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[Lee80]

Yeah, I'm not saying he shouldn't be an option...but as the only gay male option (full gay I mean) that would be a rather poor choice. He was a warden before Origins.  He's pretty far long, so unless they come up with a storyline to un-taint him...

[fiveforchaos]

Ack, I can't find it, it's buried in one of the many pages. Can someone else post it again? Thanks in advance!

 

It was a blog post from someone who attended the show and saw the full DA demo. It showcased some dialogue between Dorian and Quzzie about how he felt about Alexius/or his son's death after the fact. Based on however that went, she thought Dorian might be bi or gay but acknowledges she could be wrong.

 

I think it's been disputed before, but she could definitely be right or mistaken on the level of intimacy he had for Alexius/or his son/somebody.

 

It's definitely a legimiate opinion but I don't see it as proof for anything.   

If Dorian was getting it on with either of them, I'd reeeeeeeeeeeally prefer it to be the son. Wasn't Alexius supposed to be his mentor or something? I think I've had plenty enough of implied sexual relationships between creepy Tevinter Magisters and their underlings. 

[Jaulen]

Personally, I'm hoping that Dorian would be bi so I can romance him as my preferred gender (female).

 

But if he's the m/m option, wth......I will happily roll a M character to romance him (since I plan on playing this game as multiple races and sexes ...heck, one of each!). He's just that......that.....um....*looks back at that fanart from a while ago*

 

Gotta go.

 

 

Yeah, I'm not saying he shouldn't be an option...but as the only gay male option (full gay I mean) that would be a rather poor choice. He was a warden before Origins.  He's pretty far long, so unless they come up with a storyline to un-taint him...

 

 

Well....in the books the woman that gives the baby to Duncan becomes untainted I believe. But she was a mage....

[Moussey]

No offence taken, and I support your notion that any of the companions could be gay if we're going off realism. I'm just saying that due to the the surrounding characters and taking numbers, races and all the other little details into consideration it seems more likely Dorian will be gay especially with some of the characteristics he expresses.

Yeah, if we're talking likelihoods we're taking bets, it's not a negotiation on who's more right. Cause the fact of the matter is none of us know jackshit.

[GVulture]

If Dorian was getting it on with either of them, I'd reeeeeeeeeeeally prefer it to be the son. Wasn't Alexius supposed to be his mentor or something? I think I've had plenty enough of implied sexual relationships between creepy Tevinter Magisters and their underlings. 

Yeah... I would be kinda squick about that whole dynamic if it was going on AGAIN (and I would hope they wouldn't... that kind of abuse would make me want to burn Tevinter down after I left not "restore its glory"... hoping for something a bit "healthier" there...)

 

That said, I can think of two or three dynamics that would evoke an emotional response from Dorian after Alexius and his son are killed that could probably account for the emotional response that the reviewer picked up on.

 

Also... unless she saw a different presentation than the 20 minute video on YouTube, there wasn't much shown other than "this sucks... onto the amulet we have no time". I certainly didn't pick up on any emotional undertone other than "let's get this over so we don't blow up and die."

[Joe25]

Yeah, if we're talking likelihoods we're taking bets, it's not a negotiation on who's more right. Cause the fact of the matter is none of us know jackshit.

I like the way you think.

[GVulture]

No offence taken, and I support your notion that any of the companions could be gay if we're going off realism. I'm just saying that due to the the surrounding characters and taking numbers, races and all the other little details into consideration it seems more likely Dorian will be gay especially with some of the characteristics he expresses.

Granted. Still hoping for bi because then everyone can love him (with their gender of preference).

[Phoe77]

Yeah, I'm not saying he shouldn't be an option...but as the only gay male option (full gay I mean) that would be a rather poor choice. He was a warden before Origins.  He's pretty far long, so unless they come up with a storyline to un-taint him...

 

I disagree with the idea that Blackwall's romance would have to be tragic just because he's likely close to his Calling.  Impending death doesn't always have to mar a relationship with gloom and negativity.  There are many ways they could go with his romance just like there are with everyone else's.  There are certainly poor choices in how to handle his romance, but I don't think including a romance with him is in itself a poor choice.  

 

Also, I'm going to go against the grain and say that I think it would be neat if Dorian had a romantic relationship with Alexius and that relationship was a positive experience for both sides.  That would be a new twist on an old favorite.

