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[mlgumm]

I think I'll just come back in a couple days when things have calmed down...  

[Hanako Ikezawa]

What does that have to do with anything? Can you not be happy that gay gamers finally get representing romances for them in a bioware game (being, both Dorian and Sera)? I get you're disappointed but could you at least try to be happy for us?

 

We had a bi cast last game and no one was happy with that, either. Not even parts of the female fanbase, because I guess romancing guys that like peen on the side is icky or something. Always feels like gay gamers can't win.

As I explained to the first person who answered that, I was simply curious what the poster meant. I am very happy for the gay guys who get Dorian. Nowhere will you see me say otherwise. 

 

Also, I was very happy with DA2's system.

[SurelyForth]

To be fair, Dorian is not confirmed as being a PoC.  He has a swarthy skin color that is commonly found in both PoC's and white people.  He has light hazel eyes, which can be found in both PoC's and white people.  He could be white OR a PoC.  You seem to be asserting your opinion as fact.

 

 

This is true, I can admit. However, it doesn't change the fact that many PoC are incredibly excited to have an unambiguously brown male character in a DA game, given their rarity, so turning his skin pasty white is a further reminder that even borderline PoC are too brown and require experimentation and lightening to make them more palatable. 

 

(and if this reaction seems harsh, this is pretty much a straw that broke the camels back situation, after months of veiled racism directed at other non-pasty white characters, Sera being lightened from her concept, and Dorian and Vivienne already being whitewashed in fanart. seeing it brought here, in an official forum, when we are celebrating BW's inclusiveness feels almost surreal)

[Hellion Rex]

This is true, I can admit. However, it doesn't change the fact that many PoC are incredibly excited to have an unambiguously brown male character in a DA game, given their rarity, so turning his skin pasty white is a further reminder that even borderline PoC are too brown and require experimentation and lightening to make them more palatable. 

 

(and if this reaction seems harsh, this is pretty much a straw that broke the camels back situation, after months of veiled racism directed at other non-pasty white characters, Sera being lightened from her concept, and Dorian and Vivienne already being whitewashed in fanart. seeing it brought here, in an official forum, when we are celebrating BW's inclusiveness feels almost surreal)

Let's let this tangent die here, shall we?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I think Dorian might at least be partially Indian in design choice. His voice actor is supposedly East Indian in heritage and he looks to have some Indian aesthetic choices. I could be wrong, but I have a close friend that's Indian South African and he has a very similar skin tone and hazel eyes, so it definitely stood out to me.  

[fizzypop]

Then how would you have done the Samantha romance. Are you seriously suggesting there's only one type of romance that specifically goes with f/f interaction. There's a little bit more people in the world than that. This is ONE interpretation.

No. I just don't like it when lesbian romances are hyped up for men. The majority of the time, they are. I mean I even hated how leilana interacted with my female warden. More times than not I get angry/upset over how they are portrayed so I don't bother doing it. Anyways, if you want to talk more you can PM me about it. I don't want to knock this more off course.

[wolfhowwl]

Uhh... wtf. Why would you want a companion that's pro-slavery. If he is (which I doubt it, considering he's staked out the moral high ground) I don't what he stands for, I'll kill him just like I killed Anders for bombing the chantry.

 

I don't want a companion who's all "the end justifies the means" and "someone has to take the first step *boom* "

 

I think it would interesting to experience a companion that fully supports Tevinter and everything they stand for.

[fizzypop]

I'm just here hoping he's lawful evil, pro-slavery and pro mage dominance.

omg I'd pay for bioware to add in fenris if that is true. It'd be the most hilarious banter ever.

[MattH]

Shhhhhh. Stop all this. This is something to celebrate and be grateful for. Leave all the nasty feelings at the door and enjoy the fact that we FINALLY have a gay male prominent character in DA.

Quit the white washing and stache removing. Dorian is *ucking majestic as he is.

[Statare]

Let's let this tangent die here, shall we?

 

While I agree with you. I'd like to politely say "word choice." Sometimes people feel a certain way, passionately, and that passion can come out. That's good. Their arguments should not "die," but should instead find a different outlet other than taking over a whole thread. I think we can all understand this.

 

*plays some sappy song*

[Fizzie Panda]

No. I just don't like it when lesbian romances are hyped up for men. The majority of the time, they are. I mean I even hated how leilana interacted with my female warden. More times than not I get angry/upset over how they are portrayed so I don't bother doing it. Anyways, if you want to talk more you can PM me about it. I don't want to knock this more off course.

Nah, I see your fair point. Personally I was disappointed when my shep couldn't romance Samantha. I think I forgot about Leliana's s/s romance. But, to be fair I think Zevran's s/s was odd too. But that's just my opinion

 

Because it's a RPG and some of my characters would agree with that.

 

It also means more interesting interactions with the ones that are against.

I see your point, and I understand where you're coming from. I think that Bioware is making these companions more... for lack of a better word: "nice" than previous companions. Although I think the extreme is Anders. Regardless, anyone who wants to hurt innocents, all my Inquisitors will probably kill them.

