Guest_fanofthecullen_*
Do you mean anti gay or people against having every companion being bisexual/playersexual? That is what I pretty much saw in DA2's forums from what I recall. I was part of that group and it wasn't about being against gay people or bisexual people, it was just about having every companion being playersexual, was a bit jarring.
Nah I mean the whole 'OMG ANDERS HIT ON ME EW EW EW EW' thing. Some guys found it very unsettling and reacted accordingly....>.<
Nah I mean the whole 'OMG ANDERS HIT ON ME EW EW EW EW' thing. Some guys found it very unsettling and reacted accordingly....>.<
Some claimed they were ninjamanced and that it was a part of some 'gay agenda' too. I guess because the flirt options weren't obviously marked with a BIG GLOWING GOLD HEART... oh wait...
On a nicer topic!:
Them beautiful eyes. Discuss. c:
On a nicer topic!:
Them beautiful eyes. Discuss. c:
So prettiful... 
Interesting, I wonder if the announcement of Dorian's sexuality was, at least on some level, a way to "prepare" guys ahead of time so that there won't be the same shock and horror that was professed when Anders hit on them? I mean, as ridiculous at it was to complain about Anders hitting on them, it would be even worse if they complained about the openly gay character who we've known was gay for four months before the game was even shipped.
I'm really, really interested in seeing how Dorian's character plays out. He's interesting to me on so many levels: his sexuality and the conflict it brought in his family; his rejection of strong cultural norms in his country; his crusade against corruption in Tevinter; his sharp biting frenemy relationship with Vivienne; his unusual relationship with Iron Bull..... He's really going to be a very interesting guy to learn about.
So, how will he react to the Dalish? More to the point, how will he react to Dalish who are still kind of angry with Tevinter for the whole "conquest and enslavement" thing? Because my Inquisitor will probably be such.
Racism seems endemic to Thedosian nobility, and as of yet, there doesn't seem to be a reason for Dorian to be an exception.
Interesting, I wonder if the announcement of Dorian's sexuality was, at least on some level, a way to "prepare" guys ahead of time so that there won't be the same shock and horror that was professed when Anders hit on them? I mean, as ridiculous at it was to complain about Anders hitting on them, it would be even worse if they complained about the openly gay character who we've known was gay for four months before the game was even shipped.
I'm really, really interested in seeing how Dorian's character plays out. He's interesting to me on so many levels: his sexuality and the conflict it brought in his family; his rejection of strong cultural norms in his country; his crusade against corruption in Tevinter; his sharp biting frenemy relationship with Vivienne; his unusual relationship with Iron Bull..... He's really going to be a very interesting guy to learn about.
Dorian has already claimed a permanent spot in my party. All of my parties with all of my Inquisitors, most likely.
Cole is coming up as a close second, but I also love Viviene and Varric and Cass and Iron Bull and... and... and...!
This is the first time I'm going to have such a difficult time choosing between companions. ;n;
So, how will he react to the Dalish? More to the point, how will he react to Dalish who are still kind of angry with Tevinter for the whole "conquest and enslavement" thing? Because my Inquisitor will probably be such.
Racism seems endemic to Thedosian nobility, and as of yet, there doesn't seem to be a reason for Dorian to be an exception.
I'm not about to make any predictions with SURETY, seeing we just don't know, but I think there's reasons for Dorian to be different in his very character. He's the redeemer. He's sick of how Tevinter has become the villain. He wants to turn his country around. I imagine that could very possibly involve feelings of apology towards the Dalish for what has been done and how they've been treated, because he doesn't agree with what the magisters and governments have been doing.
So, how will he react to the Dalish? More to the point, how will he react to Dalish who are still kind of angry with Tevinter for the whole "conquest and enslavement" thing? Because my Inquisitor will probably be such.
Racism seems endemic to Thedosian nobility, and as of yet, there doesn't seem to be a reason for Dorian to be an exception.
The fall of Arlathan was like 2000 years ago...
I mean being angry at current slavery , fine.Between angry about a war your people lost ages ago....I hope Dorian would just say something like "get over it."
Guest_Terrian_*
So based on what we know about the flamboyant Dorian which companion is everyone planning to have accompany them when they take Dorian?
Personally I plan on: Dorian/Vivienne/not so well dressed companion just to see all the "filthy clothing" dialogue.
I also wonder if Dorian will talk about his and other companions' appearance only when Vivi is around and just be sarcastic and fun when she's not.
Well, Iron Bull/Sera/Dorian (a.k.a Team YOLO) has to happen, and I think Dorian/Vivienne/Solas is also interesting. I'm also curious about a Cassandra/Varric/Dorian and a Blackwall/Cole/Dorian party as well. That technically means that I'm curious to see how Dorian interacts with each of the party members, but that's probably how I'm going to go about it.
