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[ElitePinecone]

Apparently Dorian is an Altus, not a Magister, according to Lady Insanity's interview with David Gaider. D:  

 

If his family has seats in the magisterium, he probably would've become a magister eventually. 

 

(I'm listening to the interview at the moment, it hasn't come up yet. Did he actually say Dorian wasn't a magister?)

 

I think I might have missed this part of the lore. Could someone educate me on what an Atlus is?

 

Altus is a social class in Tevinter, the "elite" magic users who make up most of the Magisterium and most of the Archons. 

[alwayshungry]

If his family has seats in the magisterium, he probably would've become a magister eventually. 

 

(I'm listening to the interview at the moment, it hasn't come up yet. Did he actually say Dorian wasn't a magister?)

 

 

David talks about it at around 20 minutes in I think.

[ElitePinecone]

Hm, okay. Dorian is nobility and not a magister. 

 

That... contradicts a bunch of their marketing

 

(But seems to be a mixup caused by people using "magister" to refer to any mage from Tevinter.)

[ElitePinecone]

That being said, I was prepared to believe that Dorian was an Imperial Senator - it's not too much of a stretch to think that he inherited a seat from another family member, or whatever.

[Dirgegun]

Dirgegun just brought this up - what if Dorian wasn't the exiled magister that Mae spoke of? What if it was Alexius? That'd fit nicely with resurrecting Felix.

At this point, I'd say it's more likely that Alexius was the exiled magister, not Dorian.

 

I think it could fit, certainly. Except bringing back Felix was a step too far. 

 

It also doesn't necessarily rule out Dorian healing in that kind of way, if Alexius is that mage, seeing he was Dorian's mentor and all.

[Dirgegun]

Altus is a social class in Tevinter, the "elite" magic users who make up most of the Magisterium and most of the Archons. 

 

Thankee! Can't believe I missed that. D:

[Eveangaline]

Hmm... I wonder if there's a way to talk him Into claiming his seat as a magister in game? He'd probably do the county some good. And then with Alistair that's two nobles we've out in place in these games.

[Allazor]

Apparently Dorian is an Altus, not a Magister, according to Lady Insanity's interview with David Gaider. D:  

 

Good to know, , still he won't get any sleep at night from me any time this Autumn. He can be Maker reincarnated i still gonna tap that  

[DaySeeker]

The Chantry needed to make sense of a completely alien experience that went horribly wrong.It needed to decide what info was important or trivial, warn others off from doing the same (meaning enter the Fade) and promote their own agenda; there are many reasons for their story to be incorrect or incomplete. I too am curious to hear the Tevinter tale.  I suspect the Fade is shaped by the limited perceptions of those who enter including hat person's expectation, and the sort of tainted essence that is humanity- selfish desire (based on our need for survival) and death, to which we all will succumb.  If the Fade shapes itself to the viewer it must therefore become essentially tainted.  It's early and I'm saying this badly.  I'm really curious about how a nation basically founded by magic views it.  So far we've had the Chantry's point of view, we've heard Merrill's, Solas and Dorian should help paint a fuller picture.

 

Also, corrupt governments exist outside of Tevinter (ahem, Logain, Bhelen) peasantry is not far from slavery, the dwarves have a caste system, Antiva sounds like it's run by assassin's who kidnap children, the Qun conquer and subvert- so Tevinter can not be so much worse than any of these.  I did kinda forget about Blood Magic when I was writing that, let's see what Dorian says about that.

[Lucy Glitter]

I wonder if you can take him down a dark route... influence him to work w demons and morally wrong magics for his cause and then become like one of the people he's against. Slowly...

Maybe he already consorts with demons!

Omg can you imagine him turning into a pride demon?

[DaySeeker]

Gay Pride demon!   YES!

[Reznore57]

Hmm... I wonder if there's a way to talk him Into claiming his seat as a magister in game? He'd probably do the county some good. And then with Alistair that's two nobles we've out in place in these games.

 

I'm sure Vivienne is going to lecture him about that...because she tried her best to work within the system.

Those two are going to be fun to have around.

 

"You compromise everything you believe in , Vivienne!"

"Well at least , I actually did something , dear.Your solo crusade is impressive."

"I am trying to change things."

"In Tevinter?You're aware you are miles away from your country?"

"Very funny.Somehow I want something more than a hollow title.Grand Enchanter of ...Nothing.Did they give you that fancy hat when you were nominated?"

"Did you start growing this strange moustache as a sign of rebellion, darling?"

"Better than cutting my own hair with a pocket knife...if you know what I mean."

"Or threatening everyone with a sword."

"Sometimes Vivienne , you are the only person making this whole adventure bearable."

[Hellion Rex]

I wonder if you can take him down a dark route... influence him to work w demons and morally wrong magics for his cause and then become like one of the people he's against. Slowly...

Maybe he already consorts with demons!

Omg can you imagine him turning into a pride demon?

BAD LUCY, BAD. WE DO NOT SPEAK OF SUCH THINGS!

[Dirgegun]

The Chantry needed to make sense of a completely alien experience that went horribly wrong.It needed to decide what info was important or trivial, warn others off from doing the same (meaning enter the Fade) and promote their own agenda; there are many reasons for their story to be incorrect or incomplete. I too am curious to hear the Tevinter tale.  I suspect the Fade is shaped by the limited perceptions of those who enter including hat person's expectation, and the sort of tainted essence that is humanity- selfish desire (based on our need for survival) and death, to which we all will succumb.  If the Fade shapes itself to the viewer it must therefore become essentially tainted.  It's early and I'm saying this badly.  I'm really curious about how a nation basically founded by magic views it.  So far we've had the Chantry's point of view, we've heard Merrill's, Solas and Dorian should help paint a fuller picture.

