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[ElitePinecone]

That's a good point. Can magisters inherit their status from mage parents, or is it case of working your way to the top for each one?
 
If it's the latter, I wonder if he was once more of a standard magister with slaves and all, but has had a change of heart and wants to change the system.

WoT says magisters can be appointed in four ways:

- Heirs can inherit the seat (which I suppose could allow transmission of magister status from parent to child, or master to apprentice)
- A mage from every Tevinter circle becomes a magister
- Every Grand Cleric in the Imperial Chantry, and the Imperial Divine, is a magister
- The Archon can appoint whoever they want and make new magisters at will

[Hellion Rex]

That's a good point. Can magisters inherit their status from mage parents, or is it case of working your way to the top for each one?

Yes, one of the ways that you can inherit a seat in the Magisterium is through being an heir to a magister.

 

http://dragonage.wik...ster#Background

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I wouldn't be terribly surprised if Dorian isn't the rebellious member of a prestigious Tevinter family that inherited the title, based on that. 

[ElitePinecone]

Exile does seem like a convenient way to get rid of troublesome magisters who upset the status quo...

[ElitePinecone]

That ancient and noble Tevinter family of "Peacocks"

[Chashan]

Ideally, I'd like for Dorian to be opposed to slavery, but for mage freedom. 

 

I'd like for him to not one-sidedly condemn the Imperium for once. So far, every single NPC who hailed from there were show-cased as being evil incarnate.

 

It's not like Leli' didn't speak up in defence of Orlais's serfdom already, which is not too much different.
 

[Hellion Rex]

That ancient and noble Tevinter family of "Peacocks"

*prayer circle for m/m*

 

I'd kill to romance this guy lol

[ElitePinecone]

What if he has a terrible secret like when we sneak into his ornate camp tent he has a portrait of himself slowly ageing with an enormous gray moustache?

WHAT IF.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I'd like for him to not one-sidedly condemn the Imperium for once. So far, every single NPC who hailed from there were show-cased as being evil incarnate.

 

It's not like Leli' didn't speak up in defence of Orlais's serfdom already, which is not too much different.
 

From the way they framed him in the survey, I think he's not going to be overly fond of Tevinter. I mean, from this;

 

"Dorian may wield power of the magisters, but he delights in not being what you’d expect of them. Brazen and clever, this outcast is on a crusade to rid his homeland of its corruption."

 

It sounds like he still has faith that the system in Tevinter could be corrected, but it definitely doesn't sound like he supports it in its current state. That's why I think it would be great if he totally supported mage freedom, but opposed slavery and a lot of the abuses that people hold up in Tevinter as why the rest of Thedas can't trust mages.

[Ryzaki]

Yeah, I sort of understand that...

Just strikes me as slightly at odds with how the rest of Ferelden nobility is presented in the lore, and especially the idea that nobles are jockeying for power. Even the younger son or daughter of the country's second Teyrn would have to be pretty attractive material for a political marriage, and I doubt Highever would want the opportunity for more power or status to be squandered. Every noble child is useful in that respect, and it seems anachronistic that they'd be willing to let a gay/lesbian offspring get away with not marrying anybody.

(The Noble's mother even mentions marriage in the meeting with that other lady.)

 

The Couslands from the brief intro don't see that power hungry though. After all Fergus wife is antivan. They seemed the sort to be perfectly fine where they were and guarded theirs but not too keen on rocking the boat. Or maybe they figured they'd let the young protagonist get his/her romps while young and marry later on in life. With Fergus already having an heir there was no rush. (Look at Bryce's reaction to the Cousland's blatant rejection of marrying Howe's kid. He's not at all concerned about it.  Even the mother is pretty much *sigh* you'll never get a decent husband like that to some of the fem PC's antics.)  And while Hawke's mother mentions finding a husband/wife it's pretty offhand.

[whogotsalami]

It would be cool too see a Tevinter culture from another perspective. All we've had so far in DA games is how evil Tevinter is, usually statements made by sworn enemies of Tevinter.

 

Where you stand depends on where you sit.

[Jynxed_]

It would be cool too see a Tevinter culture from another perspective. All we've had so far in DA games is how evil Tevinter is, usually statements made by sworn enemies of Tevinter.

 

Where you stand depends on where you sit

I just have to say, that your profile picture made me snort. Thank you for that xD

[SurelyForth]

DHMG has the potential to be an incredibly complex character. He gave up incredible privilege in Tevinter, but it's probable that he carries some of the trappings of that privilege with him. Even if his motivations are "good", he could still retain some of the problematic attitudes that makes Tevinter so spectacularly terrible. 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

DHMG has the potential to be an incredibly complex character. He gave up incredible privilege in Tevinter, but it's probable that he carries some of the trappings of that privilege with him. Even if his motivations are "good", he could still retain some of the problematic attitudes that makes Tevinter so spectacularly terrible. 

