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[devSin]

But if we can criticize the wording of BioWare and the combined actions of BioWare and BioWare down to word choice regardless of apology, then we can also be skeptical of what the people who are being critical are saying. A lot of it did in fact have to do with characters being gay and not bisexual. Which is a bit problematic too.

But were those claims of biphobia (as the article contends), or is that a separate issue (as I noted, there are multiple reasons people advocate for the approach used in DA2, and some people just had their hearts set on romancing Dorian with their preferred gender)?

I can understand people being disappointed and wanting Dorian to be bisexual. I can understand people preferring to have the romances all be bisexual (as it gives everyone equal access to all the content, regardless of the player character's gender). I wouldn't understand people positing that having Dorian gay (and a mix of sexualities in general) somehow constitutes erasure of bisexuality, but I have yet to see anybody seriously try to make such claims (I don't doubt it's happened somewhere, but I can't imagine it exists to the scale that the article seems intended to refute).

People can argue that the piecemeal revelation of romances and availability isn't necessarily fair or inclusive (I would have less sympathy for these arguments, but I can understand them as somebody who typically only warrants cursory mention, if we even get included at all), but that doesn't seem to be on point for the article either.

I grabbed this from the Twitter thread.  I haven't seen it in here yet, but I felt it was relevant to the general topic:

It's been surprising and disheartening to see all the media reports of "gay Dorian"—especially when there has been no coverage whatsoever of any of the other character reveals.

I don't even bother reading the comments to those stories; I know what will be found there.

[mikeymoonshine]

I think some people were offended, and I think it's a valid reaction. "Fully gay" wasn't a great thing to say (and David later clarified what he meant with that phrase). We can all sit here and say how it's so obvious what BioWare meant with this or that statement, but the audience for these sorts of releases is greater than just the people who frequent the forums and follow David on Twitter, and the implication that this character is the "true" gay (as opposed to those half gay or quarter gays from earlier games—false gays, all of them) is real in that portion of the interview.

If that's what the article was referring to, then I think the author missed the point entirely. This has nothing to do with a gay companion and everything to do with BioWare's messaging (which, despite some of the claims here, has often been problematic when it comes to issues of sexuality and gender representation). (I think it also sets up a straw man in attempting to justify the approach to romance in Inquisition—I don't recall ever seeing anyone suggest that the all-bisexual approach was somehow the only viable method of including bisexuals, so arguing that it is deceptive reasoning doesn't really accomplish anything here.)

It doesn't mean the people criticizing the statement are vilifying BioWare or are angry that there will be gay characters and straight characters in addition to bisexual characters. They just read something that was hurtful and/or insulting and decided to challenge it. And I think that's something we should all be able to understand and sympathize with.

 

Well the fan on twitter who initially complained said something along the lines of (and I am paraphrasing) "why is bioware always so biphobic?" that sounds like vilifying to me. I don't blame people who saw the quote and were initially offended but I could tell that this was not the case for all of the people criticizing him. It's funny that you talk of straw men, when you think about it many that criticized him and bioware for this interview completely removed the context. The comment is unfortunate it makes allot more sense and seems less offensive in context. 

 

Then there is the fact that people who saw his apology and clarification continued to criticize him. Sometimes people just want to be the moral crusader and they don't actually even care if they got it right or not. They just want to take someone else down so they can feel better about themselves. This is what I see when I experience people being unable to drop something even when they have been shown that they misunderstood or even if the person in question has apologized and told them that it was just a mistake and not what they meant. 

 

So yes being offended was not unjustified but it should have been dropped as soon as he clarified the mistake.

[Grieving Natashina]

Fixed. 

 

This is a Prothean:

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This is a Promethean:

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Whoops, my bad.  

 

By the way guys, not to be rude, but if we'd like to discuss biphobia in further detail, we should probably start a new thread. I'd be happy to chat about it there.   

[Statare]

But were those claims of biphobia (as the article contends), or is that a separate issue (as I noted, there are multiple reasons people advocate for the approach used in DA2, and some people just had their hearts set on romancing Dorian with their preferred gender)?

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Oh that article. Yeah.... It was vague about what it was talking about so I've been trying to not talk about it. And I don't know why but I blocked it out of my head and thought you were talking about DG's interview. Sorry about that.

 

I completely get people being disappointed about not having access to all the romance options. I'm still viewing the system with an eye askance until I see more of it, but I was happy to see two gay characters in DAI, and hopefully more non-straight characters yet to be revealed.

 

I need more information from the game first personally, and they have been so vague about what types of romances will be in DAI that it's really hard to come to any conclusions. Which is super frustrating for a lot of people.