In general, for my first three playthroughs, I had planned to go like this:
1- Male Dwarf Warrior + Cassandra, Varric, Vivienne
2- Male Human Mage + Iron Bull, Cole, Dorian
3- Female Qunari Warrior + Blackwall, Sera, Solas
But after the dev tweets, I'm going with:
1- Male Dwarf Warrior + Cassandra, Cole, Solas
2- Male Human Mage + Iron Bull, Sera, Dorian
3- Female Qunari Warrior + Blackwall, Varric, Vivienne
So, how will he react to the Dalish? More to the point, how will he react to Dalish who are still kind of angry with Tevinter for the whole "conquest and enslavement" thing? Because my Inquisitor will probably be such.
Racism seems endemic to Thedosian nobility, and as of yet, there doesn't seem to be a reason for Dorian to be an exception.
I actually think he does have reason to be an exception. The racism against elves is partially due to the slavery. It's very common in cultures with slavery against a group of people for those who are in power to create this institutionalized racism against that group. It "eases" the fact that those people are being treated like animals. If the magisters encouraged racism against elves, it would create less and less sympathy for them and more ways in which they would be oppressed, making it less likely that they would be able to revolt or gain prestige in any way.
All of this sounds like exactly the type of corruption that Dorian is against. I have a feeling that he will be strongly against elven racism, possibly to the point of being almost patronizing, but with good intentions.
I'm not about to make any predictions with SURETY, seeing we just don't know, but I think there's reasons for Dorian to be different in his very character. He's the redeemer. He's sick of how Tevinter has become the villain. He wants to turn his country around. I imagine that could very possibly involve feelings of apology towards the Dalish for what has been done and how they've been treated, because he doesn't agree with what the magisters and governments have been doing.
It's just that the vast majority of people who see Tevinter as the bad guy also see the elves as worthless. The question is, does Dorian only care about redeeming Tevinter in the eyes of humans, or would it be in elves as well? If so, why?
The fall of Arlathan was like 2000 years ago...
I mean being angry at current slavery , fine.Between angry about a war your people lost ages ago....I hope Dorian would just say something like "get over it."
"At least our gods are only missing. Yours are dying, at least when you're not praying to some Orlesian phantom."
I actually think he does have reason to be an exception. The racism against elves is partially due to the slavery. It's very common in cultures with slavery against a group of people for those who are in power to create this institutionalized racism against that group. It "eases" the fact that those people are being treated like animals. If the magisters encouraged racism against elves, it would create less and less sympathy for them and more ways in which they would be oppressed, making it less likely that they would be able to revolt or gain prestige in any way.
All of this sounds like exactly the type of corruption that Dorian is against. I have a feeling that he will be strongly against elven racism, possibly to the point of being almost patronizing, but with good intentions.
So, like Leliana in that case? Hopefully we get a chance to call him out too.
It's just that the vast majority of people who see Tevinter as the bad guy also see the elves as worthless. The question is, does Dorian only care about redeeming Tevinter in the eyes of humans, or would it be in elves as well? If so, why?
Well, if he does feel apologetic towards the Dalish, the why might simply just come down to how it's right. He seems like someone who might have strong morals and that's what's lead him to want to save a country he loves. Still, I imagine he'd be most focused on the sacrifices, corruption, classism and hopefully the slavery seeing his character goal surrounds his country specifically.
Well, if he does feel apologetic towards the Dalish, the why might simply just come down to how it's right. He seems like someone who might have strong morals and that's what's lead him to want to save a country he loves. Still, I imagine he'd be most focused on the sacrifices, corruption, classism and hopefully the slavery seeing his character goal surrounds his country specifically.
I suppose I can understand that. I won't pounce on him for it instantly, it's just that his Tevinter reformations all seemed to come from a wholly human perspective. But I suppose there are a lot of elven slaves over there...
Interesting, I wonder if the announcement of Dorian's sexuality was, at least on some level, a way to "prepare" guys ahead of time so that there won't be the same shock and horror that was professed when Anders hit on them? I mean, as ridiculous at it was to complain about Anders hitting on them, it would be even worse if they complained about the openly gay character who we've known was gay for four months before the game was even shipped.
I suspect this was at least part of the reason, though the less cynical side of me thinks it was also a nice gesture to people who have been waiting for information, plus a way to reaffirm that they're still doing same-sex relationships.
(And David seemed particularly pleased to talk about that side of Dorian's character arc, so it might've just been something he wanted to reveal on his own terms.)
The fall of Arlathan was like 2000 years ago...
I mean being angry at current slavery , fine.Between angry about a war your people lost ages ago....I hope Dorian would just say something like "get over it."
The elves are still suffering from the effects 2000 years later, so I hope he wouldn't say something like that.
It's just that the vast majority of people who see Tevinter as the bad guy also see the elves as worthless. The question is, does Dorian only care about redeeming Tevinter in the eyes of humans, or would it be in elves as well? If so, why?
"At least our gods are only missing. Yours are dying, at least when you're not praying to some Orlesian phantom."
