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[Frogtoad51]

I just hope Dorian won't get pouty if I won't be gay with him like Anders does.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I don't mean to be nitpicky, but Fenris and Merrill both had green eyes.  There wasn't a speck of brown in them.  So it's really more three hazel eyes and three green eyes.

 

Fenris:

[spoiler] iler]

 

Merrill:

[spoiler] oiler]

 

...Not that I really want to press this as a big, huge issue (because it probably isn't).  I just personally preferred Dorian with hazel eyes.    His current eye color reminds me of Benedict Cumberbatch's eye color, actually.  Someone told me the color is called glasz?

 

EDIT: Found a picture with a bunch of glasz eyes.  The third one down is kinda similar as far as I can tell.

Definitely agree. Fenris and Merill both have green eyes, it's just a more muted (realisitic) green color than then emerald tone a lot of animation chooses to represent green. That's the same reason I'd call Dorian's blue, they're just not a vivid blue. (Most real life eye colors aren't the shades we tend to most closely associate with the words blue, green, and grey.)

 

Oh, and Aveline had green eyes as well.

[daveliam]

I just hope Dorian won't get pouty if I won't be gay with him like Anders does.

 

I hope he does get a little pouty if you build up 'approval' with him and then turn him down when he flirts with you.  Why?  Because that's realistic.  That's exactly how it works in real life.  When you reject someone, they get a little upset for a bit, but then get over it.  I've been rejecting female characters for 30 years and, sometimes, it affects the story.  It's part of life and people can deal with it.  The thing with Anders was so minimal that I can't believe it's a recurring issue.  Reject him and take the rivalry points.  Or don't and flirt with him (it doesn't lock in his romance anyway).  Either way, you can quickly go right back to how you play normally and the game will be no different from that point on anyway.  People keep asking for realism in the games anyway. 

[ummiehummie]

Have I mentioned that you're my favourite forum friend? Cullen is hazel, and Bull is a total unknown. (Though I'd guess he'd have a Sten-ish violet). As for Dorian's, they look blue to me.

Bull's eyecolour? Violet? Naaaaah

 

[ummiehummie]

Maybe he wanted to hurt yours?  It can work the other way, you know. 

 

P.S.  You're welcome for that!

 

 

So Bull has blue eyes too? 

That's... what I thought at first too. But I'm not so sure anymore. I think I see some grey there.

[Gothfather]

Voicing disappointment =/= fan entitlement.

And I don't see this rabid reaction here at all. Some of us are merely expressing how we feel about the change, but I haven't seen anyone threaten devs with pitchforks over it.

 

The very first statement i say is "speaking generally..." So I was not trying to single out any one person or example but rather to get people to take a deep breath with voicing their disappointment because this disippointment has NOTHING to do with Bioware and EVERTHING to do with fans becoming attached to concept art or WIP, and as i said this isn't confined to companions its across the board of features. People assume things will be X and as things always change in development and so invariably it changes to Y people don't go seem to have the perspective that Bioware isn't responsible for their own personal expectations.

 

And no there couldn't be any overreactions on this thread at all. All 500+ pages is pure reasoned thought expressed in a succinct way.

 

Everyone thinks they are being reasonable when they complain. If you thought you were being unreasonable, you'd have to be a true narcissist to post.  But these claims of "white washing" are an overreaction. He's been getting darker and they go from hazel to grey or blue or whatever lighter colour you want to call it and its "white washing?" That seems to me that people are LOOKING for an excuse to be outraged. And don't give me this "white washing is a REAL problem." Your damn right it is but that doesn't mean THIS is an examble of it. It trivializes the problem when people start using the claim indiscriminately.

[herkles]

I just hope Dorian won't get pouty if I won't be gay with him like Anders does.

Suggestion: don't flirt with him then. You do not have to worry about him being disspointed if you don't flirt with him. 

 

 

Anyways, I am curious how Dorian might view the Imperial Chantry of Tevinter. 

[Vita Brevis]

 That seems to me that people are LOOKING for an excuse to be outraged

Darling, you don't know the half of it.

You wanna see people raging because of something Bioware did, try Vivienne's or Varric's thread.

 

But here? We're just a little upset.

[Gothfather]

Darling, you don't know the half of it.

You wanna see people raging because of something Bioware did, try Vivienne's or Varric's threads.

 

But here? We're just a little upset.

i did mention that fandom rage in my pervious post, at least with regards to varric and cassandra. In no way did i imply or want to imply it was confined to here, I was speaking generally. And thought using the term "speaking generally..." would convey that meaning.

 

I would have commented on those threads but it seems pointless to repost the same post over and over again. i posted it here because while Varric is my favourite companion, I find Dorian the most intresting, I know varric so I don't need to visit the thread, As for the others none of them have sparked my intrest as much as Dorian so I pop in this thread for new tid bits. And because i frequent this thread more than the others this thread got my post. And i have always beleive a critique is of value regardless of the fact if the example you use is an example of the worst of said problem. Not citing the worse also puts in perspective the scope of the issue you are critiquing.

