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#101
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oh, guys, just say: We don't want chevalier in party. Because he 90% Chevalier.

The only thing that would possibly suggest that is his mustache. And that's just not enough.



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Edit: AHHH! Tevinter batlemage picture ninja'd!  :lol:

 

 

 

People have speculated this, yes.

 

Specifically, we have concept art from World of Thedas that suggest Tevinter battlemasters use swords in battle - but I suspect that Dramatic Hands Guy would need a staff too.

 

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The straps hanging off his shoulders looks just like the straps hanging off Mustache Man's skirt in the survey art.

 

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I hope he is gonna be either an npc or companion. His moustache reminds me of Doc from TOR. Hopefully he is gonna be just as charming as him :P


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#104
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The only thing that would possibly suggest that is his mustache. And that's just not enough.

Spear and sword. And we have 2 mages. No third- disbalance happens.



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^ That's a good point too. World of Thedas was made after they'd concepted the "look" of a lot of the major cultures, so if he is Tevinter then they'd try to integrate that a bit.

 

One thing to keep in mind if Dramatic Hands Guy is Dorian is that the artists might want to get across that he's from Tevinter while putting enough differences in there to emphasise that he's not a typical magister. 

 

(e.g. neither of his outfits look quite as scary or 'dark' as that battlemage, but you could argue they have some similar elements)


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#106
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Spear and sword. And we have 2 mages. No third- disbalance happens.

I am sure light armor and a sword and spear combo is pure chevalier trademark  :D



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Spear and sword. And we have 2 mages. No third- disbalance happens.

 

Have you considered that the spear could be a magical staff that just looks like a spear?

 

It might be the artists' way of making a mage that looks "powerful" or militaristic - by giving them a staff that looks like a weapon.



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Oops, I meant to write battlemages above, Tevinter battlemages. Not battlemasters.

 

The Heroes of Dragon Age game is also meant to have updated models of what Tevinter mages (battlemages and laetan mages) look like, but I haven't been able to find any examples on the internet.



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^ That's a good point too. World of Thedas was made after they'd concepted the "look" of a lot of the major cultures, so if he is Tevinter then they'd try to integrate that a bit.

 

One thing to keep in mind if Dramatic Hands Guy is Dorian is that the artists might want to get across that he's from Tevinter while putting enough differences in there to emphasise that he's not a typical magister. 

 

(e.g. neither of his outfits look quite as scary or 'dark' as that battlemage, but you could argue they have some similar elements)

 

Thanks for bouncing ideas around, I'm excited for Mustache Man now!

 

Oops, I meant to write battlemages above, Tevinter battlemages. Not battlemasters.

 

The Heroes of Dragon Age game is also meant to have updated models of what Tevinter mages (battlemages and laetan mages) look like, but I haven't been able to find any examples on the internet.

 

My husband says he has a lady Tevinter mage on his Heroes of Dragon Age, I'll try to post a picture in a minute.


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In neither the survey art nor the war room piece does he look heavily armored enough to make me think he's a warrior. 

 

Also, as far as I'm aware there's been no hint of confirmation that they'll be giving us spears or polearms. Making this guy a warrior would essentially give him a class of weapons all to himself, and they don't seem to be going that route in this game.



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Ok, he only had a Tevinter Laetan Mage which looks totally different.  The blacked out silhouette of the Tevinter Battlemage, however, has a long, skinny staff in his hands, a sword in scabbard on his hip, a... sheathed dagger hanging on other side, the long divided coat, and what appears to be short hair and a little goatee sticking off his chin.

 

Edit: the Tevinter Laetan Mage has a big collar that looks like Mustache Man's



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In neither the survey art nor the war room piece does he look heavily armored enough to make me think he's a warrior. 

I really can't see him as a warrior with what he is wearing. I'm not saying it isn't a possibility, but I'd rather see 3 warriors, 3 mages and 3 rogues.



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Ok, he only had a Tevinter Laetan Mage which looks totally different.  The blacked out silhouette of the Tevinter Battlemage, however, has a long, skinny staff in his hands, a sword in scabbard on his hip, a... sheathed dagger hanging on other side, the long divided coat, and what appears to be short hair and a little goatee sticking off his chin.

 

Edit: the Tevinter Laetan Mage has a big collar that looks like Mustache Man's

Please show us pucture if it possible. 