[SurelyForth]

Let's let this tangent die here, shall we?

 

By all means, call me out when people are happily demeaning PoC and playing the reverse racism card like it's an actual thing that exists.

 

Here, is this on-topic enough? I agree with Mort. His VA being East Asian is one of the reasons why it's hard for me to parse him being white. The Roman Empire was incredibly racially diverse, and I am inclined to think that his design and VA were deliberately chosen to reflect a similar aspect of the Tevinter Empire. 

[Battlebloodmage]

I'd apologize, but looking at your avatar makes me a little sad when I think of Cass's appearance in DA2.  Let's call it even?

 

Why is it a problem?  Spoilers:  Plenty of non-whites view white skin as more attractive, and have done so well before they ever met any actual white people (south american and asian cultures both immediately spring to mind).  Or, following your particularly insane way of thinking - how do you know they're not just white people trapped in black bodies?  I think if you're trying to find bigotry your first stop should be a shop that sells mirrors.

 

The industry wouldn't be there if there wasn't a demand, and the demand wouldn't be there if people didn't think that way.  Trying to tell people what they should think is awful.  You should consider that maybe society isn't the one in the wrong here, you are.

Nowhere I said people are bigots for liking the white skin version so just stop with the victim complex please. My point is more like society is being wired to think a certain ways due to perpetuate views which promote a certain look over the others. I just find it sad it turns out that way instead of celebrating all variety of beauty we have in every race. I have never claimed anyone is wrong for liking it so stop putting words into my mouth.

[Fizzie Panda]

I think it would interesting to experience a companion that fully supports Tevinter and everything they stand for.

I agree with that, maybe the next game we'll go to Tevinter. But slavery is just... disgusting.

[Hanako Ikezawa]

Can I ask where that gif is from?

Robin Hood: Men in Tights.

[AlexWk31]

This thread turned disappointing so quick I think I might have whiplash. I'll just say, I was always under the assumption that Dorian wasn't white. It made zero impact on my opinion of his character or his perceived attractiveness. 

[Xilizhra]

By all means, call me out when people are happily demeaning PoC and playing the reverse racism card like it's an actual thing that exists.

 

Here, is this on-topic enough? I agree with Mort. His VA being East Asian is one of the reasons why it's hard for me to parse him being white. The Roman Empire was incredibly racially diverse, and I am inclined to think that his design and VA were deliberately chosen to reflect a similar aspect of the Tevinter Empire. 

Do East Asian people exist in Thedas? I was under the impression that the natives of Seheron and the like were black, Rivainis were somewhat Middle Eastern, and everyone else was some flavor of European. Thedas is a fairly sizeable continent, but it's not nearly as big as the full Eurasian landmass.

[daveliam]

This is true, I can admit. However, it doesn't change the fact that many PoC are incredibly excited to have an unambiguously brown male character in a DA game, given their rarity, so turning his skin pasty white is a further reminder that even borderline PoC are too brown and require experimentation and lightening to make them more palatable. 

 

(and if this reaction seems harsh, this is pretty much a straw that broke the camels back situation, after months of veiled racism directed at other non-pasty white characters, Sera being lightened from her concept, and Dorian and Vivienne already being whitewashed in fanart. seeing it brought here, in an official forum, when we are celebrating BW's inclusiveness feels almost surreal)

 

I understand your frustration about the general whitewashing.  It get it.  I was just point out that Dorian isn't actually confirmed as a PoC.  It's a small point because, even if he is just a swarthy white guy, it's still ringing of whitewashing to you and I can understand why that it frustrating.

 

Hopefully, we can move away from race and back to talking about how amazingly dashing gay Dorian is!!! 

[Hellion Rex]

By all means, call me out when people are happily demeaning PoC and playing the reverse racism card like it's an actual thing that exists.

 

Here, is this on-topic enough? I agree with Mort. His VA being East Asian is one of the reasons why it's hard for me to parse him being white. The Roman Empire was incredibly racially diverse, and I am inclined to think that his design and VA were deliberately chosen to reflect a similar aspect of the Tevinter Empire. 

I am calling out everyone who is trying to derail the thread.

 

And thank you for getting back on topic.

[Statare]

Do East Asian people exist in Thedas? I was under the impression that the natives of Seheron and the like were black, Rivainis were somewhat Middle Eastern, and everyone else was some flavor of European. Thedas is a fairly sizeable continent, but it's not nearly as big as the full Eurasian landmass.

 

They've never said anything 100%. lot's of things have evolved over the course of the series. They've even mentioned a few times that they'd change a lot of things from other games (like Fenris, only example I have on the top of my head) because they did not match how they've developed the different Thedosian cultures.

 

So my point is: we don't know.

[The Elder King]

The exact same thing could be said about the Circle of Magi.

Or the alienage system. Or the caste system. Or the Qunari's treatment of mages.
Thedas is overall a sh***y place to live...if you're not in charge.