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[Sixsmith]

Hi! I'm poking over from the Varric thread, and wanted to say hi!

 

We are playing the Petquisition! game right now, if anyone is interested! 

 

Group submissions are accepted, so I thought it would be fun for all of the character threads to make their own group chart!

 

Check it out if you are interested, and be sure to post a group chart if you want in the OP!

 

http://forum.bioware...ition-the-game/

 

Aw do we have to use our own pets? BECAUSE THERE ARE A SLEW OF CATS AND DOGS WITH MUSTACHES ON TUMBLR. Would be dreadfully wasteful to let them go unused for something so... amazing.

 

In regards to the conversation at hand: I really, really hope Dorian isn't killable or dismissable as a way to spite... a certain group of people. Er *cough* just because I'm feeling kind of vindictive.

 

Spoiler

Anyways, there are plenty of ways to "kill off" your companions in Dragon Age, even the LIs. I think that Fenris one is a great example, but what about Isabela? I don't know if giving her to the Qun kills her or she just runs off (I'm pretty sure she just runs off), but it pretty much eliminates her from the final act if it happens. The same with Anders, with the choice to kill him or let him go free, in the end. And I'm pretty sure there's a way to kill Merrill as well. The only people I can't see dying is probably Oghren, Morrigan, and Varric, maybe Aveline too.

 

But, there's also agreeing with Morrigan and letting Wynne die (which I did on my first run through because I thought Morrigan was being legit and didn't even realize Wynne was a comapnion). Or sacrificing Alistair instead of yourself, though I dunno if that requires a certain process to trigger. And then there's destroying the ashes of Andraste (?) in the DA:O quest with Leliana in your party.

 

Though, I do think that these are all very obscure, but there are certainly ways to kill characters. Unless, that's not what the topic is and its more of a, "I hope there's not obvious story/plot device that makes you decide to kill this character or not," kind of like what they did with Kaidan and Ashley in Mass Effect.

[ElitePinecone]

I think it's reasonable to have a situation where a companion can leave, or you can ask them to leave - it's not as though they're pandering to homophobes if Dorian or Sera are able to just leave the Inquisition and go do something else. I mean, sure, it might be because a player is dissatisfied with his homosexuality, but in-universe the reason could be disliking Tevinter or whatever. 

 

But making companions killable is something else, and more often than not there's a really disturbing minority of people who seem to look forward to the chance to murder characters. The casualness of "I want to murder knife [X] or push Y out of the airlock" is quite awful, really. 

 

Companions should be able to force a confrontation with the player, but only in the most dire and extreme circumstances. Otherwise we *would* see people engineering the deaths of gay or lesbian characters just because they didn't like their sexuality, and that's a completely unacceptable thing to happen. 

[Lucy Glitter]

It's only been recently that you can't talk to your followers willy nilly, so in all previous games you could ask most (always one or two that needed to stay) of your party members to leave whenever. You could only kill them if it was warranted.

I hate to be the one to say this but I think we will see people finding a way to do what you mentioned, Elite. It's just whether or not everyone else pays attention to it. There is also always that one weird person in a thread who announces that they enjoyed killing all their party members for no reason.

Edit: if Dorian did something unforgivable and entirely wrong, I'd be like, okay, you can murder him and that's the old way of the law whatever. Just like Anders, who I think personally deserves (and wants) to be killed for his actions. Then we have a situation like Wynne and Leliana in Sacred Ashes. I hate that it exists but I see why it's there and it's unavoidable. They had to have it in there.

[MisterJB]

Viconia. Very notorious one. People still haven't forgiven BW for that one...

Why would you remind me of that?

[Lucy Glitter]

Case in point.

 

[jtav]

Well I think "I want to kill X" usually translates to "I never ever want to see X again." We aren't talking about real people. I want to kill Alistair because I don't want to see him in DAI. I'd never even think of touching a real Alistair.

[ElitePinecone]

There has to be a better way of phrasing that desire than "lol he's my murder knife i'mma gonna kill that character the first chance i get lol".

