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[Xilizhra]

They don't interact like they are shooting a porno for men. Pretty much her entire presence there was being eye candy for male gamers who were playing women. She wasn't put in there for women who are gay. Besides, Sera isn't attractive. I feel like a lot of the companions aren't nearly as attractive as they were in DAO and DA2. So odd to me.

Maybe you could PM me with everything you didn't like about Samantha's romance, to not derail the thread? I'm interested.

 

Regarding the other thing, Bioware was deliberately trying to move away from conventional standards of beauty in its companions in DAI.

[mordy_was_here]

Because they are almost ALWAYS written that way. I'm saying this is a woman who is queer. So please step off that b.s. The game industry is heavily sexist. FF romances are usually geared towards male gaze. Either way, it is my preference I don't have to defend it. I'm not interested as a queer woman being bombarded with porno for men. It isn't attractive to me.

 

Maybe take this to the romance thread, or the Sera thread, or just somewhere else in general?

[FiveThreeTen]

for a long time Italians weren't considered "white". One of my relatives, back when Native Americans had to have a ration card in the United States to do anything, would try and pass as Italian. He was still treated like poop for that, but he could not be arrested.

 

To be fair if you go to North Italy or Tessin region, you will see a lot of "Germanic typed" Italians. So this misconception is really relative to American history.

[SurelyForth]

So you don't think there are blonde haired blue eyed italians or greeks?  You do know what Tevinter is based on, right?  Of course, that being said - there's nothing wrong with changing an imaginary characters looks at all. 

 

That doesn't matter.

 

What matters is Dorian has been designated as not being white. He has dark skin and black hair and regardless of what other people in Tevinter might look like, Dorian is not a white man. 

 

And it does matter, because PoC are underrepresented as is in media, so by making him white (especially for aesthetic purposes, because PoC are already assaulted with messages that their dark skin makes them less desirable) you are erasing much needed representation. It's no different than erasing his sexuality because you're prefer that he be straight.

[draken-heart]

I did not think I would like Dorian, being from Tevinter and all (did not read the comics or Novels), but reading the Interview with David Gaider, I think I might just give the guy a chance.

[The Elder King]

for a long time Italians weren't considered "white". One of my relatives, back when Native Americans had to have a ration card in the United States to do anything, would try and pass as Italian. He was still treated like poop for that, but he could not be arrested.

This is/was more about the country then the skin, i think.

[fizzypop]

Maybe you could PM me with everything you didn't like about Samantha's romance, to not derail the thread? I'm interested.

 

Regarding the other thing, Bioware was deliberately trying to move away from conventional standards of beauty in its companions in DAI.

Sure give me a little bit. I really love her as a character, but as a romance it was very uncomfortable for me.

[Xilizhra]

That doesn't matter.

 

What matters is Dorian has been designated as not being white. He has dark skin and black hair and regardless of what other people in Tevinter might look like, Dorian is not a white man. 

 

And it does matter, because PoC are underrepresented as is in media, so by making him white (especially for aesthetic purposes, because PoC are already assaulted with messages that their dark skin makes them less desirable) you are erasing much needed representation. It's no different than erasing his sexuality because you're prefer that he be straight.

Er... I'm fairly sure Dorian is white, just Latin as opposed to Germanic.

[Battlebloodmage]

How would you say that lesbians "actually interact" that is not included in Samantha's romance?

While I can't commend on whether Samantha's romance was catered to lesbians, ME games cater to straight males mostly in the first 2 games. Both games have lesbian options but not gay males like with Liara and Kelly. An entire alien race of bisexual women is already seemed like a straight guy's fantasy. That, however, is just pertained to ME, DA has been pretty generous with the straight ladies, seeing as they get the same number of options as straight male in the first game and 3 options in the second game. They haven't revealed the straight options for the straight females yet, so there is no need to despair over it for now. Let's just wait and see what they show next.

[The Elder King]

To be fair if you go to North Italy or Tessin region, you will see a lot of "Germanic typed" Italians. So this misconception is really relative to American history.

Yup. The darker skinned Italian are present a lot more from Rome to the southern regions.

[MotoSkunkX]

Maybe you could PM me with everything you didn't like about Samantha's romance, to not derail the thread? I'm interested.

 

Regarding the other thing, Bioware was deliberately trying to move away from conventional standards of beauty in its companions in DAI.

