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[Ymirr]

You can only be prince if you're straight. [Sigh...]

Prince Manvendra Singh Gohil says nah. (Some similarities between him and Dorian tho)

[Joe25]

To your Daisy?

Yes 

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[Battlebloodmage]

Prince Manvendra Singh Gohil says nah.

It's more of a snide comment toward DA. The only 2 princes in the game just all happen to be straight, even in DA2 where everyone are playsexual, even Cullen who is more knight in shining armor is straight as well. The archetype is being kept consistent for all 3 games.

[Battlebloodmage]

Yes 

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I just hope there aren't 2 holes being cut out at the back.

[Allazor]

Yes 

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i require Dorian on his knees , legs spread with only this on. You will thank me later  

[Battlebloodmage]

i require Dorian at on his knees , legs spread with only this on. You will thank me later  

Maybe I'm just weird, but I have never found any guy wearing it to be attractive. I find the pants to be too feminine, and I'm more attractive to the more masculine aspect in a guy. Now #$%@#% on the other hand.

[Hellion Rex]

You can only be prince if you're straight. [Sigh...]

Says who? You can be a gay prince.

[Battlebloodmage]

Says who? You can be a gay prince.

I have already explained why.

[Allazor]

Maybe I'm just weird, but I have never found any guy wearing it to be attractive. I find the pants to be too feminine, and I'm more attractive to the more masculine aspect in a guy. Now #$%@#% on the other hand.

 

I always say to a guy i'm dating : " For me it counts what you have inside, who you are as a person and how quickly i get you out of your clothes" . For me when a guy has a great smile, personality  and butt to face ratio is  even , i have winner. The rest i couldn't give rats ass about .

 

And Dorian * Adele Voice* has it alllllllllllll 

[Fizzie Panda]

I was afraid Dorian's face would look weird in game- after watching the Redcliffe video- I was wrong

[Ymirr]

It's more of a snide comment toward DA. The only 2 princes in the game just all happen to be straight, even in DA2 where everyone are playsexual, even Cullen who is more knight in shining armor is straight as well. The archetype is being kept consistent for all 3 games.

Oh I figured as much, blue blood doesn't make one "immune". So yeah, just wanted to throw that name in there. Because hey! Another royal gay guy, who is an outcast of sort, wants to do the right thing, to the disapproval of family. Heh.

[Cat Fancy]

We're probably just going to have to agree to disagree. And yet, I have vomited up so many words:

I guess it depends on how the slavery occurs and how slaves are treated.  Being stuck as a peasant or in the lowest caste with no way to move out of that is de facto slavery.

I have to disagree. There's a difference between being forced to sell your services to a crime lord to make the most you can out of a shitty situation, and being forced to do whatever your literal, actual slave-master says under threat of torture and/or death. We don't have to guess how slaves are treated in Tevinter - Fenris has already told us

 

 

  If there is no method of social justice against "your betters" or laws to protect  the lower castes I don't see much of a difference except in name.  Economic and social chains are just as binding as literal ones, acorrupt noble is just as able to abuse peasants, lower castes are in similar desperate states.  The dwarf commoner origin has your sister acting as prostitute and you as thug and worse, completely at the mercy of your pimp and any one of an upper caste.  

 

Economic and social chains are absolutely not as binding as literal ones. (you might say they are "literally" not) Someone could totally break a social chain today, open their minds, **** a horse, whatever. They couldn't walk five feet in one direction if they're bound by a four-foot chain. Poor and homeless people in the United States today have great difficulty improving their lives for the better. Their situation is bad. It is nowhere near as dire as that of slaves in the 19th century United States.

 

I just played through the first conversations as a dwarf commoner with Beraht and Rica. It's not a good situation, but really not like actual slavery. If Rica and the DC didn't want to work for Beraht, they'd have a lower standard of living and die even earlier than they're likely to at the start of the Origin, but they had options (cleaning middens, begging, moving to the surface). If they were slaves who didn't want to serve their master, they'd do what their master said or be be some combination of raped, tortured, and killed.