 

I understand sometimes people have ideological disagreements with characters, but the way it's expressed is disturbing. How is it acceptable to kill somebody if you don't like their opinion?

[Hellion Rex]

 

http://siriusdraws.tumblr.com/

[Dr. Doctor]

The only case where I would consider character murder is in the event of a betrayal or if said character (like Anders) gives me the impression that just letting them leave could come back and blow up in my face.

[DaySeeker]

 
Definitely try and get to playing older gen BW games. Too many reasons for you to miss out on them! BG2, NWN (especially HotU), what about Jade Empire and KotOR? If you enjoy romances in the games, Carth and Bastila's especially from KotOR are boss and fantastic examples of good character development.

It might ruin you, though. You'll have high expectations

So finally seeing a gay male romance is AWESOME. Finally!!! It's been a long time coming.
 

I'm not sure I follow. Which characters have been killed off in the DA canon? Loghain? Who else?

 

I said canon I meant to say default state.  I was half asleep when I wrote that.  Sorry.

[outatime]

So... I'm a horrible person, but... I have to wonder... I'm a mean person, and I love seeing my favorite characters sad/hurt. I mean, this... 

 

http://ryuichifoxe.tumblr.com/

 

is by far one of my favorite pieces of fanart out there. So my question is, since there is bound to be some sort of angst in the story here - I mean, come on, it's Bioware - what are you looking forward to? Because I have to admit, the idea of Dorian getting hurt - Oh God, he'd make being hurt look so good - and my Inquisitor having to swoop in and save the day gets me all a-flutter.

[Reznore57]

The only case where I would consider character murder is in the event of a betrayal or if said character (like Anders) gives me the impression that just letting them leave could come back and blow up in my face.

 

I don't like killing companions , I've spared Anders.

And I wanted to strangle him badly.But erf...from my point of view he wasn't mentally stable and he was a (virtual )friend.

So I couldn't do it ...

 

But  I still remember my cousin (he was quite young at the time ) killing prostitute in GTA , and telling me how it was fun.

My jaw dropped on the floor , and I went to talk to his mother , I was like "WTF!?This is so wroooong."

Anyway usually in DA there is some context , if there's a story behind it , and some solid moral justification for the murder knife...I think it's fine.

 

Also some people like to roleplay evil characters and kill everything in sight...I don't get it.But we kill tons of nameless npc anyway...

[Nefla]

I hope all the characters are interesting but I think forcing the player to recruit them and making them all non dismissible is a bad idea. I liked in DA:O how you only had to have Alistair and Morrigan (though I think you can boot her and have her come back at the very end?) and it made sense for the plot. It was weird to me in DA2 how some companions were forced on you but others weren't. It seems like it would be plot relevant to have Isabella forced on you but it was nice that she was optional. It didn't make any sense for Merrill to be forced on the player IMO. To me she was annoying and selfish and I would have never recruited her after my first playthrough if given the choice. However when a character is not optional (and goes so far as to appear several times in game, even in the players house no matter if you tell her you don't want to be friends) then annoyance festers and turns to hate and that's where wanting to murder knife them comes in. Even if you like all the characters, sometimes you want only the characters who agree with you for an extreme playthrough ex: if you do an extreme pro mage, anti Templar playthrough in DA2, you might not want Fenris there telling you how much you suck at every turn and betraying you in the end.

[mlgumm]

The only Companion I've ever wanted to murder-knife was Anders, but I still can't bring myself to kill him in most playthroughs. He's only dead in about 1/4 of my games.

[Allazor]

It's only been recently that you can't talk to your followers willy nilly, so in all previous games you could ask most (always one or two that needed to stay) of your party members to leave whenever. You could only kill them if it was warranted.

I hate to be the one to say this but I think we will see people finding a way to do what you mentioned, Elite. It's just whether or not everyone else pays attention to it. There is also always that one weird person in a thread who announces that they enjoyed killing all their party members for no reason.