 

Edit: and I agree with Natashina if we wanna discuss this more, we should really make a new thread.

[Zen]

[AlexWk31]

Has this question been answered yet? How old is Dorian?

[Trophonius]

Has this question been answered yet? How old is Dorian?

I've pondered about this too. If his parents are still pressuring him to marry, I figured he'd be relatively young. Possibly in his late twenties to early thirties?

[AlexWk31]

I've pondered about this too. If his parents are still pressuring him to marry, I figured he'd be relatively young. Possibly in his late twenties to early thirties?

 

That was my thought as well. I definitely thought thirties when I saw him in the demo but it was brief so it's hard to judge. I hope it's not too much older. I plan on making a relatively young Inquisitor and I don't want the age difference to be ridiculously noticeable. 

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

That was my thought as well. I definitely thought thirties when I saw him in the demo but it was brief so it's hard to judge. I hope it's not too much older. I plan on making a relatively young Inquisitor and I don't want the age difference to be ridiculously noticeable. 

Age differences can be cuuuuuuuute :v

[adorkable-panda]

Or creepy.... but sometimes cute :3 

[Nocte ad Mortem]

I was actually kind of disappointed there weren't some younger characters this time, but Dorian is still inside my upper line.  

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Or creepy.... but sometimes cute :3 

This guy knows whats up

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

I was actually kind of disappointed there weren't some younger characters this time, but Dorian is still inside my upper line.  

How much younger did you want them?

[Nocte ad Mortem]

How much younger did you want them?

Like 20-25 would be good. Or even if they just looked 20-25. lol 

[Reznore57]

Sometimes the BSN makes me feel like some kind of dinosaur.

Anyway I'd say Dorian is between late 20's to mid 30's.Maybe a bit more.

But anyway I had crush on men in their 50's when I was like 25...

[carlo angelo]

I'm actually quite happy with the kind of age ranges they're going for with these characters. I'm still in my mid-twenties, but I generally like characters who are made out to be older, even just a little bit older than my age.

 

But I would peg Dorian to be one of the younger members of the party- like, late twenties or early thirties.

[Ninjasplaycardgames2]

Well it looks like out of the bunch, the youngest is probably Sera, if you don't count Cole...

[adorkable-panda]

Well keep in mind that DAI, the creators (loldalishgods) wanted you to have "significant" figures as your party members so of course I don't doubt that they'd be older. Cole and Sera being the youngest it seems. I'm actually curious if there's a way to customize our age in the game itself. But that's for another discussion for another thread. More on Dorian. 

 

Has anybody wondered if he'd be a healer or something, the irony of a healing Tevinter Magister *kneeslaps*

[Fizzie Panda]

Well keep in mind that DAI, the creators (loldalishgods) wanted you to have "significant" figures as your party members so of course I don't doubt that they'd be older. Cole and Sera being the youngest it seems. I'm actually curious if there's a way to customize our age in the game itself. But that's for another discussion for another thread. More on Dorian. 

 

Has anybody wondered if he'd be a healer or something, the irony of a healing Tevinter Magister *kneeslaps*

I think his interview alluded to him being a necromancer. +If he isn't a healer that means he ISNT Anders.   But all Mages can heal in combat, I think.

[Lucy Glitter]

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I thought it was funny but I HATE IT WHEN THE GIRLS IN THOSE CARTOONS ARE SO HYPER-SEXUALISED AND ARE IN SUBMISSIVE POSES ALL THE TIME.... fffffffffffffffffff~ sorry, Zen, the hyper-sexualisation tarnished the hilarious song

 

Has this question been answered yet? How old is Dorian?

 

He is timeless.

 

 

He looks early-to-mid thirties.

[Nocte ad Mortem]

Everybody keeps citing somewhere between 19-40 as the Inquisitor age, but I just saw someone post a tweet from Patrick Weekes in another thread saying he didn't think there was any age set of the Inquisitor besides "adulthood". I wonder where the age quote comes from. I've been repeating it myself. 

[Roamingmachine]

I've read David's interview many times and all I heard was his genuine elation to write for Dorian, a character that obviously means a great deal to him. I always took the "fully gay" comment to mean that Dorian is the first openly gay character he's ever written. There's a huge difference between legitimate biphobia and screaming biphobia because a character isn't available for the player character of your preferred gender.

Biphobia= Fancy word for mistaking sexuality to be a tick-box instead of the 3D-slider that it is Bioware might be guilty of many things, but that aint one of them. The fuss is just internet being the internet.

 

Anyhoo... I'm kinda looking forward to interactions between Cassandra and Dorian. Given Cass's past experience with blood mages and the stance Tevinter has on the issue, i foresee many innocent pieces of furniture stabbed.