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[mlgumm]

Yeah, I could see throwing Leliana and Josephine at Tevinter when the rest of Thedas is mildly peaceful.

[Hellion Rex]

Looking at his character arc, it seems to me he's concluded that Tevinter can't change until something huge happens. 
 
(Otherwise, why would he even be an exile? Why not fight for change from within?)

Not immediately, obviously. I meant that after we save Thedas, he could return to try and change things.

[Cat Fancy]

Also, corrupt governments exist outside of Tevinter (ahem, Logain, Bhelen) peasantry is not far from slavery, the dwarves have a caste system, Antiva sounds like it's run by assassin's who kidnap children, the Qun conquer and subvert- so Tevinter can not be so much worse than any of these.  I did kinda forget about Blood Magic when I was writing that, let's see what Dorian says about that.

I see this kind of  apologism for Tevinter a lot. I'm pro-mage, pro-blood magic even, but I just can't agree with this kind of moral relativism. Peasantry and a caste system are like slavery in the same sense that taxes are like slavery.* On one hand, sure, I guess. On the other hand, that's actually completely nuts? A culture with literal, actual slavery is not, in fact, just like any other culture with stratified social and economic classes.

 

Slavery's pretty bad! Certainly worse than many of the things we've seen in Thedas if it's anything like it was/is in real world (or like Fenris said it was. do you doubt him?). I don't like the Circles, but they're not slavery either.  (I'm very willing to believe the Qunari society is worse than Tevinter, though)

 

*and no, I also don't think taxes are like caste discrimination or whatever

[Lilium]

Yeah, I don't think Dorian can really play the political game. He'd be killed inside of a week. The magisters always unite against sedition.

 

Although, if someone could make a practical case for why abolishing slavery is in someone's best interest...I think major change in Tevinter would require a revolution. Perhaps covertly or overtly backed by the Inquisition? All those resources aren't going to go away once the rifts are closed.

 

Maybe the next game will focus on Tevinter and/or Par Vollen and we get to change the systems there?

[Allazor]

Yeah, I could see throwing Leliana and Josephine at Tevinter when the rest of Thedas is mildly peaceful.

 

My point exactly, let the Girls do the stabbing and negotiations and we will keep Dorian safe out the Magisters sight ( in our bedroom ). If they don't accept the will of the Inquisition we gonna send reformed templars and seekers that are willing to work for Leliana and kill some people. If that doesn't help, slave rebellion is always an option. If you can't change it, burn it to the ground and start from scratches .

[ElitePinecone]

I think that if the Inquisition becomes a political superpower it may be used to further his personal goals . Josephine will help us achieve that status and then we will see what can be done with that power and influence for our lovely Magister ( i know he is not one i'm still gonna call him that  )

 

 

Oh hey, nice banners!

 

We can't add them to signatures though?

 

(I remember that awesome style from ME2, and even before that when people were making the "I used to be part of the community, now I'm just [insert country]")

[ElitePinecone]

Yeah, I don't think Dorian can really play the political game. He'd be killed inside of a week. The magisters always unite against sedition.

 

Although, if someone could make a practical case for why abolishing slavery is in someone's best interest...I think major change in Tevinter would require a revolution. Perhaps covertly or overtly backed by the Inquisition? All those resources aren't going to go away once the rifts are closed.

 

Yeah, they assassinated an Archon - and one magister like Dorian would have a lot less political power than an Archon. He might not even be as powerful a mage, if "Archon" is the apex of the magocracy and the inevitable position of the most powerful Tevinter magic user. 

 

To me, it seemed like he's an idealist, maybe a romantic, who has a strong idea of what he wants Tevinter to be like but isn't too sure of how to get there. 

 

His interview made me think Dorian believes that the best way to enact change is to be an example for others to follow, and to firmly show the Tevinter establishment that even a wealthy and gifted mage is willing to give up that power and privilege if it conflicts with his principles. 

[Hellion Rex]

I wonder...how would Dorian treat Cullen? Since Templars in Tevinter are a bit of a joke, do you think Dorian would value his input?

[Allazor]

Oh hey, nice banners!

 

We can't add them to signatures though?

 

(I remember that awesome style from ME2, and even before that when people were making the "I used to be part of the community, now I'm just [insert country]")

 

All credit goes to Lovely 

Fizzie Panda he made a bunch of them,probably for every companion at this point   

[Allazor]

I wonder...how would Dorian treat Cullen? Since Templars in Tevinter are a bit of a joke, do you think Dorian would value his input?

 

Personally i think Dorian as a headstrong person on a quest would only value Cullen's input if he agreed with him on the issue. But i like to think he would join me and Josephine in our little fun of throwing stinking and sticky Orlesian cheeses at Cullen and drinking the finest of Antivan wines.

[jtav]

I wonder...how would Dorian treat Cullen? Since Templars in Tevinter are a bit of a joke, do you think Dorian would value his input?

