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[ElitePinecone]

Personally I don't want to stop him from what he always was set out to do, it feels wrong, but he just ain't ****** allowed to do it alone damnit! Quizzy be sneaking around in Tevinter forcing Sera and Cole with him because they be sneakier and got all the intel, as bad of a choice that may seem. Dorian don't need to know...

 

That does seem to feed right into Dorian's pet hate though, which is being seen to rely too heavily on the Inquisitor. Throughout the whole game he warns us about not giving him any special favours, and personally leading a mission to overthrow Tevinter just because that's what he wants seems like pretty huge favouritism

 

His last conversation says he wants to do it alone, which seems stupidly quixotic, but when have Bioware's romances ever been particularly happy? 

 

(I don't really know how they'd ever show the consequences of that in future games though, especially since Dorian might not even be recruited in some people's playthroughs and in others he might be staying in the South, etc.)

[myahele]

The current devine was Lambert's friend and was a reformist similar to Dorian and Maevaris, but once he was elected to become Devine/Archon HE was the one who changed.

It may be possible that someone is using blood magic to control him or power corrupted him

[Aggie Punbot]

Personally I don't want to stop him from what he always was set out to do, it feels wrong, but he just ain't ****** allowed to do it alone damnit! Quizzy be sneaking around in Tevinter forcing Sera and Cole with him because they be sneakier and got all the intel, as bad of a choice that may seem. Dorian don't need to know...

Dorian's a pretty smart guy; believe me, he'd know.

[Ymirr]

That does seem to feed right into Dorian's pet hate though, which is being seen to rely too heavily on the Inquisitor. Throughout the whole game he warns us about not giving him any special favours, and personally leading a mission to overthrow Tevinter just because that's what he wants seems like pretty huge favouritism

 

His last conversation says he wants to do it alone, which seems stupidly quixotic, but when have Bioware's romances ever been particularly happy? 

 

(I don't really know how they'd ever show the consequences of that in future games though, especially since Dorian might not even be recruited in some people's playthroughs and in others he might be staying in the South, etc.)

Not to overthrow, just to keep him alive to do it on his own.

[ElitePinecone]

The current devine was Lambert's friend and was a reformist similar to Dorian and Maevaris, but once he was elected to become Devine/Archon HE was the one who changed.

It may be possible that someone is using blood magic to control him or power corrupted him

 

Wasn't it pretty obvious that Lambert used that example as a symbol of how institutions in Teivinter can corrupt even well-intentioned people? That was why he left, after all.

 

(The same thing could well happen to Dorian, if he were ever in a position of power.)

 

I don't think we were supposed to read anything more into it, certainly not blood magic... but who knows. I prefer the explanation based on human nature, not "oh whoops blood magic again, everyone's crazy"

[Ymirr]

Dorian's a pretty smart guy; believe me, he'd know.

Well..

Spoiler

If you don't tell him about the letter, and even if you do he doesn't know his father is there.

So he ain't all knowing. (it could totally work!) >8[

[Hazegurl]

Personally I don't want to stop him from what he always was set out to do, it feels wrong, but he just ain't ****** allowed to do it alone damnit! Quizzy be sneaking around in Tevinter forcing Sera and Cole with him because they be sneakier and got all the intel, as bad of a choice that may seem. Dorian don't need to know...

I totally would do the same. I would have a spy network deep in Tevinter when Dorian returns.

[Call Me Jord]

Dorian talking about how Mage's study and learn at Academy like buildings as opposed to us with our "Mage prisons" always lightens me up. 

 

It gets to the point where the next Dragon Age adventure we have, I might actually roll a Mage for the first time if we're in Tevinter. Mage Academies + Bioware's art team = euphoric feeling = profit.

 

Of course, thats all hypothetical. But if it was to happen, I'd expect Dorian to be the leader at said Academy our Mage character's attend.

[myahele]

It's possible that he can still become a magister once his father retires/dies. His father at least tries to reconcile with him and is regretful of what happened

[Ymirr]

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It gets to the point where the next Dragon Age adventure we have, I might actually roll a Mage for the first time if we're in Tevinter. Mage Academies + Bioware's art team = euphoric feeling = profit.

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Every conceptart I've seen related to Tevinter has had me drooling, I.Really.Want.To.Go.There...
_{And get the multiplayer armors onto singleplayer just to use Tevinter getup.}

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Considering Dorian absolutely refuses to play Tevinter's version of the Game, I don't ever see him being elected Archon or Black Divine unless Bioware just crams him into one of the positions regardless of reason. However, I guess he could become a standard magister since the position seems to be inherited rather than chosen.