Which do you think he might be holding on to? Did you have anything specific in mind?

[Rinji the Bearded]

Which do you think he might be holding on to? Did you have anything specific in mind?

 

The superiority of magic immediately comes to mind.  Having little perspective of the non-magic user.

[Ryzaki]

The superiority of magic immediately comes to mind.  Having little perspective of the non-magic user.

 

Yeah that would be interesting. I do hope there's a bit of extra clashing with a Qunari Inq :3

[Hellion Rex]

Yeah that would be interesting. I do hope there's a bit of extra clashing with a Qunari Inq :3

No one cares about your stoopid Qunquisitor, Ryz.

[Ryzaki]

No one cares about your stoopid Qunquisitor, Ryz.

 

Why do you have to be like this Elu? I thought you loved me   But I get nothing but abuse and abuse from you and I did nothing to deserve it. </3

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Since it says Dorian wants to "rid his homeland of corruption", or something to that effect, I would say it's likely he isn't for totally dismantling the system of mages in positions of power. It's feasible that he just wants to get rid of the especially icky bits, like slaves and blood sacrifice. 

[Hellion Rex]

Why do you have to be like this Elu? I thought you loved me   But I get nothing but abuse and abuse from you and I did nothing to deserve it. </3

It's called tough love, dear.

[Jynxed_]

Since it says Dorian wants to "rid his homeland of corruption", or something to that effect, I would say it's likely he isn't for totally dismantling the system of mages in positions of power. It's feasible that he just wants to get rid of the especially icky bits, like slaves and blood sacrifice. 

maybe he's just referring to the darkspawn given he's helping the Inquisition? But if he did mean the slave problem, that would defiantly add to his already amazing character :3  

[Nocte ad Mortem]

maybe he's just referring to the darkspawn given he's helping the Inquisition? But if he did mean the slave problem, that would defiantly add to his already amazing character :3  

Well it says he "delights in being everything you expect him not to be", or basically that, so I think what they're trying to say is that he's opposed to what we, as the audience, most expect from a Tevinter Magister. Which is slaver owners, blood mages, etc. 

 

What I'm going to go out on a limb and guess is that he's an anti-slave, healer type mage (opposite of blood mage) that still supports mage freedom, possibly up to mage leadership without the usual abuses of Tevinter. I think he probably still supports the basic structure of Tevinter because of the line about him still being committed to removing the corruption from his homeland. If he was full-stop against mage freedom, he'd probably just switch sides and support the chantry, I'd think.

 

Don't think the Inquisition spends a lot of time fighting darkspawn, though, generally. 

[SurelyForth]

He could be wholly against blood magic, but not really care about slavery. Or he might be against slavery, but still be biased against elves. There's the "mages are still superior" attitude, too, but one underlined by more compassionate rulership over lessers rather than total subjugation. 

 

Or he could just be a good guy born into the wrong country, and repulsed by everything everyone seems to find repulsive about Tevinter. While that would make him easier to like, I imagine, I'm hoping they don't shy away from some of the more negative beliefs he can hold, at least in the beginning.

[Ryzaki]

It's called tough love, dear.

 

So we're in a rivalrymance then?

 

Well it says he "delights in being everything you expect him not to be", or basically that, so I think what they're trying to say is that he's opposed to what we, as the audience, most expect from a Tevinter Magister. Which is slaver owners, blood mages, etc. 

 

What I'm going to go out on a limb and guess is that he's an anti-slave, healer type mage (opposite of blood mage) that still supports mage freedom, possibly up to mage leadership without the usual abuses of Tevinter. I think he probably still supports the basic structure of Tevinter because of the line about him still being committed to removing the corruption from his homeland. If he was full-stop against mage freedom, he'd probably just switch sides and support the chantry, I'd think.

 

Don't think the Inquisition spends a lot of time fighting darkspawn, though, generally. 

 

I wonder if he'd support a mixture of mages and non mages ruling Tevinter. But yeah I'm sure that line is referring to the slavery bits as well.

 

And I do hope he brings to light some of the good Tevinter has.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

He could be wholly against blood magic, but not really care about slavery. Or he might be against slavery, but still be biased against elves. There's the "mages are still superior" attitude, too, but one underlined by more compassionate rulership over lessers rather than total subjugation. 

 

Or he could just be a good guy born into the wrong country, and repulsed by everything everyone seems to find repulsive about Tevinter. While that would make him easier to like, I imagine, I'm hoping they don't shy away from some of the more negative beliefs he can hold, at least in the beginning.

Well, honestly, I think half the forum would murder knife him just for saying mages should be allowed power positions, if they could. lol