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[Mistress9Nine]

Is it me or is Dorian a whiner when it comes to his realtionship with his father? That story doesn't make a lick of sense. We are told from DA:O on in codex entries and the like, that sexuality doesn't really matter in Thedas, that it is just a quirk and as long as you perform your duties expected of you, noone cares.

 

So Dorian's father shouldn't really give a damn that his son is hooked on man-parts, all he cares is that Dorian father him some grandchildren. Now obviously nobody likes being forced to marry against their will, but this is totally accepted in these times. Nobles are married and bred for the sole purpose of forging alliances and getting more wealth/power. It wasn't even uncommon for these marriges to never even consummate and both parties kept concubines.

 

Add to this that I spent the latter half of the game shamelessly frilting with Dorian, making his "big reveal" all the more anticlimactic. 

 

Not that I don't enjoy his character and romance tremendously, but the whole gay issue seems forced when according to the setting it's no big deal. 

[carlo angelo]

Is it me or is Dorian a whiner when it comes to his realtionship with his father? That story doesn't make a lick of sense. We are told from DA:O on in codex entries and the like, that sexuality doesn't really matter in Thedas, that it is just a quirk and as long as you perform your duties expected of you, noone cares.

 

So Dorian's father shouldn't really give a damn that his son is hooked on man-parts, all he cares is that Dorian father him some grandchildren. Now obviously nobody likes being forced to marry against their will, but this is totally accepted in these times. Nobles are married and bred for the sole purpose of forging alliances and getting more wealth/power. It wasn't even uncommon for these marriges to never even consummate and both parties kept concubines.

 

Add to this that I spent the latter half of the game shamelessly frilting with Dorian, making his "big reveal" all the more anticlimactic. 

 

Not that I don't enjoy his character and romance tremendously, but the whole gay issue seems forced when according to the setting it's no big deal. 

I think, and this is coming from my perspective, that it's Dorian just rejecting the entirety of what that life would entail should he be wedded to a woman for the sole sake of forging an alliance and improving the bloodline- "the lies, the scheming, the illusions of supremacy..." But being gay seems to be the heart of it, understandably, and as a bit of a romantic myself, the idea of being in that sort of situation would freak the hell out of me as well.

 

I mean, we're told that Dorian's an idealist of sorts, for all his caustic wit, and I suppose being a bit of a romantic comes with that. I mean, the whole "I'll take what I can get, but if it's a relationship you want, please don't let this blow up in my face" line of thought he has going is fairly reminiscent of a lot of gay romance subplots I've read.

 

I'm not too far into the game yet, but I do hope to see more of Dorian's personal arc...

[Chashan]

Is it me or is Dorian a whiner when it comes to his realtionship with his father? That story doesn't make a lick of sense. We are told from DA:O on in codex entries and the like, that sexuality doesn't really matter in Thedas, that it is just a quirk and as long as you perform your duties expected of you, noone cares.

 

So Dorian's father shouldn't really give a damn that his son is hooked on man-parts, all he cares is that Dorian father him some grandchildren. Now obviously nobody likes being forced to marry against their will, but this is totally accepted in these times. Nobles are married and bred for the sole purpose of forging alliances and getting more wealth/power. It wasn't even uncommon for these marriges to never even consummate and both parties kept concubines.

 

Add to this that I spent the latter half of the game shamelessly frilting with Dorian, making his "big reveal" all the more anticlimactic. 

 

Not that I don't enjoy his character and romance tremendously, but the whole gay issue seems forced when according to the setting it's no big deal. 

 

As far as I recall, the World of Thedas book establishes that the Imperium is somewhat less "progressive" in public regarding this - which doesn't stop it in the private sphere, though. Going by what I read of this, as I do not have it.

That aside, I suppose it would still be a concern for such families where it is expected of an heir that they do sire/birth the next generation, to secure the family's lineage. After all, Thedas does not have alternate means of procreation other than the natural method, and if an heir's stance is at odds with this, there may be a problem.

 

I'll have to agree that him swinging the other way was just slightly overplayed in that 're-union' with his father, for the reason you give. Way I personally see it, he could simply have agreed to a marriage for appearances, come to an agreement with a potential wife beforehand - libertine freedom of choice for a lover for her as well as him, say - and done he is.

