

 

Healing magic is also very feared, if Asunder is to be believed, because the most powerful healers conjure spirits (generally benevolent ones, granted) to perform their healing.


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Healing magic is also very feared, if Asunder is to be believed, because the most powerful healers conjure spirits (generally benevolent ones, granted) to perform their healing.

 

I suppose if he was the exiled magister Maevrais mentioned in the comics then he might be the teacher for the Necromancer specialization. Life being finite is one of the Cardinal Rules of Magic but binding a spirit to a physical being like we saw with Wynne and Justice is sort of like a supercharged version of what Spirit Healers do.



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I'm going to take him in the night. Yup. 

 

(someone tweeted this to @Abilitydrain, though It's probably already been posted here)

 

Am I the only one that finds this photo unflattering ? >.>

 

Someone took this photo during a moment where he's making a really agonized expression. It's quite...derpy, as anyone else would look if someone took  a random photo of your face in a conversation.


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#4100
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Yeah he looks derp to me in that shot, but I didn't say anything because I didn't want to be That Person. ;)


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