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[LilithMB]

Oh so its a bug? Well there ya go then. So about Adoribull.....that pairing squicks me out to no end. Cant put my finger on why exactly? Seems Dorians (to me) just lonely/far away from home and settles for Bulls attention? I like Iron Bull but, just. No. Ive got myself in that situation before and its really not nice. No offence to those who love them together, i wont argue if anyone thinks its sweet, but. Yeah. No. Dorian should not just "settle".... yucky.

Thats just my read on it though. Which is why i found it particularly strange that he'd up and leave quizzy but not Bull. But looks like a bug? Good then. Carry on.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

He seems pretty fine about staying if you convince him in the "emotional blackmail" (holy crap i almost wrote "blackwall") conversation, and in the second version of the ending lines he says he's staying in the South rather than eventually returning home.

 

(Or at least, that version of the ending lines is much more "I'll stay here with you" than the alternative, where he says he's eventually leaving.)

 

I think staying with the Inquisitor more or less permanently is included as an ending in the romance, but it seems to trigger only under pretty strange conditions, rather than as a direct response to the Inquisitor's asking him to stay.

Inquisitor: I'm glad you're here after all that's happened.

Dorian: I fully expected to die, it would have been thematically appropriate. And you! You could have been a martyr! Oh, the songs they would have composed.

Inquisitor: There will still be songs.

Dorian: Yes, but they won't have the same gravitas. We'll have to be satisfied with being alive. And together. I've decided to stay with the Inquisition. For now.

Inquisitor: You will?

Dorian: There's no you in Tevinter.

 

They definitely still left themselves an out for Dorian to be off doing his own thing at some point, although hopefully he and the Inquisitor will still be together even if they're not physically attached at the hip.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Oh so its a bug? Well there ya go then. So about Adoribull.....that pairing squicks me out to no end. Cant put my finger on why exactly? Seems Dorians (to me) just lonely/far away from home and settles for Bulls attention? I like Iron Bull but, just. No. Ive got myself in that situation before and its really not nice. No offence to those who love them together, i wont argue if anyone thinks its sweet, but. Yeah. No. Dorian should not just "settle".... yucky.

Thats just my read on it though. Which is why i found it particularly strange that he'd up and leave quizzy but not Bull. But looks like a bug? Good then. Carry on.

Yeah, I sort of hate it too. Which is a shame since I was very vocal about wanting there to be something between them during pre-release. Although, he's my canon LI, so I might just be getting defensive about it, but I definitely have always got the feeling that Dorian is just in it because he doesn't have another option. And I hate how condescending Bull is to him once they're together. The "stop topping from the bottom" line in the banter infuriated me. They let Bull's taste for bdsm be carte blanche for being an dick sometimes. 

[Vita Brevis]

Heh, I also had a feeling that their interaction is a bit... off, but then I thought that's just me being jelly/overprotective. Maybe it's both.

[Wanderlust14]

Oh so its a bug? Well there ya go then. So about Adoribull.....that pairing squicks me out to no end. Cant put my finger on why exactly? Seems Dorians (to me) just lonely/far away from home and settles for Bulls attention? I like Iron Bull but, just. No. Ive got myself in that situation before and its really not nice. No offence to those who love them together, i wont argue if anyone thinks its sweet, but. Yeah. No. Dorian should not just "settle".... yucky.

Thats just my read on it though. Which is why i found it particularly strange that he'd up and leave quizzy but not Bull. But looks like a bug? Good then. Carry on.

Yeah, there is some disappointed over this pairing, which like (Disgusted Noise), I was actually looking forward to until I got it. I don't know, I think it is something about Bull's romances overall that is disappointing. It is one of those 'I know what you want, so accept it or get out.' that doesn't work for me on any level. Plus, when it comes to Bull and Dorian, it seems Bull, while clearly being into him, is pretty disrespectful ("don't top from the bottom, Dorian”) and just allows the other characters to tease Dorian about it without sticking up for him even though it is pretty obvious he is uncomfortable (particularly with Sera). I don't know, maybe it is just me. 

