It seemed to me while reading his writer interview that he willingly withdrew from Tevinter society rather than being forcibly cast out from it, but that's just the impression I got. I did wonder the same thing though.
It is possible, depending on how closely the Tevinter ideas of sexuality parallel those held in ancient Rome, that such an association with a higher-up wouldn't be viewed with the same disdain if Dorian was in a subordinate position while the relationship was going on.
On top of that, I wonder if he was ever affiliated romantically with some of the upper tier in the Magisterium.
Hold up, do we know if he's still an exile? Or did he leave voluntarily?
I don't think he was kicked out of Tevinter.
He's a pariah "by choice" .
And the way Gaider was talking about his family ...don't know I have a feeling they may not take him seriously like "It's just a phase , he's going to change his mind."
It annoys me so much, I've seen people posting that they're sick of seeing homosexuality blasted in their faces once again.
It's just one part of the character that has been unfortunately capitalised upon because it got a lot of attention- if you ask me, it's like they're complaining about something they deliberately went to see. "Oh Fenris and Anders flirted with me, why?!" Oh geez, their reaction to something so miniscule is like the equivalent of getting a pinch and crying nonstop about how it was the most bloody painful thing ever.
Man, I am so done playing diplomatic and nice with these troglodytes...
Are you aware that you just answered your own question?
There may be other reasons.
It's definitely not a gift for lesbians to be sexually objectified, exploited, and utilized for straight men's sexual desires and approval. Lesbians get plenty of (negative) attention, it is just also shown in different ways. It's through society's heteronormative dude lenses, "lesbians' value is only in getting me off" vs. "gay men touching has no sexual interest to me so therefore it has no value, grosssssss."
I didn't say they didn't get negative attention though. They just don't get as much hate and they don't seem to get as much violent abuse, I wasn't downplaying the suffering of lesbians.
Ugh, dude. Open mouth, insert foot. Who says they don't get as much abuse? You seriously need to be careful about what you are saying, man.
They don't.
Hold up, do we know if he's still an exile? Or did he leave voluntarily?
Dorian's a self-inflicted pariah. It's by his own choice. He decided when to walk away. Or so the portrait the interview with Gaider painted.
I can almost guarantee that this discussion isn't going to go anywhere constructive. Best to leave the relative merits and downfalls of lesbians and gay men to a different venue, imo.
There have been quite a few psychological studies on the matter. In one study I can remember the parameters off the top of my head, a sample group of men (straight, gay, and bi) were chosen. Those who reported willingness to engage in a sexual relationship with other men were made to watch lesbian porn. Those men who said "no" were subjected to watching gay porn (hey, they signed up for the study and probably got paid). There were multiple combinations (straight men who watched lesbian porn and s/s attracted men who watched gay porn). After they performed a variety of tasks meant to measure aggression. They found the men who watched lesbian porn had no significant change, but the straight men who watched gay porn (and didn't like it, they measured their brain activity) exhibited greater aggressive behavior, even being willing to hurt another person.
Sigh. There were a lot of these studies with similar results and made me super depressed. I have a collection of these studies for citation when I proposed my own study. If anyone is interested, PM me and I can link them.
It's interesting how much social behavior is motivated by sex. I don't see any practical reason for straight men to react angrily and aggressively towards gay men though.
Dorian's a self-inflicted pariah. It's by his own choice. He decided when to walk away. Or so the portrait the interview with Gaider painted.
So then maybe he left due to his inability to both be himself as well as the issues surrounding Tevinter stereotypes.
Also, Mikey, let's just drop it.
So he's probably exiled himself? I wonder if that means we can convince to go back to Tevinter and change it from the inside or to give up on it and stay with the Inquisition for ever and ever? (I already know which option I'd pick, lol.)
I wonder if Dorian is a promiscuous type, or if he's just kind of a tease with his "dashing" talk and it takes a while before he'll get involved with someone. I imagine that would effect how he conducted himself in Tevinter. If he's the type to sleep around, it was probably just rumored what he got up to. If he's more of a monogamy/establish a relationship first type, then he must have been with someone, I'd assume, since the interview implies his family knows he's gay and doesn't approve.
I probably worded it all wrong anyway. The whole "gift or curse" part was a bit misguided but I was typing quickly. I meant, the fact that gay men seem to get more media attention and more overt abuse is probably not actually a positive things for lesbians. They do get more abuse in other ways and stuff like the sexual objectification of lesbians can often go ignored.
but anyway yes I will drop it.
It's interesting how much social behavior is motivated by sex. I don't see any practical reason for straight men to react angrily and aggressively towards gay men though.
