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I don't even know what to think about race gating, honestly. I don't know how extensive it will be. They've said not every character will be race gated. It could be almost every character or it could be only one character. It's something they've never done before, so I couldn't even guess. 

 

In general, though, I'd have less concern for romancing Dorian with an elf than a dwarf.  



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Yeah, Maker hear your words. I'm not too happy about gender locking, but then there's race locking. If there's class locking, I swear. -.- At least he's locked to the gender I wanted to romance him as hee hee but I'm still a supporter of playersexuality.

 

What were you wrong about? :o

 

I'm going to cry myself to sleep if I can't have my qunisitor have the D.



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I'm so angry by the some of the stupidity I've seen posted over the internet over Dorian's sexuality. Nobody seemed to care when Sera was announced as a lesbian, but Dorian being gay kicks up a fuss.

Not quite. I saw a bunch of straight homophobic jerks complaining about how it wasn't fair that the only "attractive" female character was gay. Granted, I agree that Dorian did kick up a bigger fuss.
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#8054
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Not quite. I saw a bunch of straight* assholes complaining about how it wasn't fair that the only "attractive" female character was gay. Granted, I agree that Dorian did kick up a bigger fuss.

 

That reminds of the whole fiasco surrounding swing-both-ways-Kaidan, Cortez, and Traynor.



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Elu the art you had on as your avatar right before this last one was of Dorian?? Do you have a link?


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Not quite. I saw a bunch of straight homophobic jerks complaining about how it wasn't fair that the only "attractive" female character was gay. Granted, I agree that Dorian did kick up a bigger fuss.

 

True but that mostly seemed to be a within the fan base issue. I didn't notice nearly as much talk of bioware pushing the gay agenda and shoving gay people and their "lifestyle" down peoples thoughts. 

 

I don't know if it's a gift or a curse to lesbians that they never seem to get as much attention as gay men. On the one hand they don't get as much abuse but on the other they have to play second fiddle to gay men and that can't be fun or good for them tbf. Gay men will always get more attention it seems, is it all just because straight men find lesbian sex attractive and gay sex repulsive? 



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True but that mostly seemed to be a within the fan base issue. I didn't notice nearly as much talk of bioware pushing the gay agenda and shoving gay people and their "lifestyle" down peoples thoughts. 

 

I don't know if it's a gift or a curse to lesbians that they never seem to get as much attention as gay men. On the one hand they don't get as much abuse but on the other they have to play second fiddle to gay men and that can't be fun or good for them tbf. Gay men will always get more attention it seems, is it all just because straight men find lesbian sex attractive and gay sex repulsive? 

 

Are you aware that you just answered your own question?



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To be honest, though, I don't really think there's been that negative of a response. The articles being written generally call this a positive thing. The comments are mixed. I read the IGN comments, myself, and while there were a lot of jerks, there were also many people defending Bioware's decision and explaining why this is a big deal for some people. I don't think this is really going too badly. 


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The fear of gay men stems from sexism against women. But that's all I'm going to contribute. This is getting way too into sexual orientation when that's not only just one part of the character, but completely off topic.
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Elu the art you had on as your avatar right before this last one was of Dorian?? Do you have a link?

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Well as someone who's been biting their tongue until it bled, some of it's disappointment. Some people had their hearts set on Dorian and now they aren't getting him. Cue unwise comments. But their seems to be something about the existence of gay men specifically that brings out all manner of jerks.Why, I have no idea.

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Thank you!


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The fear of gay men stems from sexism against women. But that's all I'm going to contribute. This is getting way too into sexual orientation when that's not only just one part of the character, but completely off topic.

Hold up, what?



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Not quite. I saw a bunch of straight homophobic jerks complaining about how it wasn't fair that the only "attractive" female character was gay. Granted, I agree that Dorian did kick up a bigger fuss.