I think they're temperamentally very opposed. I think Cullen is too serious and practical for Dorian's taste and far too (White) Chantry. So I see some mocking, levened by compassion once hears Cullen's backstory. But I don't see him really valuing Cullen's input.

[Eveangaline]

Perhaps. Perhaps not. But I too think he will have more luck changing it from the inside, at the root of the corruption.

At the very least it would be easier to lead a revolution from a place if wealth and power if it comes down to it.

[The Elder King]

At the very least it would be easier to lead a revolution from a place if wealth and power if it comes down to it.

I'd say the most important thing is that he needs allies, expecially in the mage class. Otherwise he might end up as the Archon who proposed to abolish the slavery system.

[Allazor]

I'd say the most important thing is that he needs allies, expecially in the mage class. Otherwise he might end up as the Archon who proposed to abolish the slavery system.

 

I still think there's something romantic in a way he looks at his nation, he needs the power and influence of the Inquisition behind him so the Magisters will even start to give any attention to his position. But i think they won't and we will have to beat them to submission or just kill the ruling class and start from there.

 

"They can live in my New World or they can die in their Old One"- Daenerys Stormborn of House Targaryen

[Eveangaline]

I'd say the most important thing is that he needs allies, expecially in the mage class. Otherwise he might end up as the Archon who proposed to abolish the slavery system.

And an easier position to make said allies would be as a magister, he can train or find more like minded people in power.

I hope we get the chance to go with him at the end as be one of his powerful allies.

[ElitePinecone]

And an easier position to make said allies would be as a magister, he can train or find more like minded people in power.

I hope we get the chance to go with him at the end as be one of his powerful allies.

 

But as soon as he started gathering allies he'd be murdered. Being *in* Tevinter is dangerous for a reformist. The entire Senate united to assassinate the last Archon who abolished slavery. 

 

I wouldn't be surprised if Dorian comes under attack from enemies even while in Orlais or with the Inquisition. 

[jtav]

I have a feeling Dorian would end up a lot like Enjolras.

[DaySeeker]

I see this kind of  apologism for Tevinter a lot. I'm pro-mage, pro-blood magic even, but I just can't agree with this kind of moral relativism. Peasantry and a caste system are like slavery in the same sense that taxes are like slavery.* On one hand, sure, I guess. On the other hand, that's actually completely nuts? A culture with literal, actual slavery is not, in fact, just like any other culture with stratified social and economic classes.

 

Slavery's pretty bad! Certainly worse than many of the things we've seen in Thedas if it's anything like it was/is in real world (or like Fenris said it was. do you doubt him?). I don't like the Circles, but they're not slavery either.  (I'm very willing to believe the Qunari society is worse than Tevinter, though)

 

*and no, I also don't think taxes are like caste discrimination or whatever

 

 I guess it depends on how the slavery occurs and how slaves are treated.  Being stuck as a peasant or in the lowest caste with no way to move out of that is de facto slavery.  If there is no method of social justice against "your betters" or laws to protect  the lower castes I don't see much of a difference except in name.  Economic and social chains are just as binding as literal ones, acorrupt noble is just as able to abuse peasants, lower castes are in similar desperate states.  The dwarf commoner origin has your sister acting as prostitute and you as thug and worse, completely at the mercy of your pimp and any one of an upper caste.  

[ElitePinecone]

I have a feeling Dorian would end up a lot like Enjolras.

 

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All I want from Inquisition is a barricades scene and possibly musical numbers okay i'm not very picky

[Reznore57]

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All I want from Inquisition is a barricades scene and possibly musical numbers okay i'm not very picky

 

I think there's going to be some singing

I wouldn't mind having a Bollywood dancing scene with Dorian.

[jtav]

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All I want from Inquisition is a barricades scene and possibly musical numbers okay i'm not very picky

Does that make IB Grantaire? Actually I can kinda see that.

 

And now my brain's in a knot because I can't decide whether to run a male or female Inquisitor first. Which says something about Dorian.

[ElitePinecone]

Now I am having Les Mis feelings. 

 

I don't think Dorian's campaign in Tevinter is quite as "tilting at windmills' as it seems, unless the role of that character arc is to show the inevitable fate of romantic ideologues. It'd definitely suck if he got figuratively mown down in the epilogue or whatever, if we encouraged him to return to Tevinter. 

 

(But I can't see his campaign bearing fruit, either, because we never actually go to Tevinter and it seems like overthrowing the magisters is far too big a plot point for a companion sidequest.)

[Allazor]

I think there's going to be some singing

I wouldn't mind having a Bollywood dancing scene with Dorian.

 

Please no, no, no , by the Fade no ......

What about some sensual bath with some Antivan wine and Nevarran chocolate, that would work better for our health ,right ?

[myahele]

Being a freed slave (liberati) isn't much of a boon. With most jobs being taken by slaves, you can't even join the military. If you're a mage thenmyour opportunities are plenty.

[Hellion Rex]

What about some sensual bath with some Antivan wine and Nevarran chocolate, that would work better for our health ,right ?

 

YES. GIVE IT TO ME.