I'm sure there are evolutionary psychologists who have explored the topic.
Anyways. This thread is about the amazing Dorian. I already was way too off topic. Sorry.
But I really like Dorian's mustache. Can I be forgiven?
So he's probably exiled himself? I wonder if that means we can convince to go back to Tevinter and change it from the inside or to give up on it and stay with the Inquisition for ever and ever? (I already know which option I'd pick, lol.)
His main goal is to change Tevinter...I think he's going to go back.
Unless he realizes it's impossible.(I kinda think his solo crusade is a bit nuts ...at least he's an optimistic guy!)
I wonder if he has supports , though.Friendly Tevinter mages who can help the Inquisition ?
I kind of hope it's the case , because if he's really all alone ...Well I'm going to help him of course.
But whatever plan he has it better be a good one , or I'm going to laugh at him a bit.
I'm sure there are evolutionary psychologists who have explored the topic.
Anyways. This thread is about the amazing Dorian. I already was way too off topic. Sorry.
But I really like Dorian's mustache. Can I be forgiven?
I don't hate it like some seem to and he does not look good without it. It could be better but I have a feeling it will look better in game anyway. I think allot of these stills just don't do the characters justice seeing as I have seen good and bad stills of most of the characters.
Solo crusaders do tend to be a bit over-optimistic, yes, but I find it endearing. He must have some sort of plan, though. I mean, he's supposed to be "too smart" right? A guy like that has to have a plan.
I wonder if Dorian is a promiscuous type, or if he's just kind of a tease with his "dashing" talk and it takes a while before he'll get involved with someone. I imagine that would effect how he conducted himself in Tevinter. If he's the type to sleep around, it was probably just rumored what he got up to. If he's more of a monogamy/establish a relationship first type, then he must have been with someone, I'd assume, since the interview implies his family knows he's gay and doesn't approve.
I think he's more of the latter. I think he'll flirt pretty much with anything that has a pulse, but wouldn't act on it unless it was reciprocated. And I think he wouldn't jump into a relationship carelessly either.
So then maybe he left due to his inability to both be himself as well as the issues surrounding Tevinter stereotypes.
That is what I have been thinking, yes. It would irritate me if only his sexuality was the issue for him leaving. I think everything -- sexuality, political reasoning, philosophy, socially -- played a factor in him just up and going, "Screw this mess, I am out of here." Though it sounds like he's an idealist that thinks Tevinter can change.
Just a thought, perhaps Dorian had a relationship with Alexius' son and it got out (minus Dorian's involvement) into the public eye? If his master and someone he cared about got exiled because of the political/philosophical climate of the Imperium that would be a pretty good impetus for him to leave of his own accord.
Indeed. Or if not Felix, another person he was in a relationship with.
I'm hoping he's more of a gentleman type myself.
Solo crusaders do tend to be a bit over-optimistic, yes, but I find it endearing. He must have some sort of plan, though. I mean, he's supposed to be "too smart" right? A guy like that has to have a plan.
I find it endearing too , but I also think he's going to be disappointed ...I mean what he's doing is far from useless .But I'm not expecting big results.
That is what I have been thinking, yes. It would irritate me if only his sexuality was the issue for him leaving. I think everything -- sexuality, political reasoning, philosophy, socially -- played a factor in him just up and going, "Screw this mess, I am out of here." Though it sounds like he's an idealist that thinks Tevinter can change.
Exactly. Though I wonder what was the "straw that broke the camel's back", so to speak.
I'm hoping he's more of a gentleman type myself.
I hope he's a gentleman that likes to flirt lol.
At the very least, he probably has exceptional manners and has some "gentleman"liness about him due to his noble upbringing. That being said, I hope he loves to flirt with the Inquisitor.
That is what I have been thinking, yes. It would irritate me if only his sexuality was the issue for him leaving. I think everything -- sexuality, political reasoning, philosophy, socially -- played a factor in him just up and going, "Screw this mess, I am out of here." Though it sounds like he's an idealist that thinks Tevinter can change.
Well obviously it is part of it but I don't think it's the only reason. He appears to hate the whole system and if he was all for it and him being gay was the only problem then he could just do his slaves and have some sham marriage.
Well obviously it is part of it but I don't think it's the only reason. He appears to hate the whole system and if he was all for it and him being gay was the only problem then he could just do his slaves and have some sham marriage.
He seems (to me at least) to either treat his slaves less like slaves and more like servants.
Edit: Though, he could be just like Mae, and have no issues with the system of slavery in the Empire.
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