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[The Elder King]

Did they say that?! I must have missed it then.
 
As for him being gay speculations, I sort of got that impression from weighing the possible options. Cullen, the only revealed male LI so far, is very likely straight. If Solas is an option, he'd have to be straight or bi so that there won't be two gay/lesbian elves in the party. If Iron Bull is an option, his profile hints strongly toward him being bi. That leaves Dorian as the gay option.
 
Of course, it'd be really hilarious (in a sort of bitter way for me) if he turns out as either the straight LI or not an option at all.

Not in the part of the demo we saw, but in the offscreen demo, it was mentioned by those who watched it that it seems so.

[Lucy Glitter]

Why is now a days that being close with a person of the same gender always leads to a "he's gay" reaction. Why can't he just have a platonic friendship? Felix was his masters son so who's to say weren't just classmates and friends. It just seems to be a out of context knee jerk reaction without info to back it up.  

 

That's true. I guess that's to say we haven't seen the demo ourselves and therefore only have one interpretation, whereas the other one didn't even make a mention of it. Really, we are basing everything on conjecture. 

 

I come here for the sexy drawings and gay optimism.  I stay quiet so as not to take space away from sexy drawings.

 

Thank you.

 

You can take as much space as you want ;-D'

 

edit: The only reason I'd think Cullen was straight was because he wasn't obsessed with the male mage Warden as he was with the female one. He again references her only and not the him. Then again, they did alter Anders a bit (you couldn't flirt with him as a male) but he mentioned the mages in the Circle Tower were all pretty sexual.

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 19 juin 2014 - 06:30 .

[Chari]

I still think he meant Alexius and not Felix
I wouldn't be surprised if they announced Dorian as a gay LI at Gaymer

[ElitePinecone]

Why is now a days that being close with a person of the same gender always leads to a "he's gay" reaction. Why can't he just have a platonic friendship? Felix was his masters son so who's to say weren't just classmates and friends. It just seems to be a out of context knee jerk reaction without info to back it up.  

 

I think it's a bit... unhelpful to compare reality with a videogame, though. Everything in Dragon Age is written by people, and written for a reason. Putting two characters together and implying some kind of connection through dialogue is an easy way to suggest a previous romantic relationship. For the story, what purpose does friendship between Dorian and Felix serve that wouldn't be made more powerful or emotional by some sort of relationship? They're not real people, and these situations are entirely engineered by the writers to serve whatever goals they have in mind. 

 

Of course I don't think anyone would assume someone's sexuality purely because they're close to someone of the same gender - but that dialogue is suggestive at the very least. They could be classmates or friends, but Dorian bringing up Felix as a previous relationship *would* serve another purpose of telegraphing his m/m availability to the player, *if* that is what happens in the game. It would be another example of same-sex content in the main story path, too.

 

It's not like people instantly jump to assume a relationship all the time, either - look at the Seamus the Viscount's son and the qunari Ashaad in DA2. The devs mentioned afterward that their relationship was clearly implied to be sexual (which even other DA2 characters mentioned), but so many people either didn't notice that suggestion, or want to ignore it entirely and imagine some other sort of connection.

[Deviija]

It's not like people instantly jump to assume a relationship all the time, either - look at the Seamus the Viscount's son and the qunari Ashaad in DA2. 

 

Indeed, there are quite a goodly amount of people that didn't know Herren and Wade were a gay couple either.  And they were a close couple of dudes.

[SurelyForth]

I've been holding out hope that Dorian and Felix were just friends, if only because I'm sick of our companions having to see their lovers and former lovers killed, or participate in the killing. Zevran, Leliana, Aveline, Anders...it's getting ridiculous, especially considering the majority have been s/s relationships (if you count Taliesen, too). 

[Samahl]

If it'd seem romantically suggestive between a man and a woman, then it's not unreasonable to apply that to a man and a man or a woman and a woman as well. It seems like a lot of people get upset when people interpret relationships between two characters of the same gender romantically, but don't have the same problem when others assume an opposite-gender relationship is romantic in nature.

[Samahl]

(if you count Taliesen, too). 

Why would you count Taliesin?

[Trophonius]

Because Zevran implies that he and Taliesen were sexually involved.

I've been holding out hope that Dorian and Felix were just friends, if only because I'm sick of our companions having to see their lovers and former lovers killed, or participate in the killing. Zevran, Leliana, Aveline, Anders...it's getting ridiculous, especially considering the majority have been s/s relationships (if you count Taliesen, too).

Agreed. Whoever our exclusive gay companion is, if he had a former lover, I hope the relationship ended because it ran its course or they decided it was for the best. Not because one guy was turned tranquil against his will or had to be reanimated through necromancy.

[Samahl]

Because Zevran implies that he and Taliesen were sexually involved.

He does?! (How do I keep missing these things?)

[Trophonius]

He does?! (How do I keep missing these things?)