 

Also, corrupt governments exist outside of Tevinter (ahem, Logain, Bhelen) peasantry is not far from slavery, the dwarves have a caste system, Antiva sounds like it's run by assassin's who kidnap children, the Qun conquer and subvert- so Tevinter can not be so much worse than any of these.  I did kinda forget about Blood Magic when I was writing that, let's see what Dorian says about that.

 

I think the entire dwaven system is more corrupt than Bhelen himself. It stands out to us, turning on his family like that and cheating like he does, but that's just the game he was raised in. And when it comes down to it, he ends up the better choice, at least where it comes to moving the dwaves forward. Harrowmont is the nicer guy... when you're not a Casteless. 

[Lucy Glitter]

I'm sure Vivienne is going to lecture him about that...because she tried her best to work within the system.
Those two are going to be fun to have around.

"You compromise everything you believe in , Vivienne!"
"Well at least , I actually did something , dear.Your solo crusade is impressive."
"I am trying to change things."
"In Tevinter?You're aware you are miles away from your country?"
"Very funny.Somehow I want something more than a hollow title.Grand Enchanter of ...Nothing.Did they give you that fancy hat when you were nominated?"
"Did you start growing this strange moustache as a sign of rebellion, darling?"
"Better than cutting my own hair with a pocket knife...if you know what I mean."
"Or threatening everyone with a sword."
"Sometimes Vivienne , you are the only person making this whole adventure bearable."

I love this banter. It really fits the bill of how Gaider describes their relationship in his interview.

[Deviija]

I wonder if you can take him down a dark route... influence him to work w demons and morally wrong magics for his cause and then become like one of the people he's against. Slowly...

 

I'm reminded of KOTOR and JE's influence systems.  Being able to sway your companions to the "dark side."  I have a special place in my black heart for that, because it was incredibly entertaining if you played a charismatic positive leader or a manipulative deceiving leader.  

[Eveangaline]

Yeah, if may just flummox her that he had such opportunities and instead if using them to try and subtly get his agenda as a focus for the country he ran off to ferelden.

But seriously I want the chance to talk him onto taking his position so he can do good ( I make alistair be king with Anora most of the time because he's a better result for ferelden, I'm sure putting Dorian as a magister would be better for Tevinter )

[Lucy Glitter]

I'm reminded of KOTOR and JE's influence systems. Being able to sway your companions to the "dark side." I have a special place in my black heart for that, because it was incredibly entertaining if you played a charismatic positive leader or a manipulative deceiving leader.

That is something I miss in newer BW games.

[Allazor]

Yeah, if may just flummox her that he had such opportunities and instead if using them to try and subtly get his agenda as a focus for the country he ran off to ferelden.

But seriously I want the chance to talk him onto taking his position so he can do good ( I make alistair be king with Anora most of the time because he's a better result for ferelden, I'm sure putting Dorian as a magister would be better for Tevinter )

 

Splendid idea, but there is one problem. Dorian would have to not only survive but prosper and gain influence in Tevinter political structure and we know he doesn't want to get married for power or influence, he wants to be himself. Even if he in some capacity successcds at his crusade his dreams gonna die with him, he needs students or children to cary out his legacy. He is powerful but even he has to admit some things are beyond his reach.

[ElitePinecone]

But seriously I want the chance to talk him onto taking his position so he can do good ( I make alistair be king with Anora most of the time because he's a better result for ferelden, I'm sure putting Dorian as a magister would be better for Tevinter )

 

What could one magister do against all the other magisters, though?

 

He's obviously removed himself from Tevinter because he feels like participating in that society won't do any good. 

[Hellion Rex]

What could one magister do against all the other magisters, though?
 
He's obviously removed himself from Tevinter because he feels like participating in that society won't do any good.

Perhaps. Perhaps not. But I too think he will have more luck changing it from the inside, at the root of the corruption.

[Reznore57]

What could one magister do against all the other magisters, though?

 

He's obviously removed himself from Tevinter because he feels like participating in that society won't do any good. 

 

But he still loves Tevinter (well it seems that way) and is also helping the Inquisition in part  to keep Tevinter reputation from getting worse.

I really wonder where he is going to end up , because if he doesn't want to compromise one way or another , he's going to have trouble in Tevinter and outside of Tevinter.

[ElitePinecone]

Perhaps. Perhaps not. But I too think he will have more luck changing it from the inside, at the root of the corruption.

 

Looking at his character arc, it seems to me he's concluded that Tevinter can't change until something huge happens. 

 

(Otherwise, why would he even be an exile? Why not fight for change from within?)

[Allazor]

What could one magister do against all the other magisters, though?

 

He's obviously removed himself from Tevinter because he feels like participating in that society won't do any good. 

 

I think that if the Inquisition becomes a political superpower it may be used to further his personal goals . Josephine will help us achieve that status and then we will see what can be done with that power and influence for our lovely Magister ( i know he is not one i'm still gonna call him that  )

 

[jtav]

What could one magister do against all the other magisters, though?

 

He's obviously removed himself from Tevinter because he feels like participating in that society won't do any good. 

Yeah, I don't think Dorian can really play the political game. He'd be killed inside of a week. The magisters always unite against sedition.

 

Although, if someone could make a practical case for why abolishing slavery is in someone's best interest...I think major change in Tevinter would require a revolution. Perhaps covertly or overtly backed by the Inquisition? All those resources aren't going to go away once the rifts are closed.