It annoys me so much, I've seen people posting that they're sick of seeing homosexuality blasted in their faces once again. It's not like Dorian's sexuality will be core to the story at least not likely, it's just something you can explore as a player if you decide to do so. I sure don't kick up a fuss seeing 95% of games focus on straight relationships, though I guess my argument would be a lot stronger than their and their gay-hate. Dorian's sexuality could be argued as small, but it's a nice touch to associate with personality trait like this included within the series.



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Poor Cole.  :(


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homosexuality blasted in their faces

Well, it's nice that they found a phrase with even more graphic implications than "shoving it down their throats" finally. 


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In a way, I sort of wonder if the "Dorian and Felix had a relationship and their parents didn't approve" plot possibility is what they're using for the basis that set sexuality creates a "more fully fleshed out" character.  

 

Yeah, in the sense that it's a chance for him to have some conversations about his feelings - and the situation in Tevinter.



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I don't know if it's a gift or a curse to lesbians that they never seem to get as much attention as gay men. 

 

It's definitely not a gift for lesbians to be sexually objectified, exploited, and utilized for straight men's sexual desires and approval.  Lesbians get plenty of (negative) attention, it is just also shown in different ways.  It's through society's heteronormative dude lenses, "lesbians' value is only in getting me off" vs. "gay men touching has no sexual interest to me so therefore it has no value, grosssssss."


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I don't know if it's a gift or a curse to lesbians that they never seem to get as much attention as gay men. On the one hand they don't get as much abuse but on the other they have to play second fiddle to gay men and that can't be fun or good for them tbf. Gay men will always get more attention it seems, is it all just because straight men find lesbian sex attractive and gay sex repulsive? 

Ugh, dude. Open mouth, insert foot. Who says they don't get as much abuse? You seriously need to be careful about what you are saying, man.



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True but that mostly seemed to be a within the fan base issue. I didn't notice nearly as much talk of bioware pushing the gay agenda and shoving gay people and their "lifestyle" down peoples thoughts. 

 

I don't know if it's a gift or a curse to lesbians that they never seem to get as much attention as gay men. On the one hand they don't get as much abuse but on the other they have to play second fiddle to gay men and that can't be fun or good for them tbf. Gay men will always get more attention it seems, is it all just because straight men find lesbian sex attractive and gay sex repulsive? 

 

There have been quite a few psychological studies on the matter. In one study I can remember the parameters off the top of my head, a sample group of men (straight, gay, and bi) were chosen. Those who reported willingness to engage in a sexual relationship with other men were made to watch lesbian porn. Those men who said "no" were subjected to watching gay porn (hey, they signed up for the study and probably got paid). There were multiple combinations (straight men who watched lesbian porn and s/s attracted men who watched gay porn). After they performed a variety of tasks meant to measure aggression. They found the men who watched lesbian porn had no significant change, but the straight men who watched gay porn (and didn't like it, they measured their brain activity) exhibited greater aggressive behavior, even being willing to hurt another person.

 

Sigh. There were a lot of these studies with similar results and made me super depressed. I have a collection of these studies for citation when I proposed my own study. If anyone is interested, PM me and I can link them.



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Yeah, in the sense that it's a chance for him to have some conversations about his feelings - and the situation in Tevinter.

In a culture that has issue with same sex relationships, I would suppose Dorian had to have worked extremely hard to prove to the Magisterium that he was the best of the best. He doesn't seem like the type to hide who he is from the world, so in that regard, some of the magisters tried to make it harder for him to succeed.



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Well, it's nice that they found a phrase with even more graphic implications than "shoving it down their throats" finally. 

 

They love to use that phrase huh?

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In a culture that has issue with same sex relationships, I would suppose Dorian had to have worked extremely hard to prove to the Magisterium that he was the best of the best. He doesn't seem like the type to hide who he is from the world, so in that regard, some of the magisters tried to make it harder for him to succeed.

On top of that, I wonder if he was ever affiliated romantically with some of the upper tier in the Magisterium.

 

Hold up, do we know if he's still an exile? Or did he leave voluntarily?