 

Even so, I am glad one can talk him into making up with his da', rather than said da' being completely caricatured as the big bad. By and large,it still is family business, and reconciliation in those matters usually works best.

 

 

Having said all this, I've got to say I can feel for those who would have loved to hook their Inquisitor-ladies up with Dorian, charming fellow that he is. Despite this, the flirts my Inquisitor ma'am can still throw at him are delightful, this coming from someone who usually sticks to female PCs and hooks them up with girls.

[renfrees]

One thing I must admit is that Dorian is awful at cursing in Tevene.

[ladyofpayne]

[Wanderlust14]

Really? How far in was this? Because he hasn't commented on the fact that I'm a mage either, that I remember anyway. Weird.

 

It was right after we returned to Haven. You may have to talk to him twice though (if I recall correctly)

[BloodKaiden]

Is it me or is Dorian a whiner when it comes to his realtionship with his father? That story doesn't make a lick of sense. We are told from DA:O on in codex entries and the like, that sexuality doesn't really matter in Thedas, that it is just a quirk and as long as you perform your duties expected of you, noone cares.
 
So Dorian's father shouldn't really give a damn that his son is hooked on man-parts, all he cares is that Dorian father him some grandchildren. Now obviously nobody likes being forced to marry against their will, but this is totally accepted in these times. Nobles are married and bred for the sole purpose of forging alliances and getting more wealth/power. It wasn't even uncommon for these marriges to never even consummate and both parties kept concubines.
 
Add to this that I spent the latter half of the game shamelessly frilting with Dorian, making his "big reveal" all the more anticlimactic. 
 
Not that I don't enjoy his character and romance tremendously, but the whole gay issue seems forced when according to the setting it's no big deal.

I wouldn't call him a whiner, Dorian strikes me as a character who just doesn't tolerate bullshit and doesn't do anything he does not want to do. While for the majority sexuality might not be a big issue in Thedas that doesn't mean all citizens feel the same way about it. Especially when it comes to nobility. From what I gathered Dorian's father was

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also willing to turn to blood magic in order to change Dorian to his own liking because of pride and the sake of his legacy for the perfect mage grandchildren.

Did Dorian act like an ass, yes. But at the same time it seems justified to me, at least you can allow them to make up and talk it out if that's the path you want to go. Is it a bit selfish on Dorians part, maybe. But at the end of the day its his life and he has to follow his own path through it.

[Hellion Rex]

Is it me or is Dorian a whiner when it comes to his realtionship with his father? That story doesn't make a lick of sense. We are told from DA:O on in codex entries and the like, that sexuality doesn't really matter in Thedas, that it is just a quirk and as long as you perform your duties expected of you, noone cares.

 

So Dorian's father shouldn't really give a damn that his son is hooked on man-parts, all he cares is that Dorian father him some grandchildren. Now obviously nobody likes being forced to marry against their will, but this is totally accepted in these times. Nobles are married and bred for the sole purpose of forging alliances and getting more wealth/power. It wasn't even uncommon for these marriges to never even consummate and both parties kept concubines.

 

Add to this that I spent the latter half of the game shamelessly frilting with Dorian, making his "big reveal" all the more anticlimactic. 

 

Not that I don't enjoy his character and romance tremendously, but the whole gay issue seems forced when according to the setting it's no big deal. 

That's false. In Tevinter, it is a very big deal and always has been.

[BloodKaiden]

That's false. In Tevinter, it is a very big deal and always has been.

Really, hmm I'll have to read the codex. Thought Tevinters were fine with it and only cared if they didn't produce offsprings with strong magical bloodlines.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Not all the countries in Thedas view homosexuality equally. From the codex, in Tevinter it was mostly only acceptable with a slave. If my only option was to be in a loveless marriage with some woman and to essentially be raping some slave, I would do the same thing as Dorian. There is no point in making yourself miserable just to please someone else. And his father did attempt to lobotomize him. I think that gives Dorian a good reason to be upset.

[renfrees]

That's false. In Tevinter, it is a very big deal and always has been.

It's not a big deal with favored slaves as we know, and even encouraged, but not among nobles. I take it Dorian wanted a legitimate relationship, not a shameful shagging with male slaves behind the curtains of the villa.