[Chrys]

I agree with you guys. I wanted them to hook up before the game was out but didn't like how it turned out. I also don't like how the friendship ending (I'm staying because you're my best friend) gets scrapped for the romance ending (I'm staying for Bull) if they hook up, since I love friendship paths and his is a really good one.

[Maiafay]

It seems that Dorian/Bull caters to the "love thy enemy" dynamic, which is okay to me, but I never got the feeling it was more than "fun" for both parties. Dorian seems embarassed half the time, and I do think loneliness is one of the reasons Dorian seeks Bull out in the first place.

I don't ship them really, but that's just because the Inquisitor wants Dorian all to himself.

[Akrim_Drak]

I actually let Dorian go. I felt a bit of a double-edged blade doing it though. I mean in the end it's better for Tevinter but his new ideals would put him way up on the list for assassination so I'm worried that's gonna come back. I don't think Gaider would play the dead gays card though hopefully. Felt like the right thing to do as opposed to a selfish love relationship.

My inquisitor is pining for Hawke and Hawke must be lonely since I got rid of Anders. I dunno why so many don't like Hawke and sadly I don't think they'll be featured much anymore if at all after this game. :/ I just imagine the Thedas power couple that is the Inquisitor and the Champion! Too bad my Warden is dead.

 

I know Tevinter is at war with the Qunari so are there like no Qunari in Tevinter at all? I think sending Bull with Dorian would work for me, if that's at all possible. No reason for Bull to stay with you at the end really. (If you weren't in a relationship with him)

[yawnandshrug]

Was best buds with him in my first playthrough, tbh I was a little let down, for a genius I was expecting him to be witter and well...do a little more. Same with Vivienne and Blackwall really, they don't seem to do very much and fade into the background most of the time.

[Wanderlust14]

So Danaduchy just posted this, apparently, he does have dialogue about staying permanently after the end for those romancing him. Obviously, major spoilers for the end. 

 

Spoiler

[Maiafay]

So Danaduchy just posted this, apparently, he does have dialogue about staying permanently after the end for those romancing him. Obviously, major spoilers for the end. 
 

Spoiler

I haven't watched it...but it seems before the big battle? Or after? It's the library again so I'm not sure. All the other vids I've seen have him in the main hall of Skyhold.

[Akrim_Drak]

I haven't watched it...but it seems before the big battle? Or after? It's the library again so I'm not sure. All the other vids I've seen have him in the main hall of Skyhold.

 

 

It's after the last fight, the only real spoiler in it is the identity of the new Divine.

 

Removing that tidbit what he says is:

 

Dorian: "Staying in the South could prove interesting. One's always warmest next to the fire."

Inquisitor: "That's the only reason you stayed?"

Dorian: "Not the only reason."

 

Then there's another one that's the same one most people have got.

 

Dorian: "It will be difficult returning to Tevinter after all this, leaving you most difficult of all. I'd rather almost let the Imperium rot. Such is my lot. Just a little longer then."

[Fizzie Panda]

DORIANS ROMANCE IS AMAZING.
Holy crap there has never been such a good romance, at last that I'm aware of.
That part when he's like "he's not my friend, he's.." and the Inquisitor's look. The whole time Dorian is scared about corrupting the Inquisitor.
But the part when Dorian meets his father was so explosive...

I want to reload a previous save and do it again.

[LilithMB]

Yeah, I sort of hate it too. Which is a shame since I was very vocal about wanting there to be something between them during pre-release. Although, he's my canon LI, so I might just be getting defensive about it, but I definitely have always got the feeling that Dorian is just in it because he doesn't have another option. And I hate how condescending Bull is to him once they're together. The "stop topping from the bottom" line in the banter infuriated me. They let Bull's taste for bdsm be carte blanche for being an dick sometimes. 