 

Casteless and low-caste dwarves are abused in Orzammar, as are peasants, mages, and elves in south Andrastian societies. It's bad, very bad, but I'd still say far (quite far) from actual slavery. Alienage elves can be and are abused by nobility (badly in Ferelden, much worse in Orlais). Slaves have it worse. Most companions in Origins prefer you rescuing the city elves in Denerim from a life of slavery because it isn't, in fact, just more of the same for them. Zevran was one of those kidnapped children in Antiva you mentioned a bit earlier and he disapproves of you dealing with Caladrius. Their lives are far better as city elves in Ferelden, as bad as they are, than they would be as slaves in Tevinter.

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Who cares that there are no gay princes? Where is your republican spirit?! I suppose this game is Canadian, so some propaganda on behalf of monarchies is to be expected, but I, for one, won't buy into it. DEATH TO KING ALISTAIR! DEATH TO EMPRESS CELENE!

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At this point, I kind of do hope Dorian isn't an abolitionist. He has to have some terrible moral failing to be a character in this game, might as well be something we haven't seen before.

[mikeymoonshine]

We don't have to guess how slaves are treated in Tevinter - Fenris has already told us

 

Not defending Tervinter or anything but Fenris gave us an incredibly biased view. I can't imagine all the Magisters are quite as bad to their slaves as Danarious was/is. I am sure it is mostly pretty bad and all slavery is wrong in my opinion but Fenris was very one sided about everything. He also told us all about mages and what they are like, this was based on his experience with Tervinter mages but he viewed all mages that way because of it (apart from Hawke). 

[myahele]

There's always folks like Oriana. She and her family were treated.....decently up until her master needed them for blood sacrifice.

[Cat Fancy]

Fenris, a former slave, was biased against slave owners? I'm shocked and appalled.

 

I doubt Bioware will try to give us two sides on the issue of slavery like they do with mages, but who knows, they have a certain Slate contrarianism about them which I can respect. (but really, they aren't going to try to make the case for good slave owners) (or are they?) (no) (well, I hope not, anyway)

[mikeymoonshine]

Fenris, a former slave, was biased against slave owners? I'm shocked and appalled.

 

I doubt Bioware will try to give us two sides on the issue of slavery like they do with mages, but who knows, they have a certain Slate contrarianism about them which I can respect. (but really, they aren't going to try to make the case for good slave owners) (or are they?) (no) (well, I hope not, anyway)

 

Well yes the fact that he is biased should be obvious but your comment implied that he was not which is why i responded as I did. 

 

My mage comment wasn't really to compare the issue's it was to show how judgmental Fenris is because of what happened to him. He paints everyone with the same brush, he views all mages as being pretty much as bad as the Magisters so it's obvious that he would consider all Magisters to be as bad as Danarious and Hadriana even if they aren't. 

 

Good slave owners? no I hope not, one slave owner not being as bad to their slaves as another slave owner and not being completely evil? yes! That doesn't make them right but It is allot more realistic. 

 

I thought we were all meant to hate pantomime villains?

[Cat Fancy]

I don't think all slave-owners in Tevinter will be equally evil. My issue is with the assertion (which I have seen more than one person make) that Tevinter can't be that much worse than the Thedosian societies we've already seen, and that slavery in Tevinter isn't all that different from the injustices we've seen and heard about in Ferelden and Kirkwall. I don't buy this.

 

All that said, I'll still find Fenris's testimony on slavery more credible than Dorian's if D's anything other than entirely opposed to the institution. (which, as I've said, I hope he will be. it'd be interesting)

[alwayshungry]

http://leechbrain.tu...so-wow-gorgeous

[mikeymoonshine]

I don't think all slave-owners in Tevinter will be equally evil. My issue is with the assertion (which I have seen more than one person make) that Tevinter can't be that much worse than the Thedosian societies we've already seen, and that slavery in Tevinter isn't all that different from the injustices we've seen and heard about in Ferelden and Kirkwall. I don't buy this.

 

All that said, I'll still find Fenris's testimony on slavery more credible than Dorian's if D's anything other than entirely opposed to the institution. (which, as I've said, I hope he will be. it'd be interesting)

 

Ah, ok then. I would agree that it is worse than Kirkwall and Ferelden. Maybe no worse than the Qunari but that would depend on your perspective, I also think Orlais could be almost as bad of not as bad in some aspects. 