So, like Leliana in that case? Hopefully we get a chance to call him out too.
I'm not sure it's possible to redeem anything if your roleplaying somebody who's keeping a torch for a grudge lasting for 2000 years.
Besides some Dalish don't see city elves , and I suppose Tevinter slaves as "true" elves.
Remember the elves were freed from The Empire.I guess those who were in the capital didn't have this luck , I don't think Minrathous was taken by Andraste.
The Dalish are part of the people who defeated the Empire , (Shartan...) and did the Long Walk to the Dales.
I really doubt Dorian is going to be pro slavery because lots of players would simply put him on their sh**list , and nobody is going to take him very seriously.
I mean even Fenris a tevinter slave was dismissing the Dalish , he also didn't respect city elves all that much.
Tevinter slaves are the elves who are probably suffering the most , and also the one who are more vocal , it seems they rebel all the time even if they are crushed and crushed again.
It's possible Dorian is going to have a lot of sympathy for them (because when they rebel all the magister become BFF suddenly just to put the rebellion down)
But I don't think he's going to apologize to a city elf or a Dalish.
I suppose I can understand that. I won't pounce on him for it instantly, it's just that his Tevinter reformations all seemed to come from a wholly human perspective. But I suppose there are a lot of elven slaves over there...
I think it's a little difficult to tell at this point, but I do like throwing around this kind of speculation! I could see the potential of slip ups with him, not because he means to or doesn't care, but because he comes from a very specific view point and it's sometimes difficult to place yourself in the shoes of another, so he might try to overcompensate or something of the like. It would be interesting talking to him about that, if that's the case. 
I think it's a little difficult to tell at this point, but I do like throwing around this kind of speculation! I could see the potential of slip ups with him, not because he means to or doesn't care, but because he comes from a very specific view point and it's sometimes difficult to place yourself in the shoes of another, so he might try to overcompensate or something of the like. It would be interesting talking to him about that, if that's the case.
It should, at any rate, be interesting. He's at least the mage I'm second most likely to use (I haven't been in Solas' thread because I don't see the point; we know virtually nothing about him).
Are we even sure Tevinter is as racist as most countries against elves? Tevinter values magic above all else and there are strong elven mages. We've seen an elf become a magister, so it's not forbidden there. I would think a powerful elf mage would be consider much higher up in social status in Tevinter than a non-magical human. I wouldn't be surprised if Dorian didn't take more easily to an elven mage Inquisitor than a human warrior Inquisitor, for example.
Are we even sure Tevinter is as racist as most countries against elves? Tevinter values magic above all else and there are strong elven mages. We've seen an elf become a magister, so it's not forbidden there. I would think a powerful elf mage would be consider much higher up in social status in Tevinter than a non-magical human. I wouldn't be surprised if Dorian didn't take more easily to an elven mage Inquisitor than a human warrior Inquisitor, for example.
World of Thedas said something about this, but I forget what.
I feel Dorian will be one of the more personable members of our Inquisition. He sounds like he'd be a friendly kind of guy to everyone so long as they weren't complete douchenebulas. Just judging from what we know so far and how he seems charming and diplomatic in general, at least.
Clarification: Well, we know he can be a sarcastic little thing and can rib people, which I hope won't be malicious, but I mean in terms of race. He's one of the characters I suspect won't judge the Inquisitor simply by what they are. A qunari Inquisitor might have an interesting initial conversation, though.
Are we even sure Tevinter is as racist as most countries against elves? Tevinter values magic above all else and there are strong elven mages. We've seen an elf become a magister, so it's not forbidden there. I would think a powerful elf mage would be consider much higher up in social status in Tevinter than a non-magical human. I wouldn't be surprised if Dorian didn't take more easily to an elven mage Inquisitor than a human warrior Inquisitor, for example.
I read that the Alienages are better in Tevinter, but I think it was because of elves who sold themselves into slavery.
Are we even sure Tevinter is as racist as most countries against elves? Tevinter values magic above all else and there are strong elven mages. We've seen an elf become a magister, so it's not forbidden there. I would think a powerful elf mage would be consider much higher up in social status in Tevinter than a non-magical human. I wouldn't be surprised if Dorian didn't take more easily to an elven mage Inquisitor than a human warrior Inquisitor, for example.
We don't know if elves can become magisters.
Elves were all slaves as far as I know , and once a elf is freed , he belongs to a special class .."Liberati".
The Liberati have more freedom but are not seen as citizen of the Imperium.
And I think if there's some strong elven mage ,well...Human+ elf having babies = human babies.So...
We don't know if elves can become magisters.
Elves were all slaves as far as I know , and once a elf is freed , he belongs to a special class .."Liberati".
The Liberati have more freedom but are not seen as citizen of the Imperium.
And I think if there's some strong elven mage ,well...Human+ elf having babies = human babies.So...
Fenris' sister, I believe, was going to become a magister's apprentice for turning over her brother. I imagine from there she could have become a magister if it worked out?
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