[Trophonius]

 
The very first statement i say is "speaking generally..." So I was not trying to single out any one person or example but rather to get people to take a deep breath with voicing their disappointment because this disippointment has NOTHING to do with Bioware and EVERTHING to do with fans becoming attached to concept art or WIP, and as i said this isn't confined to companions its across the board of features. People assume things will be X and as things always change in development and so invariably it changes to Y people don't go seem to have the perspective that Bioware isn't responsible for their own personal expectations.
 
And no there couldn't be any overreactions on this thread at all. All 500+ pages is pure reasoned thought expressed in a succinct way.
 
Everyone thinks they are being reasonable when they complain. If you thought you were being unreasonable, you'd have to be a true narcissist to post.  But these claims of "white washing" are an overreaction. He's been getting darker and they go from hazel to grey or blue or whatever lighter colour you want to call it and its "white washing?" That seems to me that people are LOOKING for an excuse to be outraged. And don't give me this "white washing is a REAL problem." Your damn right it is but that doesn't mean THIS is an examble of it. It trivializes the problem when people start using the claim indiscriminately.

Your diatribe on the previous page was unnecessarily patronizing and no where did I claim that this thread was devoid of drama. Many people here expressed and are certainly welcome to express their disappointment, but do we expect anything to be done about it? No, because any changes that have been made are finalized and we understand that. What I don't understand is why voicing an opinion is synonymous to crazy fan behavior, much like the way you are describing us in your previous post.

As for whitewashing characters? That's not looking to be offended; it's a valid and serious concern that consistently pervades the media.

[Joe25]

Guys who will grow mustaches like Dorian?

I did that three months ago. But, now it is gone and I need Dorian to be my lip warmer.

[Lucy Glitter]

Your diatribe on the previous page was unnecessarily patronizing and no where did I claim that this thread was devoid of drama. Many people here expressed and are certainly welcome to express their disappointment, but do we expect anything to be done about it? No, because any changes that have been made are finalized and we understand that. What I don't understand is why voicing an opinion is synonymous to crazy fan behavior, much like the way you are describing us in your previous post.

As for whitewashing characters? That's not looking to be offended; it's a valid and serious concern that consistently pervades the media.

Thank you.

[ACD101]

wow, some serious stuff on here.

 

Let us focus and bask in the gloriousness that is Dorian!

[ladyofpayne]

I did that three months ago. But, now it is gone and I need Dorian to be my lip warmer.

Why you wouldn't show us photo?

[Joe25]

Why you wouldn't show us photo?

Because the fun of BSN is no one knows who I am.

[Ceoldoren]

Wow, this place got a little more serious than usual. So I'll post up my thoughts on the situation.

 

While I definitely understand the fear of whitewashing. I don't think them changing his eye color has anything to do with them trying to make him more Caucasian. Maybe they just like him better with blue eyes ? As long as they haven't changed his appearance or skin tone. I don't see a huge issue with it.

[Lebanese Dude]

Er... How is lightening eye color the equivalent of whitewashing?

Grey eyes are hardly unique among Caucasians... Most people in my part of the world have brown or hazel eyes but a significant portion have grey and even blue eyes.

Even then, I hardly think it matters since this is Thedas not Earth 2.0

Skin color differences exist for the purpose of diversity, but I sincerely doubt they have to give every "race" stereotypical features that "make sense" to you.

Frankly this notion is more offensive than whatever whitewashing you are deluded about.

In any case it's understandable to be disappointed but drop this discussion please.

[Gothfather]

Your diatribe on the previous page was unnecessarily patronizing and no where did I claim that this thread was devoid of drama. Many people here expressed and are certainly welcome to express their disappointment, but do we expect anything to be done about it? No, because any changes that have been made are finalized and we understand that. What I don't understand is why voicing an opinion is synonymous to crazy fan behavior, much like the way you are describing us in your previous post.

As for whitewashing characters? That's not looking to be offended; it's a valid and serious concern that consistently pervades the media.

 

The fact that you view my telling fans to get some perspective as a diatribe illustrates nicely how fans need to get some perspective. Thanks for giving evidence to my point.

 

 

 

 And don't give me this "white washing is a REAL problem." Your damn right it is but that doesn't mean THIS is an examble of it. It trivializes the problem when people start using the claim indiscriminately.

 

 

To your last sentence I suspected you weren't actually reading my post but rather want that feeling like i was persecuting you and this thread. I said it was a real problem but i also said making claims about it indiscriminately trivialized the real problem. At every data point on the topic of white-washing of Dorian, Dorian has moved FURTHER away from a classic white characteristics. He's gotten darker and darker, then just ONE data point shifts him towards a classic caucasian feature. Do you know what it is called when all your data points point towards one thing and you get one point the points towards a different direction? Its called an outlier, do you think it is wise to use one outlier to contruct a theory? This is how a theory deals with an outlier...

 

In theory, an outlier is something that is so unlikely that it is thought to be unrepresentative of the rest of the sample.( http://dictionary.re.../browse/Outlier )

 

Yeah sort of like one step towards light eyes doesn't suddenly set a trend of Bioware white washing Dorian, You know that companion who has gotten darker and darker through development?

