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[MattH]

Me too and Iron bull doesn't strike me as a Reaver, does it mean that Cass/Blackwall is a templar? I'm sure they will change it in the future.

If I had to guess, Cass would be Templar and Blackwall would be Champion.

[ElitePinecone]

You know, I just realised that since "Dorian" wasn't picked as Dorian's name because of its association with Wilde, all my crazy theories about the character are completely and absolutely wrong.

 

(I still think he looks suspiciously like Robert de Montesquiou, but I'm not willing to be too confident lest David come and tell us that his appearance was actually based on a 1970s Disney cartoon, or Grilled Toast Jesus or whatever.)

 

C'est la vie and que sera sera, to mix languages and proverbs. Speculation is fun in and of itself!

[ElitePinecone]

edit: erryday be double posting

[Ymirr]

You know, I just realised that since "Dorian" wasn't picked as Dorian's name because of its association with Wilde, all my crazy theories about the character are completely and absolutely wrong.

 

(I still think he looks suspiciously like Robert de Montesquiou, but I'm not willing to be too confident lest David come and tell us that his appearance was actually based on a 1970s Disney cartoon, or Grilled Toast Jesus or whatever.)

 

C'est la vie and que sera sera, to mix languages and proverbs. Speculation is fun in and of itself!

That you were wrong about where the name came from, doesn't mean the rest of it was off. We are all technically grabbing at straws anyway.

[ElitePinecone]

Seems like his master called him failure, maybe dorian Dorian is some kind of blood mage or necromage that uses magic to help his people instead of using it to hurt their enemies, similtar to Merrill but less naive (I hope...).

 

This is an interesting idea actually. 

 

It would be another layer to the "let's subvert everything you imagine when you think of Tevinter". 

 

Though the implications of healing people with life force drawn from death (or whatever the convoluted magical explanation would be for healing necromancy) is still a little squicky. 

 

*If* he was or is the exiled magister in the Anderfels that Mae mentioned in the comics, it seemed to be more about using spirits to heal. 

[Ymirr]

 

*If* he was or is the exiled magister in the Anderfels that Mae mentioned in the comics, it seemed to be more about using spirits to heal. 

I remember reading that part of the comic, and while she talked about it in regards to healing, it sounded to me like creating an abomination. I'm not sure how healing in the game works lore wise, but since he was supposedly grafting parts of spirit onto someone, it just didn't sound like healing. Even the way necromancy is described sounds similar, though dealing with whole souls it seems.

[Chewin]

I have to admit, I am mostly intrigued by Dorian simply by the fact to his connection to Tevinter. Previously the nation has more or less been portrayed as evil simply for the sake of portraying the flaws of a nation under mage rule. While an interesting concept for sure, it needs more focus into it as well as portraying it in a differnt light than what has previously been done.

Hopefully Dorian will fill this role, and from what I have read from him, he seems to see the possibilty and greater good but understands that the system is flawed, apparently. Of course, while his relationship to Tevinter I find to be an important factor, it's also vital that he ends up being a character and not a walking textbook that sites the history of Tevinter.

[Reznore57]

I have to admit, I am mostly intrigued by Dorian simply by the fact to his connection to Tevinter. Previously the nation has more or less been portrayed as evil simply for the sake of portraying the flaws of a nation under mage rule. While an interesting concept for sure, it needs more focus into it as well as portraying it in a differnt light than what has previously been done.

Hopefully Dorian will fill this role, and from what I have read from him, he seems to see the possibilty and greater good but understands that the system is flawed, apparently. Of course, while his relationship to Tevinter I find to be an important factor, it's also vital that he ends up being a character and not a walking textbook that sites the history of Tevinter.

 

Well , playing a mage character , I hope he will bring something to the table.

I don't think all Tevinter mages are Evil , I think there's a very good thing about Tevinter : they do serious research about magic.

Of course , they sometimes go too far (Golden city trip wasn't the brightest idea).

But they are the only one who have a real solution for a dreamer like Feynriel.

The Lithany of Adralla ( the spell to break mind control ) was also created by a Tevinter mage.