 

I'm also not a big fan of him rushing back to Tevinter. It's less that I want him and the Inquisitor to be stuck together at the hip for the rest of their lives and more that I'd worry about his safety. I love that he's so idealistic and altruistic. The fact that he wants to change things purely because it's the right thing to do is one of the things that endears him to me the most, but I almost wish he didn't care about Tevinter because it's not worth dying over.

 

So, I do agree that at the very least I need to come with him. He can take the lead and I'll watch his back and put arrows through anyone who comes after him.

[Call Me Jord]

Every conceptart I've seen related to Tevinter has had me drooling, I.Really.Want.To.Go.There...
_{And get the multiplayer armors onto singleplayer just to use Tevinter getup.}

 

Are these concept arts in the Art of Inquisition by any chance? if they are I'll have to look at them.

 

And then buy a scanner to scan them onto my computer to use as a desktop background

 

Apologies for the off-topic question to all you Dorian enthusiasts. I'll get back on track once this has been answered!

[Ymirr]

Are these concept arts in the Art of Inquisition by any chance? if they are I'll have to look at them.

 

And then buy a scanner to scan them onto my computer to use as a desktop background

 

Apologies for the off-topic question to all you Dorian enthusiasts. I'll get back on track once this has been answered!

I don't know to be honest, but I would think so seeing as most of it is in the game.

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[5ubzer0]

I usually don't play male characters, but this time I absolutely had to create a male elf just to romance Dorian. It's so worth it!

[FantiSci]

I think all of the romances have an "out" for the LI, so that the they and the protagonist don't have to appear together in later games. All of the love interests have been separated from the protagonist for some length of time. I don't think it's a matter of the storyline as much as it is the devs' convenience - and I don't mean that in a snide way. They have enough to do writing new plots and romances; writing for a relationship which has been on the go for a decade (DA:O) or even several years (DA2) is possibly a demand they'd rather avoid. Heck, you can see how much Morrigan and Leliana have changed in the relationship, even without their Warden around - Morrigan and the Warden now appear to be a happy couple with a family (nobody tell Morrigan I said that). Even a few scenes of them together would take up resources and risk stealing the spotlight from the newbies. Plus, there's the headache of protagonist customisation.

 

Spoiler

To recap: The Warden was separated from Morrigan up until Witch Hunt (assuming he reunited with her and didn't stabby-death her), and they're separated again in DAI, although she clearly has every intention of reuniting her family in the near future. Alistair remains with his lover throughout DAII, leaving only for a short jaunt to Kirkwall, but he's lost track of her by DAI (moreso if they are king and queen). Leliana has lost the Warden by the end of DAII, but seems to have retrieved them by DAI (although late-game circumstances may complicate things). Zevran had been off killing Crows for some time in DA2, but was keen to go home to his lover, and, indeed, he's the only love interest implied to be at the Warden's side in DAI. All of the DA2 love interests were left behind by Hawke: whether justifiably (Anders), understandably (Merrill), somewhat puzzlingly (Isabela) or bafflingly (Fenris).

 

Given that history, it's entirely likely that Dorian and his Inquisitor will be separated for a spell...but hopefully, that won't mean the end of their relationship.  As I said before, Dorian really can't believe his luck - he's completely smitten. Yet the whole "I'm my own person, not just your other half" is completely understandable and human. Many people really resent having their identity eclipsed by "wife", "husband" or "parent." However, very few of them break up with the people they love just to prove a point. You can be in a relationship and still have a life - it's just that in Thedas, Skype and overnight flights aren't really an option, so separation hits harder.

 

I suspect that if Dorian returns to Tevinter, either Quizzy won't be too far away, or Dorian won't be gone too long. It's possible that Dorian seriously underestimates the corruption that could see him killed, but his boyfriend probably won't. And given that Dorian walked out on his family and nation because they couldn't accept his sexuality, at a time when he was unattached and didn't seriously expect a relationship, would he walk out on a committed partner to take a post like Archon/Black Divine? He even seems to be cooling on the whole idea of his one-man crusade by the end - hence the theory that he's looking for an excuse to stay with you. Although his single goal and defining characteristic has been "I want to reform Tevinter", he might be realising he has other priorities as well and may need to reconsider his strategy.

 

Admittedly, given their history of torturing players who enjoy the romances, the most startling thing Bioware could do would have the protagonist of DA4 walk into a posh house, where Dorian is yelling upstairs to the Inquisitor that they have company and he could at least comb his hair and put on pants this time.

[Gaesesagai]

Dorian wanting to leave for Tevinter kills me. One, how can he just leave my inq?   Two, like many already commented, if he goes there, the most likely outcome is that he'll be killed very fast. He's not used to their Game, having refused to play it, his relationship with his family is rocky at best... he's basically all alone.