 

If you take out the 'conventional standards of' part, I'd agree with you.  It's one of the reasons why apparently lack of a toolset of any kind or any modding support is so depressing.  Almost makes me not want to play the game, because if I wanted to run around with a bunch social outcasts who are ALSO hideous I'd play league of legends.

[Maria Caliban]

Maybe you could PM me with everything you didn't like about Samantha's romance, to not derail the thread? I'm interested.

Or we could take it to the Sera thread. A conversation on how BioWare has failed to properly represent queer women would fit in better there.

(Sorry Dorian thread!)

[fizzypop]

Weird to me Dorian seems more Greek than Latin.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Dorian is perfect the way Bioware made him. He's already the hottest character they've ever made. People should just stop trying to top it, not gonna happen. 

Let's not get carried away here. He's hot, but he's not the hottest character Bioware has ever made. 

[fizzypop]

Let's not get carried away here. He's hot, but he's not the hottest character Bioware has ever made. 

Maybe not the hottest, but for DAI? I agree with that, he's way more attractive than any of the other characters. Though Viv does give him a run for his money.

[Maria Caliban]

One thing I should note.

David may make Dorian utterly charming, romantic, and passionate... and then smash your hearts to a thousand bitty pieces.

[Fizzie Panda]

They don't interact like they are shooting a porno for men. Pretty much her entire presence there was being eye candy for male gamers who were playing women. She wasn't put in there for women who are gay. Besides, Sera isn't attractive. I feel like a lot of the companions aren't nearly as attractive as they were in DAO and DA2. So odd to me.

Then how would you have done the Samantha romance. Are you seriously suggesting there's only one type of romance that specifically goes with f/f interaction. There's a little bit more people in the world than that. This is ONE interpretation.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Let's not get carried away here. He's hot, but he's not the hottest character Bioware has ever made. 

I was mostly joking. Obviously that's never going to be something everyone will agree on. 

[Statare]

This is/was more about the country then the skin, i think.

 

 

I tend to think it was more about skin, just because the people who passed could only do so because their skin was fair enough to be vague. Generally, I still think Italian/Greek are "white" but saying so also ignores that those places had a lot of interaction/interchange with the Middle East and Africa, places we don't call "white" by any means.

[daveliam]

That doesn't matter.

 

What matters is Dorian has been designated as not being white. He has dark skin and black hair and regardless of what other people in Tevinter might look like, Dorian is not a white man. 

 

And it does matter, because PoC are underrepresented as is in media, so by making him white (especially for aesthetic purposes, because PoC are already assaulted with messages that their dark skin makes them less desirable) you are erasing much needed representation. It's no different than erasing his sexuality because you're prefer that he be straight.

 

To be fair, Dorian is not confirmed as being a PoC.  He has a swarthy skin color that is commonly found in both PoC's and white people.  He has light hazel eyes, which can be found in both PoC's and white people.  He could be white OR a PoC.  You seem to be asserting your opinion as fact.

 

On a different note, I cannot wait for my Inquisitor to go out adventuring with Iron Bull, Vivienne, and Dorian.  It's going to be "glorious" (said in Cailan's voice).......

[Hanako Ikezawa]

I'm just here hoping he's lawful evil, pro-slavery and pro mage dominance.

I hope not. I'd prefer to not have to kill any of my companions this time. 

[mlgumm]

I think my first character shall be a rogue so that I can have a party of Dorian, Viv and Iron Bull most of the time. I'll switch it around sometimes so I can get to know everybody, but I think those three will be great together. We shall go on many great adventures!

[Dream]

So him being bi wouldn't be believable? 

 

What does that have to do with anything? Can you not be happy that gay gamers finally get representing romances for them in a bioware game (being, both Dorian and Sera)? I get you're disappointed but could you at least try to be happy for us?

 

We had a bi cast last game and no one was happy with that, either. Not even parts of the female fanbase, because I guess romancing guys that like peen on the side is icky or something. Always feels like gay gamers can't win.

[Fizzie Panda]

I'm just here hoping he's lawful evil, pro-slavery and pro mage dominance.

Uhh... wtf. Why would you want a companion that's pro-slavery. If he is (which I doubt it, considering he's staked out the moral high ground) I don't what he stands for, I'll kill him just like I killed Anders for bombing the chantry.

 

I don't want a companion who's all "the end justifies the means" and "someone has to take the first step *boom* "