Seeker Lambert (who lived a long time in Tevinter ) was able to find out about Cole when a Circle mage ,who study spirits , was clueless.

 

I mean I don't agree with the Chantry about the whole let's put the mages in circles forever and let's not find another solution.

I'd be really happy if Dorian is an example that free mages are not just walking disaster .

It was a bit hard defending mages in DA2 with Anders , and Merrill around.

I mean I liked them but that whole abomination/Blood magic thing didn't help.

[Gervaise]

Do you suppose that Dorian is a little bit naïve when it comes to his countrymen because he hasn't yet sat at the top table so to speak?   I'm thinking what Lambert said regarding his friend the mage who became the Black Divine.  He says "Together we were going to change the world."   When Evangeline asks if he was betrayed by him, his response is in the negative until after the mage became the Black Divine.   He seems to suggest that he thought his friend was perfectly genuine in his desire to bring about change when he was not in a position of power and only became corrupt once he had achieved it.   Even Fenris admits that there are probably good mages in Tevinter but not among the ruling elite.    So I'm thinking that Dorian may be as innocent of what really goes on in the higher echelons as Lambert was.   This could be why discovering what he does about Alexis is such a shock.     After all Adralla only created the Litany after fleeing Tevinter.   This would suggest that her life was in danger, probably because she had criticised the ruling elite once to often, and naturally she created the Litany to protect herself from them.   It was designed to "dispel demonic influence over the mind".   Naturally someone who had incurred the wrath of the Magisters would assume they would use blood magic and demons to try and attack them.   So I think this bodes well for Dorian, at least now he has left Tevinter, since it was probably the only way he would not become corrupted or dead at their hands.

[MisterJB]

But they are the only one who have a real solution for a dreamer like Feynriel.

Considering that the people of Southern are the descendants of those who fought Tevinter to free themselves from the influence of magic, the Rite of Tranquility counts as a solution to Dreamers.

[Bichaneca]

I think that if Tevinter teaches anything it's that power corrupts, on their case it's magic. I recall a conversation during DA:A with Velanna in which the Warden and her were discussing how power can change people and a nation: If the Dalish had the upper hand would they be different?

The Chantry was somewhat of an alternative to the Imperium but as the way things are now I think they're at the same level when it comes to oppression, hence the need for a change.

It's like a vicious cycle: A ruler rises only to be replaced by another that seems better but that eventually falls for the same things and gets replaced and so on.

 

So yeah I think Dorian it's safe because from what I gather, he never really used the power he had as a magister.

[Lebanese Dude]

I think that if Tevinter teaches anything it's that power corrupts, on their case it's magic. I recall a conversation during DA:A with Velanna in which the Warden and her were discussing how power can change people and a nation: If the Dalish had the upper hand would they be different?

The Chantry was somewhat of an alternative to the Imperium but as the way things are now I think they're at the same level when it comes to oppression, hence the need for a change.

It's like a vicious cycle: A ruler rises only to be replaced by another that seems better but that eventually falls for the same things and gets replaced and so on.

 

So yeah I think Dorian it's safe because from what I gather he never really used the power he had as a magister.

 

Funny you brought up that point.

 

In Masked Empire:

 

Spoiler

Felassan showed that Arlathan were not much different than the Tevinter Imperium. The elven magocracy ruled while their elven servants attended them. It sorta struck a chord with me because I had always thought that Arlathan was an egalitarian society. Given that the Dalish clan in Masked Empire were pompous stuck up assholes half the time, it kinda drove the point home. Elves are no different than humans, in some ways potentially even more douche-y

[Arvaarad]

You know, I just realised that since "Dorian" wasn't picked as Dorian's name because of its association with Wilde, all my crazy theories about the character are completely and absolutely wrong.

Now you can make crazy theories based on the Hercules clip.

Surprised CSI:BSN hasn't commented on the fact that the Dorian in the clip was a prince who got pushed out by a usurper.

[Reznore57]

Considering that the people of Southern are the descendants of those who fought Tevinter to free themselves from the influence of magic, the Rite of Tranquility counts as a solution to Dreamers.

 

Well on one hand , he goes to Tevinter , learned to master his power , and saved a girl from being assaulted.