[carlo angelo]

Not all the countries in Thedas view homosexuality equally. From the codex, in Tevinter it was mostly only acceptable with a slave. If my only option was to be in a loveless marriage with someone woman and to essentially be raping some slave, I would do the same thing as Dorian. There is no point in making yourself miserable just to please someone else. And his father did attempt to lobotomize him. I think that gives Dorian a good reason to be upset.

 

Oh yep. The idea that male slaves could be forced to engage in something for my sake would make me want to hurl. That, and while being in a loveless marriage with someone of the sex I'll find it in myself to have a romantic relationship would be my kind of hell. I know of people who've actually gone through that and came out emotionally scarred and regretful because of that. The marriage part, not the slave part, just to be clear.

 

I'd like to see more of him and his quest, and I'm hoping that all I've seen on Youtube isn't the entirety of it. Because, well... I'd like to see more of his character (along with everyone else, but hey, I've got favourites, I'm sorry!).

[onakita]

I finally got it, when you got a Skyhall you need to speek to Dorian, then go somewhere on world map, go back judge Alexias (use him for him magic) and then immediately speek to Dorian, it worked for me.

[Bob Walker]

In order to romance Dorian, shouldn't I talk to him him at all at Haven (or shouldn't I talk about Alexius)?

[Wanderlust14]

In order to romance Dorian, shouldn't I talk to him him at all at Haven (or shouldn't I talk about Alexius)?

It depends, I don't think Haven is a problem (I didnt have any issues and I'm on PC), but I've heard some people having issues with Alexius. I do wish they would release a patch soon. It is pretty buggy.

[Bob Walker]

I hope all those bugs were not created on purpose to keep the homophobics away from Dorian (remembering the accusations about Anders in DAII).

[Mistress9Nine]

Oh yep. The idea that male slaves could be forced to engage in something for my sake would make me want to hurl. That, and while being in a loveless marriage with someone of the sex I'll find it in myself to have a romantic relationship would be my kind of hell. I know of people who've actually gone through that and came out emotionally scarred and regretful because of that. The marriage part, not the slave part, just to be clear.

 

Just to be clear, 99% of Tevinter nobles are stuck in loveless marriges that are solely meant to further the power their families. This applies to non-tevene nobles as well, just without a the mage breeding program bit. The fact that Dorian is gay doesn't make a difference in this regard. 

 

My issue was with the part where the problem is presented as being focused on his sexuality, whereas that is just one of that many causes of the fraction between him and his parents. Had they managed to "cure" him using blood magic, he still would've rebelled against them because - as many of you said - he is an idealist that goes against all things that ruin his homeland.

 

We learn nothing of the fathers motivations. Maybe he is just a total homophobe? Maybe he just really is a stage-dad that wanted to groom the perfect archon. The fact that this family argument culminates in Dorian "shaming" his father by announcing his homosexuality to the Inquisitor - which he made no effort to hide previously - just makes this entire subplot seem very shallow, and pandering to real-life audiences struggling with similar such issues. 

 

SO JUST TO BE CLEAR I have no problem with the plot itself, but rahter it's execution and context.

[Wanderlust14]

I hope all those bugs were not created on purpose to keep the homophobics away from Dorian (remembering the accusations about Anders in DAII).

 

I don't think so, especially since I've hadn't had any bugs when it comes to Dorian. I think there are just a lot of bugs. I know I've had issues with the rift mage (I am short one venatori tome because of that stupid bug) and cut scenes (seeing everyone standing like t's while sound goes on in the back ground was amusing the first time, but that is it),

[Dutchess]

Not all the countries in Thedas view homosexuality equally. From the codex, in Tevinter it was mostly only acceptable with a slave. If my only option was to be in a loveless marriage with some woman and to essentially be raping some slave, I would do the same thing as Dorian. There is no point in making yourself miserable just to please someone else. And his father did attempt to lobotomize him. I think that gives Dorian a good reason to be upset.

 

 

It's not a big deal with favored slaves as we know, and even encouraged, but not among nobles. I take it Dorian wanted a legitimate relationship, not a shameful shagging with male slaves behind the curtains of the villa.

