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Wanderlust14

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The animation stops it feeling creepy in a take-advantage-of-a-vulnerable-moment way - there's a bit of silent sussing out when the Inquisitor steps closer and they both figure out "yup, he's completely okay with kissing me", but the timing's a little off - perhaps it would have been nice to be more supportive than passionate. Or have it start with a hug until Dorian goes in for a kiss with a male Inquisitor. Perhaps that's why so many people prefer the second kiss option - because it's clearly Dorian's call at that point? 

 

As someone who liked the first kiss scene, I assumed that part of the enjoyment of the second one was a combination of the humor and passion (plus who doesn't like having their love interest kiss them). At the same time, while I agree that a hug in that scene would have been great, I wouldn't have wanted them to take out the kiss since I enjoyed the emotional aspect of it (plus, I found nothing creepy about a kiss at that point)


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Well, if you don't think the kiss is appropriate in that scene, you can simply not do it. It's not required for the romance.


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Well, if you don't think the kiss is appropriate in that scene, you can simply not do it. It's not required for the romance.

 

I did say the animation stops it feeling creepy - it's an extremely well-done scene. The Inquisitor steps closer, Dorian is clearly looking for some kind of cue, finds it, they rest their foreheads together and then they kiss. Without saying a word, they manage to get across that there's no pressure and your Quizzy isn't being overbearing. That's clever - because at that point in the story, Dorian's had a supremely crap day. Sloppy writing might have made it feel like the Inquisitor was pressing the issue at the worst possible time. As it is, Dorian is thoroughly pleased and actually managed to end the whole fiasco on a positive note.

 

Still, it seems a good point to hug him - especially if you're playing a female Inquisitor, who isn't compatible but might still want to offer affection/support other than the standard verbal confirmation. I don't know, maybe Dorian would be averse to that kind of physical contact, but he doesn't seem to be. And, as I noted, there's probably a very good technical reason that the embraces are scarce.


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People have been doing that? I must be subconsciously avoiding those posts.

 

To be fair, it's not on the level of the straight-mod complaints yet, but I've been seeing posts and comments in various places about how Dorin/Iron Bull is gross and abusive and implying - or outright saying - you should feel bad for shipping it, or how Dorian/Cullen is racist (because Cullen is white and Iron Bull is not? I dunno where that comes from, really) and disrespectful because Cullen is straight and Dorian would never. I ship both of those pairs as well as Dorian/Inquisitor, so I don't want to see even a bit of that and block it when I can.


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#15880
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The "pro-slavery" nonsense smacks of veiled homophobia to me. I mean really, the one tiny detail gets blown out of proportions, to attack the gay guy (I'm sure most will deny this while convincingly outraged, but it's so damn similar to the oh so familiar "we're trying to protect the children, we're not homophobic" argument/mentality, that I cannot be anything other than suspicious).

I'm not a "hater," (I like Dorian) but I am a gay guy and I don't think this is a particularly compelling defense of Dorian. His defense of slavery is outrageous and I wouldn't really consider it a "tiny detail." (btw, is it a tiny detail when Morrigan disapproves of CE Wardens not sacrificing their father in a blood magic ritual? perhaps, but I understand holding that against her) Dorian's opinions on slavery are realistic, and I like that he has them, but I don't think they should be minimized.

 

1. While in Tevinter, where slavery is the status quo, and being raised in a powerful, upper class, family, he failed to really notice slavery as being something horrible. The why for this is so ridiculously obvious it's not even worth mentioning, but let's anyway, because reasons. He didn't understand what slavery is, on a profound level, and how wrong it is, because he was a child. His parents raised him to believe it's normal, and like any child, he believed* his parents (though even phrasing it like that, it's less then it actually is). Also his struggle with being gay and not accepted would have made other issues even harder to deal with.

There's a difference between something making sense and being understandable, and being forgivable. Everyone's a product of their environment and experiences, that's true. I think Dorian's position on slavery is realistic. Corypheus's position that he should be the god-king of all Thedas is also realistic and probably rooted in a similar kind of privileged solipsism. I'm not saying Dorian's as evil as Corypheus; I don't know why I brought that up. There's a darkness within me. But isn't it fair to hold grown-ass adults accountable for their opinions and actions? I'd say it is.