[Joe25]

Yeah... I would be kinda squick about that whole dynamic if it was going on AGAIN (and I would hope they wouldn't... that kind of abuse would make me want to burn Tevinter down after I left not "restore its glory"... hoping for something a bit "healthier" there...)

Plus, why would they take Anders and Fenris and mix them into one big mustached drama bomb. 

[fiveforchaos]

Plus, why would they take Anders and Fenris and mix them into one big mustached drama bomb. 

Perhaps Dorian's more emotionally stable than either Fenris or Anders (though you can't really blame them for being the way they are, one's a tortured ex-slave and one's an abomination).

 

Also if Dorian seemed saddened by Alexius's death it seems unlikely that there was anything nonconsensual going on. I was just creeped out by the mentor/pupil relationship which can have some unfortunate implications. 

[GVulture]

Perhaps Dorian's more emotionally stable than either Fenris or Anders (though you can't really blame them for being the way they are, one's a tortured ex-slave and one's an abomination).

 

Also if Dorian seemed saddened by Alexius's death it seems unlikely that there was anything nonconsensual going on. I was just creeped out by the mentor/pupil relationship which can have some unfortunate implications. 

Hopefully, they didn't go that route.

[Avaflame]

I think Dorian is going to be gay. I'd like for him to be bi, but I think he will be exclusively m/m.

Is it beyond a shadow of a doubt? No; I can be a little pompous, but I'm not that arrogant. If something is not confirmed, there's room for doubt. To argue that there isn't based on assumptions and conjecture is beyond ridiculous.

And that's all I'l say on that subject.

I feel like most people were surprised after E3 when the companion reveals stopped. Whereas I always assumed they would and was very happy today to see Varric's pic, along with a quote!

A) We might see an official Dorian reveal before the next big event!

Now that Cass, Viv and Varric are out of the way, the next reveal will at least be a new character, even if not the one we want.

C) After Cass' reveal, I thought the quotes were only for #meettheheroes. I'm glad to see we might get one for Dorian after all! 

[Lebanese Dude]

A) We might see an official Dorian reveal before the next big event!
Now that Cass, Viv and Varric are out of the way, the next reveal will at least be a new character, even if not the one we want.
C) After Cass' reveal, I thought the quotes were only for #meettheheroes. I'm glad to see we might get one for Dorian after all!

I swear by all that is holy... If they give us a back shot of Dorian on his reveal I'm going to flip a ****.

[Eveangaline]

I swear by all that is holy... If they give us a back shot of Dorian on his reveal I'm going to flip a ****.

No, they're going for a close up.

 

Real close.

 

All we get to see is his mustache, wielding it's own tiny mage staff.

[ElitePinecone]

Also... unless she saw a different presentation than the 20 minute video on YouTube, there wasn't much shown other than "this sucks... onto the amulet we have no time". I certainly didn't pick up on any emotional undertone other than "let's get this over so we don't blow up and die."

 

The full demo is significantly longer, about 40 minutes. 

[Hanako Ikezawa]

The full demo is significantly longer, about 40 minutes. 

I bet it still ends on that point though. It's a cliffhanger. 

[ElitePinecone]

I bet it still ends on that point though. It's a cliffhanger. 

 

Yeah, but there's much more beforehand. 

 

http://icetigris.tum...-talk-and-go-to

 

 

Speaking of apostate mages, they’d been tearing **** up all over, and Redcliffe is basically a total clusterfuck. This is partially this guy, Alexius’s fault. He was holed up in the keep. The demo guy switched Dorian into the party, since he wanted to get special dialogue between Dorian and his former master, Alexius. So they got into the castle and found Leliana tied up and being tortured, though when the inquisitor shows up, she grabs her torturer around the neck with her legs and snaps it. According to the producer, they had made a decision earlier on in the playthrough to send Leliana in to spy or something, and she’d gone dark (presumably because she was caught), so this was kind of an extraction mission, as well as a mission to take out this nut, Alexius.

 

Leliana seemed (understandably) super bitter and hardened in this demo, and she really did not seem to get along well with Dorian. Dorian’s whole deal is that he’s a Tevinter Imperium mage and he wants to restore the honor of his homeland. So he seems like a noble, maybe a bit idealistic dude. So anyway, he started asking Leliana questions about what had happened to the castle (which is sitting basically in a Fade rift), and she’s just like stop talking. Dorian asked why, and she said because he was just trying to fill the silence. Basically, Leliana told him to shut the **** up.