All protagonists of DA games start like that though (with 1-2 support characters), so one might argue that he can succeed, but then why does he want to go without the man he loves? Eh... I'm nearing my main pt ending and I'm going to try the "not talk" to him at party thing to see if that earns me the "is that the reason you decided to stay?" (may not be accurate quote) line so I can headcannon he stayed for good 

[Maiafay]

Not sure if this has been asked before, but can you craft or buy that staff Dorian carries in his DAI poster?

[Gaesesagai]

Not sure if this has been asked before, but can you craft or buy that staff Dorian carries in his DAI poster?

 

I've seen (never found) there's a "Dragon Staff Blade"... maybe there's a Dragon Staff too. Never found any though or seen in a cutscene, so it's possible there isn't one in the game.

[Nejeli]

He was talking about the Archon at the party who had to leave because he killed a magister. The Black Divine was another conversation prior to discussing the Archon...I think even on the same dialogue wheel, so the confusion is natural. 

 

In other news, I'm pretty much ignoring every poster on Tumblr that keeps screaming about mods. I'm done. And I'm done with entitlement posts/fics with Hawk or the Inquisitor or whoever confronting Dorian about slavery. I commented on someone's last night saying Dorian was OOC because he never defended himself against Hawk - when even though he might have been wrong, I doubt Dorian would just roll over and take a verbal lashing over something he's been raised with all his life, and doesn't necessarily agree with.

 

Sorry for the vent, but it irked me. If a writer is going to use a story to mistreat a character, at least keep that character in character.

I've been doing the same. I've also been ignoring anyone who tries policing which guy you can ship Dorian with. I've seen people tagging their posts with disclaimers that they don't ship this or that just to avoid getting jumped on; it's getting ridiculous. And those stories are annoying. I've been avoiding any that even hint at that kind of plot, because they 1) all portray Dorian as super pro-slavery and that's not how I see him at all, 2) they ignore that he gets his eyes opened during the game already, and 3) it comes across as a subtle form of bashing because the authors' tend to make Dorian look as bad as possible so they can make Fenris/Hawke/the Inquisitor/whoever-they-like-more look better.

 

And thanks to everyone who answered my question. I think I'll go ahead and side with Templars this run. The approval hit will be helpful, actually. It was so easy for me to get approval with Dorian my first playthrough that I'd already seen pretty much all his non main quest related content before I'd even progress most of the main storyline or even opened up most of the other characters' personal quests. XD

[Friera]

Dorian wanting to leave for Tevinter kills me. One, how can he just leave my inq?   Two, like many already commented, if he goes there, the most likely outcome is that he'll be killed very fast. He's not used to their Game, having refused to play it, his relationship with his family is rocky at best... he's basically all alone.

All protagonists of DA games start like that though (with 1-2 support characters), so one might argue that he can succeed, but then why does he want to go without the man he loves? Eh... I'm nearing my main pt ending and I'm going to try the "not talk" to him at party thing to see if that earns me the "is that the reason you decided to stay?" (may not be accurate quote) line so I can headcannon he stayed for good 

 

Massive ending spoiler:

 

Spoiler

For my understanding of the ending, Dorian does not seem to want to leave. he does say leaving the Inq will be impossible. So in my fairytalehead they live happily ever after. At least thats my interpetation.

 

and the romance ending when they where staring out from the balcony. Beautiful...

 

 

I really hope DA4 will be about elven rebellion in Tevinter. And they will bring Dorian and Fenris back.

[Gaesesagai]

The "pro-slavery" nonsense smacks of veiled homophobia to me. I mean really, the one tiny detail gets blown out of proportions, to attack the gay guy (I'm sure most will deny this while convincingly outraged, but it's so damn similar to the oh so familiar "we're trying to protect the children, we're not homophobic" argument/mentality, that I cannot be anything other than suspicious).

 

From my dialogue with him, I got this:

 

1. While in Tevinter, where slavery is the status quo, and being raised in a powerful, upper class, family, he failed to really notice slavery as being something horrible. The why for this is so ridiculously obvious it's not even worth mentioning, but let's anyway, because reasons. He didn't understand what slavery is, on a profound level, and how wrong it is, because he was a child. His parents raised him to believe it's normal, and like any child, he believed* his parents (though even phrasing it like that, it's less then it actually is). Also his struggle with being gay and not accepted would have made other issues even harder to deal with.

 

2. After he left Tevinter and saw how things are done in the south, he is willing to have a change of heart. He still has remnants of the old ideas from back home (the comparisson between slaves and people in alienages), thus clearly he still hasn't grasped the concept, but, and this is actually the important bit, unlike IB (and his idiotic argument he presents to Solas), he's clearly ready to learn and willing to change his opinion.

