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Someone got someone 10 silk scarves.
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Posted seeing some people wished for some DorianXQuizzy
That is awesome, I am so happy someone finally drew that scene (and especially Ymirr)
I never actually tried any of other answers at the end of this scene other than the romantic ones, but the joking one is definitely the sweetest or saddest out of the lot (or I could be just reading too much into the end of their exchange which is in the spoiler cut below).
Yeah...knowing that Trevalyans are very distantly related to the Pavus is very uncomfortable to me. Even when he said "we're still good to go" in regards to having a relationship.
We're talking several hundreds of years. If you're willing to go that far back, you could find a common ancestor between almost any two non first generation Americans, frankly.
Dorian bust (only difuse and head ,without eye ,hair and moustache)
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Dorian bust (only difuse and head ,without eye ,hair and moustache)
Well...that was slightly disturbing, but are we sure that is real, it doesn't look right.
maybe this look better now ,except the eye ,is less creepy without.
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@without the mustache he looks totally different =o
That is creepy. He looks better with his mustache.
yeah ,the mustache is quite elegant..I just could not contain my curiosity to know what was behind
@the face model with only diffuse seems much more interesting ,but the eye and hair...
Putting a ton of people on Tumblr on ignore lately. It's a shame the Dorian tag keeps spewing so much stupid.
Putting a ton of people on Tumblr on ignore lately. It's a shame the Dorian tag keeps spewing so much stupid.
There's literally a Tumblr post up at the moment about people complaining about some of us in this thread criticizing "Adoribull" and wanting to know what our problem with it is.
So, here you go, Tumblr-er. I've quoted what I already wrote about my problems with it.
If you don't use Bull and Dorian in the same party, they won't be able to banter enough for the relationship to activate. So, you can avoid it while still recruiting Bull. Which is preferable to me because I do like Bull as long as I'm not subjected to his versions of sex and romance either personally or as a bystander.
For the record, I have no problem with BDSM in general because it's not really my business what consenting adults do with each other. My problem is with Bull's version of it, which I have more insight to than I would if I knew him in real life. Just the implementation of it in the first encounter with Inquisitor made my skin crawl. Holding someone's arms above their head (which is a pretty vanilla act to begin with) and asking "Are you sure?" three times while not elaborating on what they should be sure about, does not constitute consent. You can't consent to something you're not aware of. I know they originally had to change someone's romance because someone else objected to it as rape, and all things considered it was obviously Bull's, so if this is what they consider appropriate, I shudder to think of what it was to begin with.
My problem with Bull is that he doesn't respect his partners, which, from my understanding, is a crucial part of a healthy BDSM relationship. Yes, I know he says he does. He talks a great game. Yet as soon as the Inquisitor or Dorian objects to him, he shuts them down with belittling and manipulative remarks. In Dorian's case he is blatantly uncomfortable with what's going on, yet Bull just bottom-shames (which despite being a "top" in real life is one of my biggest grievances with gay relationships/interactions/"culture") him publicly and tells him to get over it. Everything is great with the Inquisitor as long as you're happy to go along with it, but if you express doubt about it, he whips out some of the most manipulative and abusive language I've ever seen. "I know what you need." "It would be disrespectful to you to give you what you say you want." Screw that guy. You don't know what I need, Bull. You know what you need, and you'll say whatever you need to in order to try and get me to let you have it.
That's not love, that's abuse.
And this is why I just stay away. Oh well, if they have a problem with our perfectly valid concerns about that relationship, they can make their threads/discussion groups/etc about their pairing and why they like it. I don't really feel the need to go into it again since we have discussed it and our problems with it a number of times and have gone into great detail explaining our concerns. (Though I am curious about what they said)
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Ugh, I got curious and went to Tumblr and looked at the "Adoribull" tag.
IMO, I don't like IB's romances cause they're just as repulsive as he is. I don't hate him though, he just ain't my cup of tea and it sounds like Dorian only sleeps with IB because he's desperate. He clearly doesn't sound happy.
Ugh, I got curious and went to Tumblr and looked at the "Adoribull" tag.
IMO, I don't like IB's romances cause they're just as repulsive as he is. I don't hate him though, he just ain't my cup of tea and it sounds like Dorian only sleeps with IB because he's desperate. He clearly doesn't sound happy.
I think that is a lot of people's issue with it. He doesn't seem happy. There is that old writer's advice of 'show don't tell' and I think that is one of the biggest issues with the romance, they tell you that Bull and Dorian are happy, but they only show Dorian unhappy and embarrassed (unless he is talking to the Inquisitor). It is not a convincing romance to me. It isn't like Tali and Garrus or even Ashley and James, you see the fondness in their interactions, you don't need them to tell you they are happy and interested while doing a pretty convincing job of disproving that statement (even when they use Cole to prove that everyone is happy in the relationship, I don't buy it). Plus, Bioware did an awful job with the BDS&M aspect of Bull. They made him unaware, controlling, and a jerk and those are all AWFUL things for the top to be in such a relationship. It felt very 50 Shades of Grey and while I get that 50 Shades was popular (how people made it past the 1st chapter, I don't know), but it wasn't a good relationship and people in the S&M community keep trying to tell people that.
