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[Hellion Rex]

Anders wasn't an idealist, he was a terrorist.

And you can't be both?

[Hellion Rex]

Hence why I put idiotic idealist instead of idealist

*lowers gun*

 

Ah, mea culpa.

[Hellion Rex]

I have an addiction and I can't stop!!!!!

*twitches*

[Dean_the_Young]

Well, if I were him, I would certainly wonder what makes mage overlords different from the blood-based overlords in every other nation.

 

The Gifts of the Maker, of course. Can your Divine bend the fabric of reality like the Prophet? Clearly she doesn't have the Maker's Favor. Can Sera light fools and enemy armies on fire with her mind? Then clearly she's not cut out to be a ruler and defender of peoples.

 

As for what you would do if you were an elite and empowered minority in the ruling class of one of the most abhorrent governments in the setting... well, it'd probably be quite different from what you feel as a non-empowered minority of modern western liberalism.

 

I don't see it as any worse than those who aren't rallying to do away with the human nobility. Sure, democratic process would be great, but I don't really expect it in this sort of world. Everyone has their own ideals as to who should be calling the shots. As long as they think the rule should be benevolent, I can deal with it.  

 

In a dark and twisted sort of way, I could actually see Tevinter being the first country in Thedas where democracy could take place.

 

A democracy with an electorate limited to the mages of the Tevinter Circle, mind you, in which the electorate are the mage-citizens who are all considered equal to eachother and all above the rest... but a democracy none the less.

 

Yeah, id actually be ok with that. It would definitely be a new type of character.

 

And, i admit, it will make a fun conversation piece with my Mage characters.

 

'Mages should be free.'

 

'Yeah, totally. Can't rule the people for their own good from within a prison.'

[Mr.House]

Anders started as an idealist and ended up a terrorist, he's kinda of a good moral story to warn idealist what might happen if you become nuts.

[drake heath]

And you can't be both?

There's a line you cross when you start believing you have to kill anyone who thinks differently than you.

[Xilizhra]

Mostly because these guys don't drain their slaves dry and use that blood to create freaky ass experiments like  Tevinter overlords.

But will have them murdered on a whim in some cases, just as not all Tevinter overlords will do what you said.

[TheodoricFriede]

Anders started as an idealist and ended up a terrorist, he's kinda of a good moral story to warn idealist what might happen if you become nuts.

The Anders we have in DA2 isnt an idealist, he's a possessed lunatic.

 

Justice is kind of messing with his mind. By the end of the game, there really isnt much of Anders left.

[Hellion Rex]

There's a line you cross when you start believing you have to kill anyone who thinks differently than you.

Whatever. I'm really not interested in debating this with you.

[TheodoricFriede]

 

'Mages should be free.'

 

'Yeah, totally. Can't rule the people for their own good from within a prison.'

Personally i doubt it will be quite that blatant. But I can see him question why Mages in power is any less valid then those of noble blood, or those put in charge because a book says so.

[Mr.House]

But will have them murdered on a whim in some cases, just as not all Tevinter overlords will do what you said.

The only overlords that won't do that in Tevinter are the ones who are not insane, happy with where they are and believe they are secured in their spot or don't want to be  higher in power. Any mage in Tevinter who wants power or a higher position will use blood magic so they can beat their competition.

[Eveangaline]

Just for you, Mr. House, I'll laugh if Dorian is a benevolent paternalist who thinks that the error of the Tevinter Magistrates is in not being benevolent mage overlords, rather than finding any issue in mage overlords in the first place.

To be fair is anyone in thedas we've met against the idea of nobility existing? Or even if they dont like them had any hope of them going away? Nobility being mages or not isn't much a difference. It makes sense in thedas that someone would think nobles and magisters problems are how they treat the common folk, rather than having a full political revolution bent.

[The Redeemer]

I usually get all of my DA news from Tumblr but after Dorian's release I was so excited I had to make a BSN account my sister uses it a lot but it was never something i thought of

anyway I'm so excited for Dorian!!! His hair is my favorite thing about him

[TheodoricFriede]

. Any mage in Tevinter who wants power or a higher position will use blood magic so they can beat their competition.