 

Anyway, more things can be said, but I'm not going to bother posting in places where the haters are a majority (like tumblr or other blogs/sites mentioned by various posters here), because it's really not worth the effort.

[Alejandrawrr]

Played my first pt as a human femquisitor mage who was his BFF, now playing as elven male rogue who is romancing him   Dorian is perf, I literally love this character in too many ways to count   

Just got his dialogue after Here Lies the Abyss, just...   The companions are so well written and three-dimensional in this game, Dorian in particular. I loved the worry masked/manifesting as frustration and anger in that dialogue, it was very realistic. Much like his use of humor to mask his real feelings, or the ways he kinda guards himself, and so on.

As an aside, if my inquisitor turns down sex with Dorian the first time (the "take it slow" option), does it still happen later in the romance? I would have chosen that option, but I prefer to complete the dance @ Wicked Hearts before triggering any sex scenes, it just feels like the right pacing for the romance arcs.

[Wanderlust14]

Played my first pt as a human femquisitor mage who was his BFF, now playing as elven male rogue who is romancing him   Dorian is perf, I literally love this character in too many ways to count   

Just got his dialogue after Here Lies the Abyss, just...   The companions are so well written and three-dimensional in this game, Dorian in particular. I loved the worry masked/manifesting as frustration and anger in that dialogue, it was very realistic. Much like his use of humor to mask his real feelings, or the ways he kinda guards himself, and so on.

As an aside, if my inquisitor turns down sex with Dorian the first time (the "take it slow" option), does it still happen later in the romance? I would have chosen that option, but I prefer to complete the dance @ Wicked Hearts before triggering any sex scenes, it just feels like the right pacing for the romance arcs.

Well, it is sort of mixed,

Spoiler

There is some lightly implied sex later on, but there is not a sex scene. Also, you can hold off triggering the scene for as long as you want (until the end of the game) by not going to your quarters. That is how it is triggered after you complete all of his quests

[FantiSci]

No, I think the "chaste" option was instead of the "sleep with Dorian" option - though I think he still marches you upstairs for what is heavily-implied to be victory sex later on.

 

That said, does anyone else wish there were more "hug" options? They did mention that hugging companions would be a thing, but I've only seen it done once - for a character whose life has been shattered for the umpteenth time. Hugs are not exclusive to life-ruining scenarios!

 

I think Dorian has quite a few moments where kissing doesn't seem quite appropriate, but standing two feet apart from each other at all times looks...odd. Take "Here lies the Abyss" for example - Dorian freaks out about losing you, and you don't get the option for a hug of reassurance? Or pre-final battle (admittedly, DAI has your love interest share the epilogue with you rather than have a desperate final confession)? Am I missing something?

 

Honestly, the first kiss (post Last Resort) always struck me as a better place for a hug than a kiss. The animation stops it feeling creepy in a take-advantage-of-a-vulnerable-moment way - there's a bit of silent sussing out when the Inquisitor steps closer and they both figure out "yup, he's completely okay with kissing me", but the timing's a little off - perhaps it would have been nice to be more supportive than passionate. Or have it start with a hug until Dorian goes in for a kiss with a male Inquisitor. Perhaps that's why so many people prefer the second kiss option - because it's clearly Dorian's call at that point? 

 

In general, it'd be nice to have more chances to comfort or show affection for your companions, even if you weren't romancing them. However, I'm guessing the animation's a bit of a nightmare when two characters embrace, especially with the species height difference. My poor Trevelyan alternates between towering above Dorian and being able to fit under his chin, and I suspect the height difference is also why Dorian's got his head at such a weird angle in the post-sex conversation - it makes him look nervous and coy, but also ensures he's making eye contact with whichever species of Inquisitor he's with.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

I've been doing the same. I've also been ignoring anyone who tries policing which guy you can ship Dorian with. I've seen people tagging their posts with disclaimers that they don't ship this or that just to avoid getting jumped on; it's getting ridiculous. And those stories are annoying. I've been avoiding any that even hint at that kind of plot, because they 1) all portray Dorian as super pro-slavery and that's not how I see him at all, 2) they ignore that he gets his eyes opened during the game already, and 3) it comes across as a subtle form of bashing because the authors' tend to make Dorian look as bad as possible so they can make Fenris/Hawke/the Inquisitor/whoever-they-like-more look better.

 

And thanks to everyone who answered my question. I think I'll go ahead and side with Templars this run. The approval hit will be helpful, actually. It was so easy for me to get approval with Dorian my first playthrough that I'd already seen pretty much all his non main quest related content before I'd even progress most of the main storyline or even opened up most of the other characters' personal quests. XD

People have been doing that? I must be subconsciously avoiding those posts.