When asked if Taliesen was a good friend, Zevran ruefully admits that he was and "more." There was also the implication that Taliesen's motive for machinating Rinna's death was because he was jealous of her.

[Lucy Glitter]

Ninja'd
 

Because Zevran implies that he and Taliesen were sexually involved.

 
He doesn't imply anything specific. Just that he was, "more."
 

[Samahl]

Wow, I just... forgot everything about Origins, I guess. Damn.

[ElitePinecone]

If it'd seem romantically suggestive between a man and a woman, then it's not unreasonable to apply that to a man and a man or a woman and a woman as well. It seems like a lot of people get upset when people interpret relationships between two characters of the same gender romantically, but don't have the same problem when others assume an opposite-gender relationship is romantic in nature.

 

Yeah, though I think this is partially related to cultural norms and issues of representation too. 

 

(e.g. if you come from an environment that never features same-sex relationships, it might be difficult to process the idea of two women or two men being together even if that's what is clearly suggested. The paucity of same-sex relationships in popular Western media also might make people predisposed to see same-sex pairings as friends rather than romantic partners, since for a long time this was the overwhelmingly more common portrayal.)

 

I think there's definitely an interesting contrast between attitudes to opposite-sex and same-sex pairings, whether they're friends or lovers. The ubiquity of male/female romances in storytelling (one could even call it heteronormativity ) seemingly makes that the default assumption whenever a narrative has a similarly-aged male and female character, but the same thing is almost never true for fictional works that have two men or two women. 

 

It doesn't help that content creators also seem to have a problem about making those relationships obvious -  for whatever reason it seems to be communicated through hints and leading dialogue. Off the top of my head, apart from the Seamus/Ashaad thing, this also seemed to happen with Ellie and Riley from The Last of Us, and with two characters in Transistor. 

[Samahl]

tbh, I kind of have the opposite reaction - I read queerness into everything, and I want all different-gender relationships to be platonic. /shot

[Lucy Glitter]

People didn't figure Seamus and Ashaad were romantic!??! It was... so obvious. If Seamus was a female, no one would doubt it. That's very true.

 

Wow, I just... forgot everything about Origins, I guess. Damn.

 

They are two small tidbits, really. Passing mentions so naturally not that critical for someone to remember them

[Samahl]

People didn't figure Seamus and Ashaad were romantic!??! It was... so obvious.

(...didn't notice that either... /hides)

[myahele]

What? Seamus and Ashaad!?

I remember one of the assassins making a snide remark that they were intimate, but I never thought of it.

[Ymirr]

People didn't figure Seamus and Ashaad were romantic!??! It was... so obvious. If Seamus was a female, no one would doubt it. That's very true.

 

 

They are two small tidbits, really. Passing mentions so naturally not that critical for someone to remember them

I got that impression too, but was unsure because Ashaad was a Qunari. The Qunari always seemed so Schizoid in that regard, I wondered if it was a species thing or taught. Makes me wonder now how varied the Qunari are.

[Lucy Glitter]

I got that impression too, but was unsure because Ashaad was a Qunari. The Qunari always seemed so Schizoid in that regard, I wondered if it was a species thing or taught. Makes me wonder now how varied the Qunari are.

 

I think we are given a very narrow-minded view of the Kossith. Saemus was a good character because he did make you question what you know about the Qunari. Their beliefs on what makes a person are strange but very interesting. Tallis was a great addition, too. 

[ElitePinecone]

What? Seamus and Ashaad!?

I remember one of the assassins making a snide remark that they were intimate, but I never thought of it.

 

Some of Seamus' comments are pretty suggestive too, things about appreciating beauty. 

 

But I guess that's also an issue: is there a reason that the relationship was only hinted through other characters' insults and some subtext? I know it's possible that the devs preferred to do it in a low-key way, artistically, but why was that chosen over making their relationship somewhat more obvious?

 

(It's even reflected in incidental dialogue - the recent E3 demo contains a sidequest about a woman who lost her husband. Has there ever been someone in a DA sidequest who mentioned a romantic partner of the same gender so nonchalantly?)

[Samahl]

Has there ever been someone in a DA sidequest who mentioned a romantic partner of the same gender so nonchalantly?)

Not that I can think of. Most of it is intimated, if it's present at all. Kind of sad.

[Lucy Glitter]

Not that I can think of. Most of it is intimated, if it's present at all. Kind of sad.

 

It is sad, actually. Do you think it's pressure from the higher ups? I mean, apparently some men got offended at Anders for flirting with their MHawkes... Iunno enough about it or how many people complained to make a judgement on that. I think it's either all out or intimated with both s/s and m/f... Or they should make a similar retrieval quest with two married women! Sera is... i'm happy about that. It's just sad that it's only just happened. Juhani, too, but hers was bugged and impossible to get.

 

It was only the last Disney movie that managed to sneak in a gay family... slowly progressing but media is way far behind.

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