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I don't recall anything being said about Dorian and Cassandra's relationship, but I think they would get along well.  As you point out, Nevarran culture is unique among the White Chantry nations for their views of the dead and treatment of mages.  I think they'd get along very well since they have so much in common.  Plus, Dorian left Tevinter because of some disagreement with the government there, so it's possible that he and Cassandra will have similar views on other issues... maybe...

 

As for the rest... eh... necromancy is legal, but frowned upon in most cultures on Thedas, so I can't imagine practicing it will make him very popular... on the other hand, I'm not sure if anyone will specifically object to it, aside from perhaps Vivienne.  Maybe Iron Bull since he doesn't seem to care for spirits and demons (assuming those are needed for reanimation...).  I'm curious to see how Dorian and Cole interact... would Cole have an objection to him summoning spirits into corpses? 

 

I could actually see Dorian having the necromancer specialization possibily being a point of contention between him and Cassandra, given Nevarran customs regarding the dead. Nevarrans could see necromancy as disrespect to the Fade spirits by forcing them to do the bidding of the necromancer. 



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I could actually see Dorian having the necromancer specialization possibily being a point of contention between him and Cassandra, given Nevarran customs regarding the dead. Nevarrans could see necromancy as disrespect to the Fade spirits by forcing them to do the bidding of the necromancer. 

That's a switch... I figured they were okay with it since they force spirits into the bodies of their dead and let them roam around the Necropolis... maybe without the cultural context, they disapprove of the practice?



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I could actually see Dorian having the necromancer specialization possibily being a point of contention between him and Cassandra, given Nevarran customs regarding the dead. Nevarrans could see necromancy as disrespect to the Fade spirits by forcing them to do the bidding of the necromancer. 

 

It's pretty well known the Mortalitasi practice necromancy. So...I'm sure she won't find Dorians manner of necromancy too out-there.

 

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Damn, now I really want to see Dorian's Keep romance tile.

 

(Context: two romance titles for DAI were revealed in the Keep stream today, Cass and Blackwall.)

The game isn't even out yet but they already have Keep tiles for it?

 

Yes, because the Inquisition part of the Keep has to go live the moment DAI gets into our grabby little hands. Reason being the Keep is also meant to record your DAI sessions (provided you are online).


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#12680
Icy Magebane

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Yes, because the Inquisition part of the Keep has to go live the moment DAI gets into our grabby little hands. Reason being the Keep is also meant to record your DAI sessions (provided you are online).

Oh, I see... that makes sense.  If that's the case I'll have to be careful to avoid looking at the Keep until I finish the game... that could easily lead to spoilers...



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Oh, I see... that makes sense.  If that's the case I'll have to be careful to avoid looking at the Keep until I finish the game... that could easily lead to spoilers...

 

They said they're working on a way to keep it spoiler-free.



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They said they're working on a way to keep it spoiler-free.

Sounds good... It's nice that they're at least thinking about ways to prevent spoilers, but I doubt I'll really need to access the Keep in the middle of my first playthrough.  I'm sure it'll be fine.



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Oh, I see... that makes sense.  If that's the case I'll have to be careful to avoid looking at the Keep until I finish the game... that could easily lead to spoilers...

They said they're working on a way to keep it spoiler-free.

 

Yep, they are working on spoiler-gating. No news on how yet, they're working it out.



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It's pretty well known the Mortalitasi practice necromancy. So...I'm sure she won't find Dorians manner of necromancy too out-there.

 

 

There's experimentation with necromancy they say, but it also seems restricted to the Mortalitasi. It could be without that particular cultural element, being a part of that group, necromancy is looked down upon by Nevarrans.

 

Really, I'm spit-balling ideas here more than anything - I tend to find more interesting character facts in what they choose to make an issue out of over anything else, so I'm looking for ways for characters to butt heads.