 

That a quickie with a slave is the most acceptable option in Tevinter doesn't mean it's the only one. Especially once Dorian and his wife had produced the necessary heir with magical abilities I see no real reason why either of them can't keep a lover on the side. It might be reason for gossip and be considered scandalous, but I doubt it would cost Dorian his position in the Senate. Maybe it would prevent him from becoming Archon and wielding ultimate power, but beyond that his lineage is probably enough to secure his position. Dorian's position would have been no worse or better than king Alistair with mistress Warden, yet for female Wardens this was apparently a perfectly acceptable outcome and for Dorian it is presented as the main reason we should feel sorry for him.

Don't get me wrong, being forced into a loveless marriage sucks and it is perfectly understandable he is upset about that, but to have the plot of a potential Tevinter magister revolve around that is disappointing for me. There were so many possibilities to explore with such a character, and yet it goes down the beaten path of one's sexuality not being accepted by the parents. A regular noble could have filled this story line just as well. That Dorian's father tried to use blood magic to set him straight is the only thing that relates to them being Tevinter, and while sad it doesn't add that much to the overall drama of the situation.

[Vita Brevis]

 Especially once Dorian and his wife had produced the necessary heir with magical abilities I see no real reason why either of them can't keep a lover on the side.

Not to mention of course that he loats the very idea.

Also, not everyone is so pathetic that they want to have / or be someone's mistress. I'd personally spat on the person who would propose such a thing to me. You chose your duty or family heritage or whatever? Well, face the consequences.

[Wanderlust14]

That a quickie with a slave is the most acceptable option in Tevinter doesn't mean it's the only one. Especially once Dorian and his wife had produced the necessary heir with magical abilities I see no real reason why either of them can't keep a lover on the side. It might be reason for gossip and be considered scandalous, but I doubt it would cost Dorian his position in the Senate. Maybe it would prevent him from becoming Archon and wielding ultimate power, but beyond that his lineage is probably enough to secure his position. Dorian's position would have been no worse or better than king Alistair with mistress Warden, yet for female Wardens this was apparently a perfectly acceptable outcome and for Dorian it is presented as the main reason we should feel sorry for him.

 

That is the thing, his father wanted him to become Archon, that was the goal of Dorian's birth. Anything that prevented it had to be change and who knows what else would have been change to make sure he could become Archon, once you go down that road once, what stops you from doing it again until the human that has been messed with is no longer Dorian. I understand that while some people may have preferred them to focus on something else, but what they did focus on was very well down and probably some of the best animation in the game and while you may feel this is over done. It may be an extremely important moment in the game for others for their own personal struggles (just like that article that was posted earlier talked about). 

 

Also, you forget, King Alistair only takes on a mistress if he is hardened. When he isn't, he wouldn't do that to her. 

[Soulscythe81]

I have a question, regarding Dorian's romance arc:

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Has anyone actually selected the other option, instead of the sex scene, when he meets you in your quarters? Will there be another, different/better followup scene later on, or will you just miss out on the sex scene and everything else stays the same? I'm really tempted to try that out, because that's what I initially wanted to do, after seeing the answers you can give him.

Are there more "love interactions" later on, or was the meetup in the quarters the final climax and that's it? You can't get him to sleep with you again? Please be vague and don't spoil too much on that second part though.

Thanks!

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I have a question, regarding Dorian's romance arc:

Spoiler

Has anyone actually selected the other option, instead of the sex scene, when he meets you in your quarters? Will there be another, different/better followup scene later on, or will you just miss out on the sex scene and everything else stays the same? I'm really tempted to try that out, because that's what I initially wanted to do, after seeing the answers you can give him.

Are there more "love interactions" later on, or was the meetup in the quarters the final climax and that's it? You can't get him to sleep with you again? Please be vague and don't spoil too much on that second part though.

Thanks!

[Maiafay]

I saved right before the...bang, and tried out various scenes. It's really horrible if you sleep with him and then break up. The music changes also. I felt so bad at one point that I double checked my recent save to make sure we were still together, lol. He did call my inquisitor that nickname, so I'm relieved.

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But I wonder if you choose the option to "slow down"...will there be another scene later on? Or is that it? I do know after a certain mission, you have the chance of losing him to "sudden inspiration". He could even leave the Inquisition to go back to Tevinter. (I think. The vid of this scene never chose that option so I don't know for certain.) But is there anything else romantic wise if you tell him to slow down (which hell no, I didn't choose that, lol. I was like FINALLY we can play!).

Anyone know?

[RobRam10]