According to Fenris. Which is kind of like asking Anders about what templars are like.

[Mr.House]

According to Fenris. Which is kind of like asking Anders about what templars are like.

Remember the Archon who wanted to get rid of slavery, how long did he last in power? Not long and Lambert also told us that the current Archon resorted to dark arts after he achieved his position(which led to Lambert becoming harsh because a friend he trusted to end this stuff in Tevinter decided to embrace it) So it's not just Fenris. I highly doubt Dorian who is a noble and has power would be against what his country is doing if only a few mages practiced blood magic.

[Hellion Rex]

Remember the Archon who wanted to get rid of slavery, how long did he last in power? Not long and Lambert also told us that the current Archon resorted to dark arts after he achieved his position(which led to Lambert becoming harsh because a friend he trusted to end this stuff in Tevinter decided to embrace it) So it's not just Fenris. I highly doubt Dorian who is a noble and has power would be against what his country is doing if only a few mages practiced blood magic.

You have a point. But do remember that Lambert is also extremely biased as well. He was a Tevinter templar, with no power whatsoever, and served at the whim of the magisters.

 

Now, that being said, we have only seen a small portion of magisters, majority bad (granted), but there are probably others just as good as Mae and Dorian.

[TheodoricFriede]

Remember the Archon who wanted to get rid of slavery, how long did he last in power? Not long and Lambert also told us that the current Archon resorted to dark arts after he achieved his position(which led to Lambert becoming harsh because a friend he trusted to end this stuff in Tevinter decided to embrace it) So it's not just Fenris. I highly doubt Dorian who is a noble and has power would be against what his country is doing if only a few mages practiced blood magic.

Except that Slavery is legal in Tevinter. And removing it could have been seen as crushing  to the economy, moral issues aside.

 

Blood Magic is NOT legal in Tevinter. Its just that people do it anyway, and there aren't really Templars in place to stop them. I dont think that the only way to rise through the ranks of Tevinter politics is to be a blood mage. Just a powerful mage.

[StrangeStrategy]

Is there a Character Profile of him being released soon? You know, with the little interview with his writer?

[TheodoricFriede]

Is there a Character Profile of him being released soon? You know, with the little interview with his writer?

Probably tomorrow.

[Hizoku]

Ugh, not really feeling the Fohawk/mustache combo... they just don't work together really.

[StrangeStrategy]

Except that Slavery is legal in Tevinter. And removing it could have been seen as crushing  to the economy, moral issues aside.

 

Blood Magic is NOT legal in Tevinter. Its just that people do it anyway, and there aren't really Templars in place to stop them. I dont think that the only way to rise through the ranks of Tevinter politics is to be a blood mage. Just a powerful mage.

 

Daenerys is from Tevinter?  

[Mr.House]

You have a point. But do remember that Lambert is also extremely biased as well. He was a Tevinter templar, with no power whatsoever, and served at the whim of the magisters.

 

Now, that being said, we have only seen a small portion of magisters, majority bad (granted), but there are probably others just as good as Mae and Dorian.

While true he could be bias, the fact that he was friends with the current archon and saw his rise to the position, I think his pov should be taken into consideration, also as a templar he would see more magisters then Fenris ever could and would see the struggle for power on a daily basis. The book does try to make it clear that it was his friends betrayal that broke Lambert for good and turned him into the man he was in Asunder.

 

In the end, Dorians pov will either make things more clearer or make things less clear and maybe more complex.

[Xilizhra]

The only overlords that won't do that in Tevinter are the ones who are not insane, happy with where they are and believe they are secured in their spot or don't want to be  higher in power. Any mage in Tevinter who wants power or a higher position will use blood magic so they can beat their competition.

You're implying that blood magic actually requires murder.

[Joe25]

What do you get when you have three Dorians.

Spoiler

The Three Musketeers

 

[Mr.House]

You're implying that blood magic actually requires murder.

Show me any survivor of blood magic that is NOT a gameplay mechanic(PC and companions)

 

Avernus subjects? All dead

The kids the Baroness kidnapped? All dead

Jowans ritual? Isolde is dead

the health boost at the aliange?elves die

 

I can go on.