 

And is being a minority really an excuse to be even more self-absorbed and unable to empathize with others? TBH I can't imagine what I'd be like if I were straight - even more a monster for sure, though. My politics now are already bad enough.

 

2. After he left Tevinter and saw how things are done in the south, he is willing to have a change of heart. He still has remnants of the old ideas from back home (the comparisson between slaves and people in alienages), thus clearly he still hasn't grasped the concept, but, and this is actually the important bit, unlike IB (and his idiotic argument he presents to Solas), he's clearly ready to learn and willing to change his opinion.

If you think Bull's argument with Solas is idiotic, (and I agree) have you seen Dorian's spat with the former Tevinter slave in Bull's quest? It's brief, but pretty embarrassing on his part because he's defending the indefensible to someone who actually experienced it. Both Bull and Dorian come to the party with some naive/highly objectionable politics which can change a bit. It's understandable that some people will dislike them for this, though.

 

I do agree that the Qunari are worse than the Imperium, (in many, many ways) but if someone's upbringing is much of a defense for them, then Bull's nonsense is much more forgivable than Dorian's. Because like Dorian says, at least Tevinter allows some measure of freedom of thought.

 

side note:

it comes across as a subtle form of bashing because the authors' tend to make Dorian look as bad as possible so they can make Fenris/Hawke/the Inquisitor/whoever-they-like-more look better.

When it comes to slavery, yes, people have every right to make Fenris look better on the issue than Dorian. He was an actual Tevinter slave!


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#15881
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As a writer, I believe writers should leave their personal bias at the door and write the characters the way they are meant to be written. Those are the best scenes anyway. I can only imagine what it would be like if Dorian met Fenris in game. It would've been glorious.  lol!

 

Dorian being written as OOC just to make another character look good is weak and is pretty much the author being arrogant in not wanting a different opinion to sour their soapbox.


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#15882
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I don't spend time on tumblr or read fanfiction, so I guess I can't really say I know what these OOC Dorian/Fenris fights about slavery look like. I find it hard to imagine one written in-character that has Dorian coming out looking better. I mean, maybe "better" in the sense that he's a more entertaining character, I guess.



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So I have trouble deciding whom Dorian will end up with when I am done with my playthroughs... 
 
A. Qunari mage, KE. Might be a bit awkward seeing as Dorian, our Necromancer, fears the enemies away and the Inquisitor awkwardly slashes after it. Dorian's family does not fancy him. They will need to adopt; Inquisitor suggested Blood magic to make Dorian pregnant, but Dorian threw a fit about how he tried to change him. Extra points for diversity.

Spoiler

 

B. Human warrior, Champion. Giselle will not marry them. Need a surrogate, which costs a lot. They enjoy complaining about how hard their privileged childhoods have been

Spoiler
 



#15884
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To be fair Dorian does say that he never thought of slavery until going to the south. But still it was surprising that he was more or less for slavery. It was a nice and glaring flaw of his character and made him a less cliché reformer type character. He has room for growth

I'm sure his views have changed. When Cole mind read him he asked "what's a slave" to which Dorian was distressed and asked to not asked
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#15885
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*snip*

 

I got the impression whenever he was arguing against comments made towards Tevinter, it's because only he's allowed to say **** about his homeland. 
Though, he might see his retorts as reasonable still.



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B. Human warrior, Champion. Giselle will not marry them. Need a surrogate, which costs a lot.

You're both nobility and one of you is in control of an incredibly powerful paramilitary organization.

 

You have resources.

 

But follow ur heart~



#15887
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 But still it was surprising that he was more or less for slavery

Why? Mae didn't seems to have a problem with it either.

Only slaves have an issue with that, and there's no surprise.  :rolleyes:

 

Idk, I don't even see it as a flaw. It's nothing since he doesn't even own any... and so on. The devs probably tried to make him less perfect here, but faaailed.  :lol: He's still - 

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#15888
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Speaking of Mae, I am does Varric and Dorian have a banter regarding Mae. She is a mutual friend of theirs and even is involved with a few war table missions

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To be fair, it's not on the level of the straight-mod complaints yet, but I've been seeing posts and comments in various places about how Dorin/Iron Bull is gross and abusive and implying - or outright saying - you should feel bad for shipping it, or how Dorian/Cullen is racist (because Cullen is white and Iron Bull is not? I dunno where that comes from, really) and disrespectful because Cullen is straight and Dorian would never. I ship both of those pairs as well as Dorian/Inquisitor, so I don't want to see even a bit of that and block it when I can.

