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Well then let's just sensibly rule it down to Blackwall and Dorian then. Honestly though I won't say anything more, but I think it's pretty obvious taking all into consideration.



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To be fair, I don't think they would make both of the elves s/s LIs, but I could be wrong.

Honestly, I can't see how it couldn't possibly happen. 

 

The devs seem to be prioritizing individual stories and appearances much more than they had before, despite whether or not it's part of the popular opinion, so to me it wouldn't be totally out of it if Solas did happen to be gay as well as an elf. They made it seem like if the two elves were both gay it would be completely incidental. 

 

As for Dorian, we actually have very little info to go on except seconds of demo footage and one person's opinion piece. Anything could go from this point! So any guess is really as good as any other... 



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Well then let's just sensibly rule it down to Blackwall and Dorian then. Honestly though I won't say anything more, but I think it's pretty obvious taking all into consideration.

...and why does it have to be them?

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Well then let's just sensibly rule it down to Blackwall and Dorian then. Honestly though I won't say anything more, but I think it's pretty obvious taking all into consideration.

 

Not that many people thought Sera would be the f/f LI and look what happen


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Honestly, I can't see how it couldn't possibly happen. 

 

The devs seem to be prioritizing individual stories and appearances much more than they had before, despite whether or not it's part of the popular opinion, so to me it wouldn't be totally out of it if Solas did happen to be gay as well as an elf. They made it seem like if the two elves were both gay it would be completely incidental. 

 

As for Dorian, we actually have very little info to go on except seconds of demo footage and one person's opinion piece. Anything could go from this point! So any guess is really as good as any other... 

I am sure the would write it beautifully, but I would wonder if someone at one point would go "would it be bad for us to make the stereotypically underprivileged and down trodden elves both gay?"


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Honestly, I can't see how it couldn't possibly happen. 

 

The devs seem to be prioritizing individual stories and appearances much more than they had before, despite whether or not it's part of the popular opinion, so to me it wouldn't be totally out of it if Solas did happen to be gay as well as an elf. They made it seem like if the two elves were both gay it would be completely incidental. 

 

I see where you're coming from and I don't necessarily disagree.  I would still probably be a little bit peeved if both the exclusively same sex LIs turned out to be elves though, to be honest.



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To me, the logic that "Dorian looks gay" makes as much sense as "Vivienne should have been the lesbian because she's into girly things". Like WTF?

Long before we had any info on Dorian people were jumping to the he's gay conclusion off of looks. And, with Felix people are thinking he is gay because of Anders. I'm sorry if I hurt you. With, my long hair and the excessive amount of jewelry I wear I know people stereotype sexuality pretty easily. I am playing devil's advocate because we have no info on him.   



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If you're waiting for me to put the whole 'because he's a camp guy and it's so obvious he's gay' you're not gonna get it. Basically it's just sensible to have the gay character as someone who's pretty grounded among players and easily relateable, Sera's an elf but so what they're the closest to humans out of all the races.

 

IB is the only Qunari male and if he's romancable he's mainly going to be so for Qunari players among males and females, it makes sense for him not to be gay. Both Cullen and Cole need no explanation for different reasons. Solas seems like who will probably be the 'straight' option for female players plus it's illogical to have both elves same-sex only and Blackwall seems a little less to everyone's tastes compared to Dorian who has a lot of attractive qualities. Dorian is also from Tevinter who aren't so keen on homosexuality apparently. I'm not mentioning this again, but to me it is clear as day who will be the gay male.

 

Lastly it was obvious to me that Sera was going to be female only because having scribe girl as a lesbian would be too much like Traynor. 



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Long before we had any info on Dorian people were jumping to the he's gay conclusion off of looks. And, with Felix people are thinking he is gay because of Anders. I'm sorry if I hurt you. With, my long hair and the excessive amount of jewelry I wear I know people stereotype sexuality pretty easy. I am playing devil's advocate because we have no info on him.   

And everyone was sure that Cullen wouldn't be in the game either, despite the concept art leak.

 

 

If you're waiting for me to put the whole 'because he's a camp guy and it's so obvious he's gay' you're not gonna get it. Basically it's just sensible to have the gay character as someone who's pretty grounded among players and easily relateable, Sera's an elf but so what they're the closest to humans out of all the races.

 

IB is the only Qunari male and if he's romancable he's mainly going to be so for Qunari players among males and females, it makes sense for him not to be gay. Both Cullen and Cole need no explanation for different reasons. Solas seems like who will probably be the 'straight' option for female players plus it's illogical to have both elves same-sex only and Blackwall seems a little less to everyone's tastes compared to Dorian who has a lot of attractive qualities. Dorian is also from Tevinter who aren't so keen on homosexuality apparently. I'm not mentioning this again, but to me it is clear as day who will be the gay male.