Edit: if Dorian did something unforgivable and entirely wrong, I'd be like, okay, you can murder him and that's the old way of the law whatever. Just like Anders, who I think personally deserves (and wants) to be killed for his actions. Then we have a situation like Wynne and Leliana in Sacred Ashes. I hate that it exists but I see why it's there and it's unavoidable. They had to have it in there.

 

Maybe it is an unpopular opinion but i never killed Anders and i never thought he deserved to die for what he did. Kirkwall was a mess, city decaying in front of my own eyes, some kind of cold war between Knight Commander and First Enchanter, they were responsible for the mess, Anders just gave them an excuse to act because they were both waiting for it. When i first witnessed that scene i remembered the words : " if you do nothing you accept the reality of things and support those in power". When Sebastian said he would leave if Anders lives, for me it was just and extra perk . The mage lives, the prince leaves and Knight Commander and First Enchanter die for their transgressions. Anders was unstable, he was driven but my Hawke loved him, it can creep you out i don't really care. But for a change to occur something needs to destroy the status quo and it is never nice and bloodshed usually occurs , when the chaos starts and the world starts to burn around you. Seeing Inquisition now i don't doubt my choices anymore, because i will make it right i will make Anderse's dream come true and i will see if i made the wrong choice. If you won't ever try you will never know.

 

As the case of Dorian, we shall see and i will the jugde, the jury and if needed the executioner. But i will forgive and go with my gut if tells me it could work out how he sees it. The future will tell .

[ElitePinecone]

I hope all the characters are interesting but I think forcing the player to recruit them and making them all non dismissible is a bad idea. I liked in DA:O how you only had to have Alistair and Morrigan (though I think you can boot her and have her come back at the very end?) and it made sense for the plot. It was weird to me in DA2 how some companions were forced on you but others weren't. It seems like it would be plot relevant to have Isabella forced on you but it was nice that she was optional. It didn't make any sense for Merrill to be forced on the player IMO. To me she was annoying and selfish and I would have never recruited her after my first playthrough if given the choice. However when a character is not optional (and goes so far as to appear several times in game, even in the players house no matter if you tell her you don't want to be friends) then annoyance festers and turns to hate and that's where wanting to murder knife them comes in. Even if you like all the characters, sometimes you want only the characters who agree with you for an extreme playthrough ex: if you do an extreme pro mage, anti Templar playthrough in DA2, you might not want Fenris there telling you how much you suck at every turn and betraying you in the end.

 

I can't see how any amount of frustration with a character would result in a sane and reasonable person wanting to murder them, though.

 

As far as DA:I goes, I'm pretty sure they've said that most of the companions can be dismissed. The lowest amount of party members you can have at the end of the game is one. 

[jtav]

I can't see how any amount of frustration with a character would result in a sane and reasonable person wanting to murder them, though.

 

As far as DA:I goes, I'm pretty sure they've said that most of the companions can be dismissed. The lowest amount of party members you can have at the end of the game is one. 

Because we're not treating them like people, but characters. They have no dignity of their own and exist to entertain me. If a character is sufficiently annoying, I'll contrive some reason to kill them.

[Nefla]

I can't see how any amount of frustration with a character would result in a sane and reasonable person wanting to murder them, though.

 

As far as DA:I goes, I'm pretty sure they've said that most of the companions can be dismissed. The lowest amount of party members you can have at the end of the game is one. 

It's...a video game. Of course no sane person would want to kill a real person for being annoying. In real life no sane person would charge in to fight a dragon or kill thousands of people (bandits, enemy faction, etc...) without batting an eye or having PTSD, etc...These are made up characters, if they are annoying then I don't want them in my party. If they are forced on me it makes it 100X worse.