 

Anyway, when they got to the room with Alexius, they tried to get some information out of him on how to stop the rift stuff. Meanwhile, there was this abomination crouching on the ground, which was apparently Alexius’s son, Felix, at one point (he was def long dead tho). Dorian was like, dude that’s not Felix he daid what is UP with you, and then the inquisitor asked for some amulet and Alexius was like nah, but then Leliana put a knife to Felix’s throat and the inquisitor gave the guy an ultimatum: give her the amulet and you get your “son” back. Alexius tried to just say GIVE ME MY SON BACK AND YOU CAN HAVE THE AMULET and Leliana was like **** that, and MERCILESSLY slit Felix’s throat.

 

This triggered a battle with Alexius and they showed off the tactical view a bit, which was neat. Once they beat him, they got the amulet and the inquisitor was kind of apologetic and was like “I know you cared for him.” Dorian seemed kind of bitter/hurt/maybe mildly conflicted? about this and was like, he died a long time ago. It’s a bit hard to convey exactly what about this interaction made me think that Dorian is interested in men, but I think it’s a distinct possibility that he’s bisexual or gay.

 

After that, they got the amulet and Dorian was like okay, give me an hour an I can reverse engineer the spell. Leliana was like, we don’t have an hour (demons were basically bearing down on the keep). She seemed super mad. Meanwhile, Sera and Iron Bull volunteered to go out of the hall doors and defend Dorian and the inquisitor while they worked on the spell to seal the big ass rift I guess. Leliana said “you have as much time as I have arrows”. And shortly thereafter, the horde stormed the doors, having clearly killed Sera. I didn’t see Iron Bull. Leliana got shot in the shoulder with an arrow and the inquisitor moved to help her, but she was like NO IF YOU MOVE, WE ALL DIE, I guess because she was helping Dorian with the spell. Then Leliana looks like she’s about to get killed when SURPRISE THAT’S THE END OF THE DEMO

[Arvaarad]

Speculating on a character's sexuality/race preferences before they're confirmed seems to be entering into a realm of madness (and disappointment, for at least some fraction of the people arguing passionately for one option or another).

If Dorian's romanceable and IF his personality appeals to me, then sooner or later I'll make an inquisitor that is a correct race/gender combo to romance him, humans excluded. I like to mix up my PCs, and neither a gay/bi male nor a straight/bi female would suffer from that nagging feeling of "I can get this in every other game".

I don't know a single aspect of his personality. Tevinter reformers could come in many flavors, as do "people who get flustered by map stabbing". I could be hoping and hoping for someone who's *not even my type* to be romanceable by [insert race/gender here].

EDIT: though maybe I'm relaxed because my preferred LIs in previous games have all been bi, and because I don't mind playing either gender of PC anyway. I recognize that for people with a strong desire to play X gender, this is a little more stressful.

[Lebanese Dude]

Speculating on a character's sexuality/race preferences before they're confirmed seems to be entering into a realm of madness (and disappointment, for at least some fraction of the people arguing passionately for one option or another).

If Dorian's romanceable and IF his personality appeals to me, then sooner or later I'll make an inquisitor that is a correct race/gender combo to romance him, humans excluded. I like to mix up my PCs, and neither a gay/bi male nor a straight/bi female would suffer from that nagging feeling of "I can get this in every other game".

I don't know a single aspect of his personality. Tevinter reformers could come in many flavors, as do "people who get flustered by map stabbing". I could be hoping and hoping for someone who's *not even my type* to be romanceable by [insert race/gender here].

 

Pretty sure everyone in this thread gonna drop their panties when they meet Dorian before he utters a word.

[ElitePinecone]

I know that people just really like speculation, but trying to "figure out" the LIs is a bit puzzling to me. Fundamentally nobody knows the answer, it doesn't seem like something that can be worked out by logic or intuition, and this discussion will be kinda irrelevant anyway once they finally reveal them. 

 

It seems to me that so much of the speculation also rests on some assumptions from previous games ("there'll be a female mage LI", "elves are always [X]",  etc), even though we have no idea whether that will still hold true for DA:I - and in some respects, the devs have made a point of saying they want to try new things as far as romance goes.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Can't wait to make a tribute video for him tho, I already got a song in mind.

Now if only it'd be October 7th already....

[MCG]

I'd say it'd be very weird if female PCs end up with two elf options and male PCs with none at all. If Solas is an option, I think he'd be bi.

 

I agree with your reasoning for Iron Bull being bi, specially if some of the other options end up being restricted against Qunari PCs (we don't know that, by the way).