 

Lastly it was obvious to me that Sera was going to be female only because having scribe girl as a lesbian would be too much like Traynor. 

There is an entire thread and a huge section of tumblr that would disagree with you about Blackwall. Just saying.

 

There is no info out there other than appearance and while Dorian might look like what straight people think gay people all look like thanks to television, Blackwall actually looks like gay people I know in real life.

 

So... honestly. I know which I would pick to write if I was going for representation.


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If you're waiting for me to put the whole 'because he's a camp guy and it's so obvious he's gay' you're not gonna get it. Basically it's just sensible to have the gay character as someone who's pretty grounded among players and easily relateable, Sera's an elf but so what they're the closest to humans out of all the races.

IB is the only Qunari male and if he's romancable he's mainly going to be so for Qunari players among males and females, it makes sense for him not to be gay. Both Cullen and Cole need no explanation for different reasons. Solas seems like who will probably be the 'straight' option for female players plus it's illogical to have both elves same-sex only and Blackwall seems a little less to everyone's tastes compared to Dorian who has a lot of attractive qualities. Dorian is also from Tevinter who aren't so keen on homosexuality apparently. I'm not mentioning this again, but to me it is clear as day who will be the gay male.

Lastly it was obvious to me that Sera was going to be female only because having scribe girl as a lesbian would be too much like Traynor.

Why does Solas seem like the male option for female PCs? By default?

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I am sure the would write it beautifully, but I would wonder if someone at one point would go "would it be bad for us to make the underprivileged and down trodden elves both gay?"

I'm sure a lot of people would, but it shouldn't have to say anything about elves as a whole if two of them happen to be gay. Sexual preference is a purely individual thing. 

 

I'm pretty sure their intention with Sera being both gay and an elf wasn't to say that many female elves are gay, but to say Sera personally identifies herself as gay. It could be possible with Solas too, or maybe it's not. 

 

They could throw us another curve ball and Dorian is the straight one, or isn't even romancible at all! 

 

None of us know for sure lol. I'll be placing my bets soon. 



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And everyone was sure that Cullen wouldn't be in the game either, despite the concept art leak.

 

Since when? I remember very large amounts of people who all agreed thought Cullen would be in the game.



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Honestly I'm hoping Dorian's bi with a preference for men. In contrast to the other bi male LIs that had preferences for women *shrug*

 

I'll get over it if he's gay but I really hope he's bi XD

 

Especially if Solas is the straight option. >_>


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Since when? I remember very large amounts of people who all agreed thought Cullen would be in the game.

All those people in the "who will be the next companion"  threads telling the whiney Cullen fangirls to get over it because Cullen won't be in the game because the devs weren't gonna pander to them.

 

With posts of "Guh! Why won't you shut up about him even though I brought it up!" peppered in for seasoning.



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Honestly, I can't see how it couldn't possibly happen. 

 

The devs seem to be prioritizing individual stories and appearances much more than they had before, despite whether or not it's part of the popular opinion, so to me it wouldn't be totally out of it if Solas did happen to be gay as well as an elf. They made it seem like if the two elves were both gay it would be completely incidental. 

 

As for Dorian, we actually have very little info to go on except seconds of demo footage and one person's opinion piece. Anything could go from this point! So any guess is really as good as any other... 

Whose opinion piece was that?

 

 

And everyone was sure that Cullen wouldn't be in the game either, despite the concept art leak.

 

 

There is an entire thread and a huge section of tumblr that would disagree with you about Blackwall. Just saying.

 

There is no info out there other than appearance and while Dorian might look like what straight people think gay people all look like thanks to television, Blackwall actually looks like gay people I know in real life.

 

So... honestly. I know which I would pick to write if I was going for representation.

 

All hail Lady Aimo! If I was going for representation I would probably go for Blackwall. If I was going for appealing to a large audience I'd go for Dorian. Blackwall has a lot of fans, true (I'm one of them) but Dorian fits better into the mold of the conventionally attractive, which gaming companies tend to perceive as a safer bet when writing a romance (unless a Garrus happens).

 

 



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All those people in the "who will be the next companion"  threads telling the whiney Cullen fangirls to get over it because Cullen won't be in the game because the devs weren't gonna pander to them.

 

With posts of "Guh! Why won't you shut up about him even though I brought it up!" peppered in for seasoning.