 

Well is there any argument for slavery other than that some slaves have better lives than some non slaves? That's the best one I have heard and I still don't think it works as a justification for slavery. If Dorian is all for slavery I will be disappointing but if he is at least torn on the issue I will try not to judge him too harshly. He was raised to think it's perfectly ok although seeing as he rebelled against everything else about Tervinter that may not be much of a defense of his character. 

[Dr. Doctor]

With Dorian's issues with his family, I'm wondering about Maevrais. Dave talked about how the upper levels of Tevinter society tend to frown upon anything "different" and Mae is pretty far outside of the norm of what most people would consider to be a prim and proper member of the Magisterium. Maybe Varric will mention her in his banter with Dorian?

[AresKeith]

http://vermouth-portfolio.tumblr.com/

 

Elu found his Inquisitor

[AresKeith]

ALTUS ARMOUR (from World of Thedas hnnngn all the feels-uh)

 

 

Please let their be a version for the Inquisitor and Dorian 

[Sixsmith]

Ah, ok then. I would agree that it is worse than Kirkwall and Ferelden. Maybe no worse than the Qunari but that would depend on your perspective, I also think Orlais could be almost as bad of not as bad in some aspects. 

 

Well is there any argument for slavery other than that some slaves have better lives than some non slaves? That's the best one I have heard and I still don't think it works as a justification for slavery. If Dorian is all for slavery I will be disappointing but if he is at least torn on the issue I will try not to judge him too harshly. He was raised to think it's perfectly ok although seeing as he rebelled against everything else about Tervinter that may not be much of a defense of his character. 

 

Slavery is a big spot on anyone's history, so I wouldn't put it past Dorian to be rightfully against it. There's a lot wrong with Tevinter, but I think the fact that they're large practitioners in very taboo magic and that they have a very thriving slave trade is what the developers put the most focus on. Oh, and that they started the Blight, probably. To be against the corruption and deceit flowing around Tevinter politics, I'd imagine slaves being among one of the more corrupt points in their society.

 

Saying that, I imagine Dorian, being proud of his outcast status, is also proud to say that he's very much against slavery and wishes to see it abolished. I don't see Dorian being an idealist and a full on hypocrite, but I could be mistaken because most everyone is a hypocrite in one form or fashion. But Dorian being a hypocrite about slavery? I don't see that much. Maybe something like blood magic or the Fade in general and definitely about himself, but not about his ideals and his vision of a true Tevinter Imperium. Maybe not Imperium, per se, seeing as a lot of things with the Imperial root tend to have some form of antagonistic design riddled with totalitarian, corrupt politics, in regards to a society.

 

I would very much like to see Dorian's ideas catch fire, probably in the lower ranks of Tevinter society, where slavery isn't very much a big issue (I imagine slaves cost a lot of money and people without money, the bourgeoisie if Tevinter, don't have the luxuries of owning slaves). I'd love to see something like a large revolution and maybe some inner turmoil in the Imperium that possibly boils down to a full on civil war. That's an idea... maybe. Maybe a successful French Revolution that doesn't end in some terrible Les Mis way. Coupled with the Qunari, I'm sure something like that would be a very interesting read or game altogether.

[DaySeeker]

Not defending Tervinter or anything but Fenris gave us an incredibly biased view. I can't imagine all the Magisters are quite as bad to their slaves as Danarious was/is. I am sure it is mostly pretty bad and all slavery is wrong in my opinion but Fenris was very one sided about everything. He also told us all about mages and what they are like, this was based on his experience with Tervinter mages but he viewed all mages that way because of it (apart from Hawke). 

 We also know how his sister was treated, and she said her life as a slave was better than her free life.

[Hellion Rex]

With Dorian's issues with his family, I'm wondering about Maevrais. Dave talked about how the upper levels of Tevinter society tend to frown upon anything "different" and Mae is pretty far outside of the norm of what most people would consider to be a prim and proper member of the Magisterium. Maybe Varric will mention her in his banter with Dorian?

As a full member of the Magisterium, and head of her household, I believe Mae might stand as an exception. If she's powerful enough, I don't think anyone would be dumb enough to mess with her.