God damn it, I wasn't going to get into this again and here I am, getting into this topic again...*sigh* Happy mysterious lurker, that is my reasoning for not liking Adoribull.
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Oh that's adorable, it looks like they quoted my post from here, it's nearly word for word at least.
Hi tumblr. Iron Bull is gross and abusive in my opinion. Yep, it's true. Sorry you don't like it. No one is stopping you from liking it or engaging in it in your game or having them in your party long enough that they hook up. But some of us don't like it, find it abusive for reasons already stated numerous times. Sorry you're too scared to actually come here and have a discussion, but that really isn't my problem. I don't like what Bull offers in real life, and I don't like it in my video games (or books or movies)- ergo, I don't want to see it, either first hand or through my companions.
For the record, I never liked Fenris and Isabella either. If I romanced Anders (it happened a few times, but it was damn hard to not grab the elf) then I either got rid of her, or didn't have her in my party. She was a nice enough character, I find her pretty funny, just the same as Iron Bull, but I wasn't interested in hearing about her relationships, either.
I think that is a lot of people's issue with it. He doesn't seem happy. There is that old writer's advice of 'show don't tell' and I think that is one of the biggest issues with the romance, they tell you that Bull and Dorian are happy, but they only show Dorian unhappy and embarrassed (unless he is talking to the Inquisitor). It is not a convincing romance to me. It isn't like Tali and Garrus or even Ashley and James, you see the fondness in their interactions, you don't need them to tell you they are happy and interested while doing a pretty convincing job of disproving that statement (even when they use Cole to prove that everyone is happy in the relationship, I don't buy it). Plus, Bioware did an awful job with the BDS&M aspect of Bull. They made him unaware, controlling, and a jerk and those are all AWFUL things for the top to be in such a relationship. It felt very 50 Shades of Grey and while I get that 50 Shades was popular (how people made it past the 1st chapter, I don't know), but it wasn't a good relationship and people in the S&M community keep trying to tell people that.
God damn it, I wasn't going to get into this again and here I am, getting into this topic again...*sigh* Happy mysterious lurker, that is my reasoning for not liking Adoribull.
Whoa, I totally forgot about Garrus and Tali! My male Shepard went with Kaidan in ME3, and when I found Garrus and Tali hooking up, that was actually awesome. And then I made a female Shepard to romance Garrus, because the only thing better than my best friend turian is my awesome boyfriend Archangel 
Whoa, I totally forgot about Garrus and Tali! My male Shepard went with Kaidan in ME3, and when I found Garrus and Tali hooking up, that was actually awesome. And then I made a female Shepard to romance Garrus, because the only thing better than my best friend turian is my awesome boyfriend Archangel
They were awesome and it showed a good way to write a companion romance, with actually funny and playful banter rather than borderline shaming one member of the relationship and we know Dorian has no issue in engaging in banter similar to Tali's 'I'm only using you for your body' line when it comes to the Inquisitor (jousting).
I also really liked Kaidan as well such a sweetie
Oh that's adorable, it looks like they quoted my post from here, it's nearly word for word at least.
Hi tumblr. Iron Bull is gross and abusive in my opinion. Yep, it's true. Sorry you don't like it. No one is stopping you from liking it or engaging in it in your game or having them in your party long enough that they hook up. But some of us don't like it, find it abusive for reasons already stated numerous times. Sorry you're too scared to actually come here and have a discussion, but that really isn't my problem. I don't like what Bull offers in real life, and I don't like it in my video games (or books or movies)- ergo, I don't want to see it, either first hand or through my companions.
For the record, I never liked Fenris and Isabella either. If I romanced Anders (it happened a few times, but it was damn hard to not grab the elf) then I either got rid of her, or didn't have her in my party. She was a nice enough character, I find her pretty funny, just the same as Iron Bull, but I wasn't interested in hearing about her relationships, either.
I never got the Fenris/Isabela dialogue because Hawke almost always slept with both of them before committing to Anders (who was my canon LI for the game, even if he's not on the Dorian/Kaidan level). Hawke was definitely an unapologetic man-****. If I was a Fenris-mancer, I doubt I would have minded very much. From what I heard, it was definitely a complete fling. I could never bench her though, she's by far my favorite DA2 companion.
Ugh, I got curious and went to Tumblr and looked at the "Adoribull" tag.
IMO, I don't like IB's romances cause they're just as repulsive as he is. I don't hate him though, he just ain't my cup of tea and it sounds like Dorian only sleeps with IB because he's desperate. He clearly doesn't sound happy.
Yep, that's my interpretation of his motivation as well. Anyone who's romanced Dorian knows he's absolutely desperate for any sort of romantic affection to the point that I don't find it at all implausible that he'd be willing to look for it in someone that he's not particularly enamored with and with someone who doesn't actually make him happy (or respect him). He'd still feel it's better than a quick fumble with no attachment, which is the only thing he's ever experience before.