 

Oh yeah well those guys whine about the fangirls even after he's been proven to be in. And I'm pretty sure the actual fangirls who expected him to be in far outstripped the people claiming he had no chance to be in. So that's hardly 'everyone' thinking Cullen wouldn't be in.



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And everyone was sure that Cullen wouldn't be in the game either, despite the concept art leak.

 

 

There is an entire thread and a huge section of tumblr that would disagree with you about Blackwall. Just saying.

 

There is no info out there other than appearance and while Dorian might look like what straight people think gay people all look like thanks to television, Blackwall actually looks like gay people I know in real life.

 

So... honestly. I know which I would pick to write if I was going for representation.

Trust me, being gay myself and knowing enough gay people Blackwall doesn't look like "actual gay people" because gay people in general don't have one distinctive look. With the flamboyance though it just adds that extra flair, not all gay people have it but after seeing Cortez who was pretty grounded it's nice to see a likely gay character with a bit of a spark.



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Whose opinion piece was that?

 

 

 

All hail Lady Aimo! If I was going for representation I would probably go for Blackwall. If I was going for appealing to a large audience I'd go for Dorian. Blackwall has a lot of fans, true (I'm one of them) but Dorian fits better into the mold of the conventionally attractive, which gaming companies tend to perceive as a safer bet when writing a romance (unless a Garrus happens).

 

 

 

And said mold is soooooo yummy. ((but seriously. Hoping he is bi because I prefer to play my preferred gender... but I am totally still gonna smooch Dorian if he likes dudes))



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And everyone was sure that Cullen wouldn't be in the game either, despite the concept art leak.

 

And, Bioware doesn't write off of fan theory. 



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Don't want to get into any fighting, but IF Blackwall did turn out to be the very first fully gay love interest in a Dragon Age game, I would be very disappointed.  He's obviously been a warden for a long time, and is near his calling.  What kind of love interest would he really make?  Thane 2.0?  No thanks.  I loved Thane, but no thanks!  I have to agree that Dorian is the most logical choice based on the evidence at hand.  (though I'll settle for bisexual obviously). 



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Trust me, being gay myself and knowing enough gay people Blackwall doesn't look like "actual gay people" because gay people in general don't have one distinctive look. With the flamboyance though it just adds that extra flair, not all gay people have it but after seeing Cortez who was pretty grounded it's nice to see a likely gay character with a bit of a spark.

Maybe I shouldn't have said actual gay people (sorry if I offended), but I was just trying to make a point that if people say that Dorian looks gay, one could say the same thing about ANY of the companions.

 

Anyways, I am in the Hoping He Is Bi, Mentally Calculating A Male Inquisitor If He Is Not category.



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Don't want to get into any fighting, but IF Blackwall did turn out to be the very first fully gay love interest in a Dragon Age game, I would be very disappointed.  He's obviously been a warden for a long time, and is near his calling.  What kind of love interest would he really make?  Thane 2.0?  No thanks.  I loved Thane, but no thanks!  I have to agree that Dorian is the most logical choice based on the evidence at hand.  (though I'll settle for bisexual obviously). 

True, but they might not even decide to bring up Blackwall's Calling at all and then it COULD be like any of the other Grey Warden romances we have had, minus the spirit turned demon and the bastard prince thing. (ALSO! WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD A GREY WARDEN TO ROMANCE)


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Whose opinion piece was that?

 

 

 

 

Ack, I can't find it, it's buried in one of the many pages. Can someone else post it again? Thanks in advance!

 

It was a blog post from someone who attended the show and saw the full DA demo. It showcased some dialogue between Dorian and Quzzie about how he felt about Alexius/or his son's death after the fact. Based on however that went, she thought Dorian might be bi or gay but acknowledges she could be wrong.

 

I think it's been disputed before, but she could definitely be right or mistaken on the level of intimacy he had for Alexius/or his son/somebody.

 

It's definitely a legimiate opinion but I don't see it as proof for anything.   



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True, but they might not even decide to bring up Blackwall's Calling at all and then it COULD be like any of the other Grey Warden romances we have had, minus the spirit turned demon and the bastard prince thing. (ALSO! WE HAVE ALWAYS HAD A GREY WARDEN TO ROMANCE)

I love my copy of Fifty Shades OF Grey Warden it makes for a good before bed read. 


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Maybe I shouldn't have said actual gay people (sorry if I offended), but I was just trying to make a point that if people say that Dorian looks gay, one could say the same thing about ANY of the companions.

No offence taken, and I support your notion that any of the companions could be gay if we're going off realism. I'm just saying that due to the the surrounding characters and taking numbers, races and all the other little details into consideration it seems more likely Dorian will be gay especially with some of the characteristics he expresses.