On the other , he gets his brain fried.

I mean , Tranquility is just a barbaric solution for mages who are distressed and consumed by magic , they are victims.

And it's really sad when a mage could be saved instead.

[Bichaneca]

Funny you brought up that point.

 

In Masked Empire:

 

Spoiler

Felassan showed that Arlathan were not much different than the Tevinter Imperium. The elven magocracy ruled while their elven servants attended them. It sorta struck a chord with me because I had always thought that Arlathan was an egalitarian society. Given that the Dalish clan in Masked Empire were pompous stuck up assholes half the time, it kinda drove the point home. Elves are no different than humans, in some ways potentially even more douche-y

 

I think that with every new game/book BioWare it's trying to show us that elfs, specially the ones from the times of Arlathan weren't perfect. While we play DAO and  DAII I guess, we get this whole idea of "Arlathan was a paradise and the evil humans destroyed it." The Dalish seem too focused on their past and honestly they're pretty arrogant as well. This was damn clear on Masked Empire where:

Spoiler

They refused to help the city elfs. I think it's almost as evil to cause harm as it's to ignore it.

[Reznore57]

You know, I just realised that since "Dorian" wasn't picked as Dorian's name because of its association with Wilde, all my crazy theories about the character are completely and absolutely wrong.

 

(I still think he looks suspiciously like Robert de Montesquiou, but I'm not willing to be too confident lest David come and tell us that his appearance was actually based on a 1970s Disney cartoon, or Grilled Toast Jesus or whatever.)

 

C'est la vie and que sera sera, to mix languages and proverbs. Speculation is fun in and of itself!

 

How do you know it's not inspired by Dorian Gray ?

 

Besides ElitePinecone , you're like the first Dorian fan , I remember  thinking you had a crush on this character when we only had a name , and the whole Tevinter thing.

We didn't even know he was mustache guy back then.

[Lebanese Dude]

I think that with every new game/book BioWare it's trying to show us that elfs, specially the ones from the times of Arlathan weren't perfect. While we play DAO and  DAII I guess, we get this whole idea of "Arlathan was a paradise and the evil humans destroyed it." The Dalish seem too focused on their past and honestly they're pretty arrogant as well. This was damn clear on Masked Empire where:

Spoiler

They refused to help the city elfs. I think it's almost as evil to cause harm as it's to ignore it.

 

Exactly! 

[Lebanese Dude]

How do you know it's not inspired by Dorian Gray ?

 

Besides ElitePinecone , you're like the first Dorian fan , I remember  thinking you had a crush on this character when we only had a name , and the whole Tevinter thing.

We didn't even know he was mustache guy back then.

 

We know because Gaider himself shot it down, stating that the name was inspired from a 1970 cartoon "Hercules" which features a King Dorian.

[Reznore57]

We know because Gaider himself shot it down, stating that the name was inspired from a 1970 cartoon "Hercules" which features a King Dorian.

 

Ok.I missed that .

Wonder if Gaider wrote him by the way...

[Bichaneca]

Ok.I missed that .

Wonder if Gaider wrote him by the way...

 

Judging by his interested on this thread...maybe?

[BioFan (Official)]

Thanks for all the well wishes everyone! Leaving soon! Hope you guys get the full demo and Dorian info while I'm gone! 

[ElitePinecone]

How do you know it's not inspired by Dorian Gray ?

 

Word of Gaider

 

At least for his name. The other stuff could still be true, but it sounds like the influence of Dorian Gray wasn't as big as I thought it was.

 

Not that they'd just copy Wilde's character or anything, but I was clearly seeing literary inspiration where it wasn't necessarily intended to exist.

[Lebanese Dude]

Thanks for all the well wishes everyone! Leaving soon! Hope you guys get the full demo and Dorian info while I'm gone! 

 

Here's for a quick recovery!

[ElitePinecone]

Judging by his interested on this thread...maybe?

 

That's what I thought about Sheryl though, since she was lurking a bit too and sneakily liking the fanart

[Lebanese Dude]

That's what I thought about Sheryl though, since she was lurking a bit too and sneakily liking the fanart

Both are amazing writers so I don't care either way