Dorian and Cullen is...racist? WTF? I don't get that. And Cullen may have his preferences, but you never know what could happen with the right person *wink*. I don't mind Dorian/Bull...I would like to explore that in a story, but eh, what I have in mind isn't exactly favorable toward it. I have a plot bunny bouncing around, but I'm not sure if I want to start another story I'll probably never finish. Fluff isn't my thing, and my plots tend to be epic in scope. That being said, what I have in mind hasn't been done yet. It's tempting.



#15890
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guys, query. 

 

You can ask Dorian to hang out with you if you are in a relationship, but it just fades to black and comes back up after he says something amusing. Do you think that there was supposed to be a cutscene? I didn't see anything similar with anyone else save for Sera (i.e. hanging out) and I was hoping that it was a bug. Why would it be in there? I AM CONFUSED



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guys, query. 

 

You can ask Dorian to hang out with you if you are in a relationship, but it just fades to black and comes back up after he says something amusing. Do you think that there was supposed to be a cutscene? I didn't see anything similar with anyone else save for Sera (i.e. hanging out) and I was hoping that it was a bug. Why would it be in there? I AM CONFUSED

It would be great if there was a cutscene after this, maybe see Dorian and the Inquis at the tavern, but no. There is nothing and I'm 99% certain it's not a bug. Essentially, it's just supposed to be something you're supposed to imagine, like walking around the grounds talking, etc.


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#15892
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That happens to me too. I guess it was intentional

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LAME.

 

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Was hoping for a scene similar to Sera's. It's not like any of the other companions have it.


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#15894
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It would be great if there was a cutscene after this, maybe see Dorian and the Inquis at the tavern, but no. There is nothing and I'm 99% certain it's not a bug. Essentially, it's just supposed to be something you're supposed to imagine, like walking around the grounds talking, etc.

Well, crap. I had thought it was a bug. That's really stupid. I almost wish they hadn't given the option at all, if there wasn't gonna be anything meaningful with that conversation option.


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#15895
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It's just a funny one-liner from Dorian and then a fade-to-black to indicate you go on some wacky adventure.

 

Sera's friendly roof-time does the same thing, it endlessly repeats the same shot of them on the roof with occasionally a different voiceover.


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#15896
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I miss being able to kiss anywhere and everywhere and anytime with my LI
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Well, crap. I had thought it was a bug. That's really stupid. I almost wish they hadn't given the option at all, if there wasn't gonna be anything meaningful with that conversation option.

I think it's a rather questionable design decision, that one character gets a cutscene and another one doesn't. I know, the Sera roof scene has been established during an earlier conversation, so it makes more sense for having an actual cutscene play later on, but it would have been neat to have one for Dorian as well.

 

It's almost like different people were responsible for the different dialogues/cutscenes. For example, you can pick a particular companion, when you ask Sera and Josephine what they think about them. However, if you ask Blackwall or Vivienne the same thing, you will just get a response for a randomly chosen companion, so you have to stand there like an idiot and ask them 20 or more times, until they say their line for the companion you'd like to hear about. Blackwall's diamondback comment about Solas even exits the conversation and you have to initiate it again? Boggles my mind...



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I want to romance Dorian and I need some help! I sided with Templars so just recently got him & chatted him up. Is there a fast way to get approval with him so I can trigger his companion quest? The least I can do is hunt the venatori with him but I don't want to run around for another 100 hours, I want to get down to business!

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It's almost like different people were responsible for the different dialogues/cutscenes. For example, you can pick a particular companion, when you ask Sera and Josephine what they think about them. However, if you ask Blackwall or Vivienne the same thing, you will just get a response for a randomly chosen companion, so you have to stand there like an idiot and ask them 20 or more times, until they say their line for the companion you'd like to hear about. Blackwall's diamondback comment about Solas even exits the conversation and you have to initiate it again? Boggles my mind...

 

Presumably each writer had some influence over their own character's word budget and how it was allocated.

 

Not that unreasonable, surely.