 

So the theroy that Dorian is being white-wash is an overreaction because fans can't get perspective on what ONE data point means against a consistant set of data points that move dorian away from being white-washed. And when you overreact and make claims about white-washing that anyone with no vested interest can look and see this is CLEARLY not the case you harm the very problem of white-washing. Ever heard of the boy who cried wolf? The wolf was a real bloody problem but then after so many false calls people stopped listening. Its a natural human reaction, so when a real problem arose it was ignored. Maybe people should bare that in mind and stop trivializing a REAL problem with fandom QQing.

[ElitePinecone]

Yeah, it baffles me that brown is so rare... especially dark brown, in DAI. And, yes, it's the pseudo-whitewashing thing that really bugs me. Blue eyes are so much more common among Europeans after all, I mean, what's wrong with having a Brown guy be attractive because he is brown in all aspects? It makes me feel like it's another story of 'the whitest looking amongst the other races is the prettiest', especially because it's so rampant in the world. (The top selling beauty product, for both men and women, in India is skin whitening cream, I mean when Shahrukh Khan is actively promoting the stuff, it's hard to think that 'Brown is beautiful').

 

I hardly think it's pseudo-whitewashing, because Thedas isn't Earth and Dorian isn't Indian. 

[Reznore57]

So anyone think Dorian might end up in the new trailer , and since it seems it's not real in game footage ...he could be ever hotter or it's going to be awful (poor Varric...)?

 

I had a hard time with the new faces in Frosbite at first , and now this...It feels like eating a lemon.

[Lucy Glitter]

So... a handful of people voice their rather innocent concerns over his potential change in eye colour, some saying that they are worried about white-washing... and then BAM! OH MY GOD FANS ARE BLAMING BIOWARE OF WHITE WASHING, CALM DOWN OMG.

From my perspective - it is the people who disagree that have made a massive deal out of it. So perhaps everyone should sit down, have a cup of tea and chill out. I think that one photo that suggests a change in eye colour is not too much of an issue for me, but that does NOT mean that there isn't room for a discussion about it or cause for concern. Let's not be dismissive, rude or hostile to our fellow Dorianmancers. Love and peace.

I hardly think it's pseudo-whitewashing, because Thedas isn't Earth and Dorian isn't Indian.

Being in a fantasy setting does not excuse it. Lol.

[Lebanese Dude]

So anyone think Dorian might end up in the new trailer , and since it seems it's not real in game footage ...he could be ever hotter or it's going to be awful (poor Varric...)?

 

I had a hard time with the new faces in Frosbite at first , and now this...It feels like eating a lemon.

 

There's a new trailer coming out?

[Lebanese Dude]

So... a handful of people voice their rather innocent concerns over his potential change in eye colour, some saying that they are worried about white-washing... and then BAM! OH MY GOD FANS ARE BLAMING BIOWARE OF WHITE WASHING, CALM DOWN OMG.

From my perspective - it is the people who disagree that have made a massive deal out of it. So perhaps everyone should sit down, have a cup of tea and chill out. I think that one photo that suggests a change in eye colour is not too much of an issue for me, but that does NOT mean that there isn't room for a discussion about it or cause for concern. Let's not be dismissive, rude or hostile to our fellow Dorianmancers. Love and peace.

Cersei has spoken.

 

Back to revelry!

[Reznore57]

There's a new trailer coming out?

 

Yeah , we had a teaser yesterday?

You didn't see it?

[Trophonius]

The fact that you view my telling fans to get some perspective and you call that a diatribe illustrates nicely how fans need to get some perspective. Thanks for giving evidence to my point.

Telling fans to "get some perspective" wasn't all you did, especially when you continued to not only generalize, but also demean the members here who have expressed even a hint of dissent and disappointment.

Yes but fandom is often tied to lunacy. Some fans get too attached to concept art or pre-launch builds of a character. They become obsesed and fixated. The way some fans react over Dorian, Varric, Cassandra its like they are looking to be offended. Like they enjoy the feeling of being offended.

In any other case I might've agreed, but not in this particular case. All that was said up until your post was that people missed/preferred Dorian's previous eye color and expressed their concerns about possible whitewashing. While I don't share the idea that Dorian is being nefariously whitewashed, I do, however, understand the reservations others may have about potential and actual instances of whitewashing. It has dangerous implications, for one, and communicates a virulent message that not white = bad.

By all means people should give feedback but some people really need perspective. This isn't limited to companion rage either its a result of people being generally on the whole self centred, putting thier wants above anyone elses wants and if Bioware doesn't give them their want its somehow a personal afront.

You are, again, generalizing people who may have a different opinion from you to be self-centered, as if they expect their needs to be catered to at every turn. It's difficult to interpret this post as anything other than inflammatory so I can't really attempt to make myself want or feel persecuted when you have objectively described us as being self-centered and by extension, whiny without provocation that merited the kind of response you made earlier.

And that analogy about the boy who cried wolf is only dismissing understandable concerns that some members here have communicated.

We can continue to disagree or agree to disagree. For this thread's sake, I will end this discussion about Dorian here.