They were awesome and it showed a good way to write a companion romance, with actually funny and playful banter rather than borderline shaming one member of the relationship and we know Dorian has no issue in engaging in banter similar to Tali's 'I'm only using you for your body' line when it comes to the Inquisitor (jousting).
I also really liked Kaidan as well
I was super disappointed when I learned he was supposed to be a bi romance option but was cut from the first game. I prefer playing men in my games, and prefer m/m romances. I went with Liara in ME1 just because Kaidan wasn't an option and Ashley was not appealing to me at all (she and my Shepard did not get along at all, he pissed her off right from the first conversation I think XD). I didn't find Liara satisfying at all, and I agree with the many people who said she was more "blue space babe". Yeah people argued that since she's an alien and they technically are monogendered, she wasn't a "lesbian romance" and therefore not having a gay romance wasn't an imbalance, but everything about them says female, and it read to me more that way than "mongendered non-female feminine romance option." I get what they wanted to do with the asari, but she was way more female than I liked. An actual androgynous character would have suited my tastes a 1000% better than Liara. She's a nice character, but... not for me.
ME2 gave me a strong feeling of tension between my male Shepard and Kaidan when they briefly met. I don't know if it was intentional, but it just felt to me more than two platonic friends divided by ideals and circumstance. There was static there, just something I can't really nail down. I romanced Tali, and she is awesome, but again it just didn't feel right or suit me well at all. Along came ME3 and finally Kaidan was accessable. I liked the explanation of "we worked together/I was too nervous/did you ever notice I never dated any women?" It felt organic enough that his batting for the other team did not bother me at all, and they finally hooked up. I really enjoyed his romance and I have no bloody idea why some people hate Kaidan so bad. I just don't get it. He was fine to me, sweet, and adorable.
And now my Shepard is that poor "in the closet" boy testing the waters to decide what he really liked. Alien mono-gendered feminine blue space babe? Nah. Alien cute and adorable and totally awesome "must be on my team at all times" quarian who is definitely female? Nope... still didn't feel right. Adorkable co-worker who hid his feelings for two games before finally admitting he totally had the hots for my boy? Bingo.
I was super disappointed when I learned he was supposed to be a bi romance option but was cut from the first game. I prefer playing men in my games, and prefer m/m romances. I went with Liara in ME1 just because Kaidan wasn't an option and Ashley was not appealing to me at all (she and my Shepard did not get along at all, he pissed her off right from the first conversation I think XD). I didn't find Liara satisfying at all, and I agree with the many people who said she was more "blue space babe". Yeah people argued that since she's an alien and they technically are monogendered, she wasn't a "lesbian romance" and therefore not having a gay romance wasn't an imbalance, but everything about them says female, and it read to me more that way than "mongendered non-female feminine romance option." I get what they wanted to do with the asari, but she was way more female than I liked. An actual androgynous character would have suited my tastes a 1000% better than Liara. She's a nice character, but... not for me.
ME2 gave me a strong feeling of tension between my male Shepard and Kaidan when they briefly met. I don't know if it was intentional, but it just felt to me more than two platonic friends divided by ideals and circumstance. There was static there, just something I can't really nail down. I romanced Tali, and she is awesome, but again it just didn't feel right or suit me well at all. Along came ME3 and finally Kaidan was accessable. I liked the explanation of "we worked together/I was too nervous/did you ever notice I never dated any women?" It felt organic enough that his batting for the other team did not bother me at all, and they finally hooked up. I really enjoyed his romance and I have no bloody idea why some people hate Kaidan so bad. I just don't get it. He was fine to me, sweet, and adorable.
And now my Shepard is that poor "in the closet" boy testing the waters to decide what he really liked. Alien mono-gendered feminine blue space babe? Nah. Alien cute and adorable and totally awesome "must be on my team at all times" quarian who is definitely female? Nope... still didn't feel right. Adorkable co-worker who hid his feelings for two games before finally admitting he totally had the hots for me boy? Bingo.
All of the yes, I know the asari are supposed to be monogendered blah blah blah, but lets be real, they totally fill the role of hot alien babe and I have yet to hear an argument to convince me otherwise. Liara was nice, but I didn't adore her romance either.
The funny thing is, I accidentally started romancing Ashley, I didn't even mean to start it. I was talking to her being nice and then all of a sudden, it was let's have some fun and I was like...what? Wait, no...how do I get that not to happen...
But Kaidan's is so sweet. I adored the fact that you could see the slow build from the friendship in one to the angst in two and finally the pay off in three. I could accept the head canon that Kaidan never said anything earlier because of rules and regulations that prevent fraternization and since Shepard never showed interest in men in one, he wasn't going to risk everything by flirting with him. Kaidan is definitely one of my favorite M/M romances that Bioware created (I don't know where he stacks compared to Dorian right now, but both are at the top for me).
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