 

Even if Cassandra doesn't take issue with him being a necromancer, though, I'm thinking there'll be some tension between them - he may be an outcast, but he was still raised in Tevinter, brought up in the nobility. Given the White Chantry's attitude towards Tevinter and Cassandra being so close to the White Divine, I wouldn't be surprised to see some issues between them, maybe one-sided, maybe not.



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I remember in DA2 ...Andraste's boobs appearing in all the cinematics!

 

From :http://ellustration.tumblr.com/

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#12687
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This reminds me of that statue of Andraste from the Black Emporium.

 

Can stone lie with purpose? Can it beckon with raw feminine command, yet shine with an inspiring virtue? That challenge was posed to sculptor Arwand de Glace, artisan and son of Empress Vougiene of Orlais. It was busywork and rhetoric in a time of excess, but answer he did—with the reserves of a nation and a passion unhealthy. His subject? Our Lady, though not as depicted in traditional statuary.

 

Arwand's mad ambition summoned the form of Andraste uninterrupted by the trappings of war and devoid of the vestments she assumed after death. It was living, commanding, obscene, yet inspired. To gaze upon it was to be enthralled, spiritually and physically. It was the latter that alarmed Chantry officials. They blanched at the thought of Our Lady being possessed of such a base appeal, even as they, too, were drawn.

 

The work could not be destroyed without threatening the balance between empire and hallowed, so a grave censorship was enacted under the guise of honoring. Enchanters were tasked with extending the ethereal that hides the Fade, drawing it around the form like a cloak. Our Lady remains in the stone and in this world, but mortal eyes are forever denied her treasure and glory. She is veiled in every sense.

 

As in all things, unintended consequences must vex those with pure intentions. Modesty would have been better served by a thickened sheet, drawn back when techniques were to be studied. As it is, the sculptor's skills are accessible only to an exploring touch, defining the shape by intimate caress. All manner of strange congress has stemmed from tempted hands and the innocent wish for clarity.

 

—From Art and Shame: Forbidden Wonders of Faith by Foisine de Petitforet, translated by Philliam, a Bard!

 

Of course, he is certainly not feminine, but I am thinking that if it weren't for that magic smothering Dorian, we'd all go crazy just looking at it. Maker.... he is stunning....


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#12688
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I don't recall anything being said about Dorian and Cassandra's relationship, but I think they would get along well. As you point out, Nevarran culture is unique among the White Chantry nations for their views of the dead and treatment of mages. I think they'd get along very well since they have so much in common. Plus, Dorian left Tevinter because of some disagreement with the government there, so it's possible that he and Cassandra will have similar views on other issues... maybe...

As for the rest... eh... necromancy is legal, but frowned upon in most cultures on Thedas, so I can't imagine practicing it will make him very popular... on the other hand, I'm not sure if anyone will specifically object to it, aside from perhaps Vivienne. Maybe Iron Bull since he doesn't seem to care for spirits and demons (assuming those are needed for reanimation...). I'm curious to see how Dorian and Cole interact... would Cole have an objection to him summoning spirits into corpses?


Should also be interesting what Dorian thinks of Cole.

:)

#12689
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Should also be interesting what Dorian thinks of Cole.

:)

^I'd imagine that Dorian is well versed in demons and spirits as a Tevinter mage, so he probably has just as much insight into Cole as Solas does.

Also, bump.

#12690
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Dude, you're on the wrong pa... Damn you Elu.

Bumpninjaed...


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By Mesitka: http://mesitka.tumbl...hey-all-seem-so

 

on closer inspection, is Dorian reaching for the ale or trying to fondle IB's arm? i wouldn't blame him for the latter


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#12692
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This reminds me of that statue of Andraste from the Black Emporium.

 

Can stone lie with purpose? Can it beckon with raw feminine command, yet shine with an inspiring virtue? That challenge was posed to sculptor Arwand de Glace, artisan and son of Empress Vougiene of Orlais. It was busywork and rhetoric in a time of excess, but answer he did—with the reserves of a nation and a passion unhealthy. His subject? Our Lady, though not as depicted in traditional statuary.