 

As for Sera being s/s instead of Scribbles, my opinion was that since female PCs got a non-companion/adviser romance option (that's assuming Cullen is straight, of course), then Scribbles should be available to male PCs (either as straight or bi LI) so they can have one such romance option too. That left Sera (and Vivienne) for s/s option.

 

Good points actually, I've always had my money on Solas or Cullen being the straight option so perhaps if Cullen was for females only then Solas will surely be Bi. However then all humans will be for straight only, man this is so confusing, if Solas was Bi and Cullen did turn out completely straight then I'd definitely go with Vivienne being Bi as well which isn't something I'd considered before. 

 

Bringing this back around to Dorian, I'm sticking with him being gay for the time being and probably will until proven otherwise, he has too many supporting factors.

[Lebanese Dude]

I know that people just really like speculation, but trying to "figure out" the LIs is a bit puzzling to me. Fundamentally nobody knows the answer, it doesn't seem like something that can be worked out by logic or intuition, and this discussion will be kinda irrelevant anyway once they finally reveal them. 
 
It seems to me that so much of the speculation also rests on some assumptions from previous games ("there'll be a female mage LI", "elves are always [X]",  etc), even though we have no idea whether that will still hold true for DA:I - and in some respects, the devs have made a point of saying they want to try new things as far as romance goes.

Its all in good fun really. In truth, these forums would be quite boring if all we did was discuss facts, even post-release.

Also, assumptions and predictions ARE the cornerstones of speculation. The only issue is taking assumptions as facts. As long as people here can differentiate the two, then reading these speculations is fun.

[Lucy Glitter]

Don't want to get into any fighting, but IF Blackwall did turn out to be the very first fully gay love interest in a Dragon Age game, I would be very disappointed.  He's obviously been a warden for a long time, and is near his calling.  What kind of love interest would he really make?  Thane 2.0?  No thanks.  I loved Thane, but no thanks!  I have to agree that Dorian is the most logical choice based on the evidence at hand.  (though I'll settle for bisexual obviously).

 

 
Well, a lot of romances in BW games have been quite tragic or difficult. Let's see:

• Alistair was pretty sad because not only can he not have children (well... probably not) but he has a short time limit on his life as well as the fact that unless you are a human noble, you can't marry him and will be relegated to be his mistress for the rest of your life.
• Anders? Romancing a TERRORIST. Good luck living that down.
• Carth has a dead wife. Sky has a dead wife and a dead daughter. Jaheira has a dead husband, one that you knew in-game. 
• Morrigan (a.k.a Viconia 2.0) has some SERIOUS stuff going down in her life and she keeps that all from you. She is pretty manipulative and despite her feelings she will leave you no matter what. Sure, you get to track her down but what then? Yep, left on a cliffhanger with that. That and you might have a child with her that you either never get to see or is going to be an Old God and oh, is she a good guy or a bad guy? WE DON'T KNOW.
• Leliana and Zevran both admit to enjoying killing people. 
• Fenris has some serious baggage from being a slave to a creepy old pervert (who he serviced in a lot of ways yaknowwhatimsayin) and he hates a ton of stuff and is grumpy and is also probably an alcoholic. He'd be so difficult to live with imho.
• Isabela kept a big secret from Hawke and the rest of the party that caused the Qunari Invasion on Kirkwall... that and she has such trust issues and is pretty cowardly when it comes to proper romance with Hawke.
• Sebastian's romance is tragic because you either get a CHASTE MARRIAGE... or some sort of engagement with him with NO KISSING WHATSOEVER. That is tragedy in definition. 
• Samara because you'll never be able to be with her and she's so perfect.
• and lastly, VICONIA IN BG2. YEAH GO LOOK THAT UP. 

So I'd say that there are a lot of sad/tragic romances in BW games. Now, in media there has been the issue of gay romances always being depicted as tragic in some way. That is a serious problem... however, ME3 and KotOR have both proved that BW is not for that at all. If Blackwall is an m/m romance then that is because he is his own character and the writer's have crafted a true-to-life character that can dictate what a writer... writes. 
 
It does irk me when people bring this point up that Blackwall shouldn't be the first, "proper" m/m BW romance because he's gonna die soon. He isn't the first, anyway.

edit:
 

*snip*
 
Pretty sure everyone in this thread gonna drop their panties when they meet Dorian before he utters a word.

I, for one, have already done so.
 

Modifié par Lucy_Glitter, 20 juin 2014 - 12:30 .