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I hope he is gonna be either an npc or companion. His moustache reminds me of Doc from TOR. Hopefully he is gonna be just as charming as him :P

 

Hilariously enough, I've also conflated Dorian with Doc, because of the mustache and because of the way he's described in the survey ("brazen and clever"). I know a lot of people dislike Doc, and for good reason, but I think a DA version of him could be...well, entertaining, for starters. 

 

I'm so confused by the ongoing discussion about Dorian/mustache guy. We have a survey character description of a Tevinter mage that can only really go with the mustache concept, right? Then he shows up again in the piece with other companions/agents, wearing not heavy armor that is very similar to the survey art, and there's still a theoretically empty mage slot left on Team Inquisitor...so why is there so much pushback against Dramatic Hands Mustache Guy being Tevinter Mage Dorian Pavus or a version thereof? 

 

I'm asking sincerely, by the way. Is there not a one-to-one match up of survey art and character concepts or other information I'm missing?



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Is it just me or does he kinda look like Lord Baelish?

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Hilariously enough, I've also conflated Dorian with Doc, because of the mustache and because of the way he's described in the survey ("brazen and clever"). I know a lot of people dislike Doc, and for good reason, but I think a DA version of him could be...well, entertaining, for starters. 

 

I'm so confused by the ongoing discussion about Dorian/mustache guy. We have a survey character description of a Tevinter mage that can only really go with the mustache concept, right? Then he shows up again in the piece with other companions/agents, wearing not heavy armor that is very similar to the survey art, and there's still a theoretically empty mage slot left on Team Inquisitor...so why is there so much pushback against Dramatic Hands Mustache Guy being Tevinter Mage Dorian Pavus or a version thereof? 

 

I'm asking sincerely, by the way. Is there not a one-to-one match up of survey art and character concepts or other information I'm missing?

 

I think there's a bit of pushback because at one point David said the survey companions weren't necessarily reflective of the final game, and fans have definitely been wrong about companion assumptions before. Also, because people seem to get hung up about the idea of three mages. 

 

(For example, for ages I thought Solas was Dorian or some version thereof, and managed to convince myself because of all the "evidence" for it, when there was in fact nothing of the sort. Now, all the "evidence" seems to point to Dramatic Hands being Dorian - but are we interpreting it that way out of wishful thinking? At one point I was convinced Dramatic Hands was a *chevalier* because I thought it made sense, now I'm almost certain he's a battlemage. I don't even trust myself to be accurate with my predictions anymore. :P)

 

There might be more pushback against Dorian because his being in the game would mean one less spot for [random person's favourite character] - be that Cullen, Adrian, etc. We're rapidly running out of free companion spots, and Dorian and Cole would mean no Cullen in the party. 


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He sure does



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Please show us pucture if it possible. 

 

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Keep in mind that there are actually four art models per character type (so there's also a Tevinter Battlemage II, III and IV) who look different to this model - they get progressively more ornate, but I can't find any pictures of the more advanced versions. 

 

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Is it just me or does he kinda look like Lord Baelish?

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If Dramatic Hands is voiced by Aidan Gillen I will lose. my. ****.


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#120
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Maybe he is just a NPC. Could be a very important one like commander of the military arm of the inquisition who reports to our Inquisitor. A role a lot of people here BSN are speculating Cullen will be fulfilling. 



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What makes me think this guy is the companion and Cullen is the NPC is that this guy was paired with Sera in the survey and Cullen was paired with the Scribe. That's not enough to be certain, for sure, though.



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The "he has a spear he is a warrior" argument failed before it started.

 

This was a staff in DA2 and it was bigger than Qunari spears:

 

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The could be intentional on Bioware part they did say there were certain red herrings in that survey..



#124
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The could be intentional on Bioware part they did say there were certain red herrings in that survey..

 

I doubt it. The survey wasn't meant to be released to the public; why would it have trick questions? Genuine marketing surveys don't have red herrings if they want sincere feedback. It probably wasn't even written by actual game developers - the Marketing people more likely put it together. 

 

(Not to mention that practically everything in that survey has turned out to be accurate.)



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:whistle:

 

Keep in mind that there are actually four art models per character type (so there's also a Tevinter Battlemage II, III and IV) who look different to this model - they get progressively more ornate, but I can't find any pictures of the more advanced versions. 

 

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Hrm. I can see some resemblance between their gear and Mustache Guy's, but not enough to be anywhere near conclusive. 

 

They also look somewhat darker than Mustache Guy. Could be a point against it.