[Allazor]

I hope all the characters are interesting but I think forcing the player to recruit them and making them all non dismissible is a bad idea. I liked in DA:O how you only had to have Alistair and Morrigan (though I think you can boot her and have her come back at the very end?) and it made sense for the plot. It was weird to me in DA2 how some companions were forced on you but others weren't. It seems like it would be plot relevant to have Isabella forced on you but it was nice that she was optional. It didn't make any sense for Merrill to be forced on the player IMO. To me she was annoying and selfish and I would have never recruited her after my first playthrough if given the choice. However when a character is not optional (and goes so far as to appear several times in game, even in the players house no matter if you tell her you don't want to be friends) then annoyance festers and turns to hate and that's where wanting to murder knife them comes in. Even if you like all the characters, sometimes you want only the characters who agree with you for an extreme playthrough ex: if you do an extreme pro mage, anti Templar playthrough in DA2, you might not want Fenris there telling you how much you suck at every turn and betraying you in the end.

 

Funny thing, the only time Fenris didn't join Meredith and then i had to talk him out of it, was when i had full blown rivalry with him and i romanced him  .

[Dirgegun]

So... I'm a horrible person, but... I have to wonder... I'm a mean person, and I love seeing my favorite characters sad/hurt. I mean, this... 

 

http://ryuichifoxe.tumblr.com/

 

is by far one of my favorite pieces of fanart out there. So my question is, since there is bound to be some sort of angst in the story here - I mean, come on, it's Bioware - what are you looking forward to? Because I have to admit, the idea of Dorian getting hurt - Oh God, he'd make being hurt look so good - and my Inquisitor having to swoop in and save the day gets me all a-flutter.

 

Oh God why is hurt Dorian so attractive?!

 

As much as I love seeing my favourite characters hurt, because I am apparently a terrible person, I wouldn't mind it being the other way around, either. I, personally, don't need my protagonist to be the forever badarse that can never lose, whether it be physically, mentally or emotionally. I would personally love to see the Inquisitor find themself in trouble or hurt and the LI is the one that plays the hero for a change. 

 

I don't mind my protagonist being protective, but what about a little protectiveness from the companions and, specifically, the LI? Active protectiveness, rather than passive, where all they do is ask you if you're alright after the fact?

 

I would love to see equal parts angst in Dorian's half of the story, but also the Inquisitor's half of the story. I think there's a potential there too, what with how the Inquisitor is being hunted and how closing the fade rifts has the potential to hurt them (at least judging by that one shot in the Sad Piano demo.)

[Freedheart]

@ Elu "I want to bang that man like a door in a hurricane" - exactly how I felt the first time I heard about Dorian, even before seeing him...and it's only gotten worse with time.  Ahhh, anticipation, such sublime torture.  Maker help me, that man...sighs 

[Caliyhe]

Oh God why is hurt Dorian so attractive?!

 

 

Because we are masochistic creeps. XD

[Gwydden]

It's...a video game. Of course no sane person would want to kill a real person for being annoying. In real life no sane person would charge in to fight a dragon or kill thousands of people (bandits, enemy faction, etc...) without batting an eye or having PTSD, etc...These are made up characters, if they are annoying then I don't want them in my party. If they are forced on me it makes it 100X worse.

I'll never get this. I've never found a character so annoying I wanted to kill them, or even dismiss them from the party. It's extra content, and I prefer my characters to have someone to argue with rather than just get along with their entire party.

 

Not to say yours isn't a legitimate position. I just find it strange.

[Dirgegun]

I'll never get this. I've never found a character so annoying I wanted to kill them, or even dismiss them from the party. It's extra content, and I prefer my characters to have someone to argue with rather than just get along with their entire party.

 

Not to say yours isn't a legitimate position. I just find it strange.

 

This is my stance also-- not to say I don't think other people don't have the right to feel and do whatever they please within their game, I just can't understand it myself. I've wanted to cuff a character for crap they've pulled, but it's never turned into dislike of that magnitude. I suppose I'm lucky that way. I've liked, or at least been able to understand, every single one of Bioware's characters.

[jtav]

Part of it's the import feature. Knowing you might have to see that person again.

 

But I *really* doubt I'll end up like that with Dorian.