.....  Should be an option for Quizzy to simply pipe up with a "wow...seriously?...douche nozzle" (even if Dorian tells you to back off, but at least you would know he's fine with being talked to like that...in front of everyone..) But thats what im talking about right there... Maybe if said to a different personality it wouldnt seem so bad to me? I probably shouldnt comment on it because i dont fully understand those relationships and im being overprotective. But it still makes my toes want to fall off watching that romance.  If i do another playthrough..HAH...if....me'thinks ill be keeping them apart....or just romance him myself. Again.

[FantiSci]

I can't help but wonder if Dorian's doing his "this relationship is too good to be true, let's poke at it and see if it collapses" thing. He's one of the most besotted companions I've seen in a DA game (and there's some serious competition), and just going by the look he gives your Inquisitor during the victory celebration, I can't see him completely throwing that away even to go on a moral crusade. I can imagine him trying to "push" the Quizzy just to see whether his lover would ever give him up, or whether he's prepared to put up a fight for Dorian. His reasoning for not taking the Inquisitor with him is...shaky, to say the least, so perhaps he's more interested in seeing his response.As a player, the intuitive response would be to go for the "I want what's best for you" option and avoid the emotional blackmail, but Dorian seems pleased if you tell him that you need him by your side. I would have expected him to put up a fight - who wants to put their entire life on hold because their lover's kind of needy? - but it seems he's looking for an excuse to stay.

 

Do you officially break up if you encourage him to go? Or does he just mention heading off to Tevinter more often?

 

He appears to be the inverse of Zevran, who didn't like to be rushed into a relationship and had to be given his freedom if you wanted him to choose to stay. Dorian desperately wants you to commit, and needs reassurance that you want him just as much as he wants you. Either way, I suspect Dorian would maintain the relationship long-term, even if there was a period of separation. Heck, even flirtation-on-two-legs-Zev managed long-distance fidelity (if it weren't for the dratted bug). 

 

BTW - the animation for Dorian is absolutely stellar. His writing is also top notch, but you can learn an awful lot more about him just by watching his face. His dialogue might be glib and sarky, but the animation is telling a completely different story. Someone took a few screen shots just before the fade-to-black of his love scene, and he actually looks scared/nervous...which ties in with what Cole said about his thoughts before deciding to sleep with the Quizzy. I really hope that was a deliberate choice.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I can't help but wonder if Dorian's doing his "this relationship is too good to be true, let's poke at it and see if it collapses" thing. He's one of the most besotted companions I've seen in a DA game (and there's some serious competition), and just going by the look he gives your Inquisitor during the victory celebration, I can't see him completely throwing that away even to go on a moral crusade. I can imagine him trying to "push" the Quizzy just to see whether his lover would ever give him up, or whether he's prepared to put up a fight for Dorian. His reasoning for not taking the Inquisitor with him is...shaky, to say the least, so perhaps he's more interested in seeing his response.As a player, the intuitive response would be to go for the "I want what's best for you" option and avoid the emotional blackmail, but Dorian seems pleased if you tell him that you need him by your side. I would have expected him to put up a fight - who wants to put their entire life on hold because their lover's kind of needy? - but it seems he's looking for an excuse to stay.

 

Do you officially break up if you encourage him to go? Or does he just mention heading off to Tevinter more often?

 

He appears to be the inverse of Zevran, who didn't like to be rushed into a relationship and had to be given his freedom if you wanted him to choose to stay. Dorian desperately wants you to commit, and needs reassurance that you want him just as much as he wants you. Either way, I suspect Dorian would maintain the relationship long-term, even if there was a period of separation. Heck, even flirtation-on-two-legs-Zev managed long-distance fidelity (if it weren't for the dratted bug). 

 

BTW - the animation for Dorian is absolutely stellar. His writing is also top notch, but you can learn an awful lot more about him just by watching his face. His dialogue might be glib and sarky, but the animation is telling a completely different story. Someone took a few screen shots just before the fade-to-black of his love scene, and he actually looks scared/nervous...which ties in with what Cole said about his thoughts before deciding to sleep with the Quizzy. I really hope that was a deliberate choice.