 

Arwand's mad ambition summoned the form of Andraste uninterrupted by the trappings of war and devoid of the vestments she assumed after death. It was living, commanding, obscene, yet inspired. To gaze upon it was to be enthralled, spiritually and physically. It was the latter that alarmed Chantry officials. They blanched at the thought of Our Lady being possessed of such a base appeal, even as they, too, were drawn.

 

The work could not be destroyed without threatening the balance between empire and hallowed, so a grave censorship was enacted under the guise of honoring. Enchanters were tasked with extending the ethereal that hides the Fade, drawing it around the form like a cloak. Our Lady remains in the stone and in this world, but mortal eyes are forever denied her treasure and glory. She is veiled in every sense.

 

As in all things, unintended consequences must vex those with pure intentions. Modesty would have been better served by a thickened sheet, drawn back when techniques were to be studied. As it is, the sculptor's skills are accessible only to an exploring touch, defining the shape by intimate caress. All manner of strange congress has stemmed from tempted hands and the innocent wish for clarity.

 

—From Art and Shame: Forbidden Wonders of Faith by Foisine de Petitforet, translated by Philliam, a Bard!

 

Of course, he is certainly not feminine, but I am thinking that if it weren't for that magic smothering Dorian, we'd all go crazy just looking at it. Maker.... he is stunning....

Stop manhandling Dorian. That is my job. :devil:  



#12693
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Do you think Dorian uses product to wax his mustache, or does that level of dashingness just come naturally?

#12694
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Do you think Dorian uses product to wax his mustache, or does that level of dashingness just come naturally?

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They said they're working on a way to keep it spoiler-free.

It seems like an odd problem to not have been solved at the very beginning.

I hope they come up with something solid; it's going to seriously diminish the utility of the Keep if you have to cover your eyes to avoid seeing things that you haven't been able to experience in the game yet. (I'd truly consider making my first playthrough non-import just so I could discover the story naturally rather than having it already spoiled.)

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...seems legit.

#12697
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It seems like an odd problem to not have been solved at the very beginning.

I hope they come up with something solid; it's going to seriously diminish the utility of the Keep if you have to cover your eyes to avoid seeing things that you haven't been able to experience in the game yet. (I'd truly consider making my first playthrough non-import just so I could discover the story naturally rather than having it already spoiled.)

Isn't DA:I supposed to be added to the Keep on launch day?  Why would they release the Keep early but include a list of spoilers for the entirety of DA:I?  That can't be how it works...  I mean, I don't want to know Dorian's ultimate fate or the details of his questline before I even have the game in my hands.



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...seems legit.

Or

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#12699
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Ugh no friendship meter tracking?! LAME.

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Isn't DA:I supposed to be added to the Keep on launch day?  Why would they release the Keep early but include a list of spoilers for the entirety of DA:I?  That can't be how it works...  I mean, I don't want to know Dorian's ultimate fate or the details of his questline before I even have the game in my hands.

I have no idea (I generally don't pay attention to Keep stuff).

I guess it makes sense that they wouldn't officially spoil the game before the release date, but even then, it's not going to help somebody who gets the game for Christmas and learns about the Keep and goes to set up their world state then. (I have to believe they'll make it easy to disregard that information for those of us who don't want to have the details spoiled.)

Since it's supposed to be their forward-looking solution, I'm just surprised it's not something they've already dealt with.
 

Ugh no friendship meter tracking?! LAME.

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I don't think it's necessary. There are probably more than enough contextual cues to get a sense of a companion or advisor liking you or not, and they still have indicators for individual approval or disapproval (hopefully they persist even after the "meter" reaches maximum—I hated losing that feedback in DA2 once you got max friendship or rivalry).

I prefer it to seem more natural than simply a game of numbers (it still is a game of numbers, but without exposing it to the player, you have to be more observant in your choices and how you interact with the characters). Worst case, you'll still just be able to save before a quest, make all your choices, and if you see a companion you want max friendship with disapprove of what you've done, reload and take another companion instead. :)