That's actually a really brilliant interpretation and is totally fitting of a gay man in his first relationship. (Not that I know by firsthand experience or anything... )

[TheLastArchivist]

OMG

Just watched the disapproval scene where the Inquisitor punches Dorian.

 

How could she???

[Call Me Jord]

OMG

Just watched the disapproval scene where the Inquisitor punches Dorian.

 

How could she???

 

Did it go like this?

 

[myahele]

I wonder if Iron Bull x Dorian pairing came last minute as a result of the forum saying how it'll be funny if Dorian and bull end up together if you don't romance either since they're supposed to be mortal enemies.

 

Still, the romance was better developed than Tali x Garrus which came out of the blue

[TheLastArchivist]

Did it go like this?

 

Oooh, cute kitty.

 

*ahem* Sorry. Had an Anders moment back there.

Back to the issue at hand.

 

Nope. It went something like Mike Tyson punching a 2 yrd old kid.

[Reznore57]

I also really don't like Dorian/Bull , I also hate The Bull romance.

I would say The Iron Bull is probably my least favorite DAI companion , the whole James Bond of Qunari concept went just too far for me.

The dude just knows everything , survived everything , is super open minded about everything , have seen some s** you would never believe , oh and also in bed he knows what people needs and mage burst out in flames in pleasure.

I mean at one point you have to roll your eyes a bit.

 

And I never had any trouble with companions romances before , I thought Fenris and Isabela getting "friendly" was really cool.

Now I don't hate the Iron Bull , I will go hunting dragons with him because well when you hunt dragons my advice just take the Bull and Sera.

 

But really just Iron Bull and Dorian makes my skin crawl.

One night stand for science , ok , but the Bull is too much of an annoying alpha male .

So ew.Ew.Ew.

[d4eaming]

DORIANS ROMANCE IS AMAZING.
Holy crap there has never been such a good romance, at last that I'm aware of.
That part when he's like "he's not my friend, he's.." and the Inquisitor's look. The whole time Dorian is scared about corrupting the Inquisitor.
But the part when Dorian meets his father was so explosive...

I want to reload a previous save and do it again.

 

That's probably one of my favorite scenes. My Inquisitor's "seriously? dude?" look when he said that was totally lols.

 

I can't help but wonder if Dorian's doing his "this relationship is too good to be true, let's poke at it and see if it collapses" thing. He's one of the most besotted companions I've seen in a DA game (and there's some serious competition), and just going by the look he gives your Inquisitor during the victory celebration, I can't see him completely throwing that away even to go on a moral crusade. I can imagine him trying to "push" the Quizzy just to see whether his lover would ever give him up, or whether he's prepared to put up a fight for Dorian. His reasoning for not taking the Inquisitor with him is...shaky, to say the least, so perhaps he's more interested in seeing his response.As a player, the intuitive response would be to go for the "I want what's best for you" option and avoid the emotional blackmail, but Dorian seems pleased if you tell him that you need him by your side. I would have expected him to put up a fight - who wants to put their entire life on hold because their lover's kind of needy? - but it seems he's looking for an excuse to stay.

 

Do you officially break up if you encourage him to go? Or does he just mention heading off to Tevinter more often?

 

He appears to be the inverse of Zevran, who didn't like to be rushed into a relationship and had to be given his freedom if you wanted him to choose to stay. Dorian desperately wants you to commit, and needs reassurance that you want him just as much as he wants you. Either way, I suspect Dorian would maintain the relationship long-term, even if there was a period of separation. Heck, even flirtation-on-two-legs-Zev managed long-distance fidelity (if it weren't for the dratted bug). 

 

BTW - the animation for Dorian is absolutely stellar. His writing is also top notch, but you can learn an awful lot more about him just by watching his face. His dialogue might be glib and sarky, but the animation is telling a completely different story. Someone took a few screen shots just before the fade-to-black of his love scene, and he actually looks scared/nervous...which ties in with what Cole said about his thoughts before deciding to sleep with the Quizzy. I really hope that was a deliberate choice.

 

That might be the screenshot I posted, and I suppose I could see that, too. He was definitely taken very aback when told the Inquisitor wanted something more than just friends-with-benefits from him. I love the "speechless, I see" comment and Dorian then goes on to say, basically, he's never had a relationship before. This particular Inquisitor I think ended up the same way. He's had some fun, but that's it (he didn't flirt with Dorian before getting that quest for the tav- I wanted to see what would change). In my game, it's like two guys who've fallen for each other but it's all new and shiny. I can just imagine my boy getting excited to go have lunch with Dorian somewhere.

 

..ahem. Haha, that's enough rambling.

[d4eaming]

I also really don't like Dorian/Bull , I also hate The Bull romance.

I would say The Iron Bull is probably my least favorite DAI companion , the whole James Bond of Qunari concept went just too far for me.

The dude just knows everything , survived everything , is super open minded about everything , have seen some s** you would never believe , oh and also in bed he knows what people needs and mage burst out in flames in pleasure.

I mean at one point you have to roll your eyes a bit.

 

And I never had any trouble with companions romances before , I thought Fenris and Isabela getting "friendly" was really cool.

Now I don't hate the Iron Bull , I will go hunting dragons with him because well when you hunt dragons my advice just take the Bull and Sera.

 

But really just Iron Bull and Dorian makes my skin crawl.

One night stand for science , ok , but the Bull is too much of an annoying alpha male .

So ew.Ew.Ew.

 

I see Dorian as a bit of a gentle, passionate type, and find it hard to swallow he'd let a partner just utterly dominate him (he refused to let his father dictate his love life, why the eff does Bull get to be so gross about it?).

[winteriscoming]

I kind of like the idea of Dorian returning to Tevinter because the thought of these two powerful men changing the world in exceptional ways while remaining devoted to each other despite the distance and hardship....that just screams committed LOVE love. The kind that can survive anything and is all the stronger for all their struggles.

And the idea of them writing letters communicating their individual fights at the moment and expressing how much they love and miss each other. Just...my insides go squish. I don't think they will never see each other again or even end their relationship. I believe, in my own head canon of course, that they do eventually return to each other's side. Maybe not right away and under who knows what kind of circumstance, but they will never be parted for too long.

But I also like that analysis of his wanting the inquisitor to express his desire for him to stay. I can see it either way really which is enjoyable as it allows everyone to see the romance in a different way.

[d4eaming]

I kind of like the idea of Dorian returning to Tevinter because the thought of these two powerful men changing the world in exceptional ways while remaining devoted to each other despite the distance and hardship....that just screams committed LOVE love. The kind that can survive anything and is all the stronger for all their struggles.

And the idea of them writing letters communicating their individual fights at the moment and expressing how much they love and miss each other. Just...my insides go squish. I don't think they will never see each other again or even end their relationship. I believe, in my own head canon of course, that they do eventually return to each other's side. Maybe not right away and under who knows what kind of circumstance, but they will never be parted for too long.

But I also like that analysis of his wanting the inquisitor to express his desire for him to stay. I can see it either way really which is enjoyable as it allows everyone to see the romance in a different way.

 

I was thinking (and I haven't finished the game, but I've already gotten spoiled on everything so what the hell) my boy offering to go with him would be a nice option. But then there would be some discussion about it not being safe (seeing as he's a non-mage elf, and a very pretty one at that). But what about a mage Dalish? Fenris' sister was a mage and was learning under a magister, freed from slavery, so wouldn't a powerful mage, despite being an elf, not have the same concerns that a non-magical elf would have?

 

Or he could offer to pretend to be Dorian's "servant" but I see Dorian as being too prideful and in love to let him do that XD