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[d4eaming]

Maiafay, I can't quote on my phone, sorry.

No, I don't rightly care what tumblr thinks. Quoting doesn't mean caring, any more than I might comment on the weather means I care what it's doing. The tone was because you are putting an awful lot of caring into what anonymous people think of a fictional romance option and assuming we care that you like it. We don't. I don't know you, and I don't care what you like. You like Bull's romance. Good for you. That's not meant to be dismissal, I just honestly don't care. I also don't care for Sera, but that's no value judgement on the people who like her.

Anyway, I do apologize for upsetting you. But seriously, this is me not caring. Like what you like and own it. Stop caring what we think.

Anyhoo.

[Wanderlust14]

Anyhoo...since I can't post pictures from my phone, anyone else have some random head canon for Dorian, their inquisitors or both?

[Dr. Doctor]

Yeah, I see him secretly spending a while on his personal grooming, only he doesn't see that way, only a necessary part of mornings.

I want to know how that mustache stays curled in the rain/snow/dragon fire. Magic wax?

[droitdivin]

Why exactly is the IB/Dorian relation abusive? 

 

Just curious btw, not trying to incite a riot or so.

[Wanderlust14]

I want to know how that mustache stays curled in the rain/snow/dragon fire. Magic wax?

 

 

 

 

[FantiSci]

Why exactly is the IB/Dorian relation abusive? 

 

Just curious btw, not trying to incite a riot or so.

 

VERY quick, abridged version (just flick back a couple of pages if you want the long-winded version)...

 

Arguments that the relationship is dubious or ill-advised: Bull talks to the other companions over Dorian's obvious discomfort, Bull telling Dorian not to "top from the bottom" when Varric is discussing their relationship, Sera's comments suggest that the physical side of the relationship is outside Dorian's comfort zone, the fact that other companions talk about the relationship to Bull while completely ignoring Dorian's protests (as if they don't count Dorian as an authority on the subject), Dorian's entire attitude to the relationship being reluctant, rueful or embarrassed (especially as compared to his attitude in a Quizzy romance, where he's happily lovestruck and gladly talks about it himself).

 

Arguments in favour of the relationship: Dorian explicitly says that he's happy in the relationship to Cassandra (albeit in a rather grumpy way), Dorian chooses to stay in the South specifically because of his relationship with Bull, anime fans might cite similar "tsundere"-type characters that resemble Dorian ("I hate you / I love you), Bull speaks very fondly of Dorian if the Quizzy talks to him about it in private, the companions constantly annoy each other anyway and you can annoy Dorian best by ignoring him.

 

I think a lot depends on how lonely you think Dorian is. People who think he's in a pretty good place in terms of self-esteem argue that he wouldn't be browbeaten into a relationship that didn't suit him. But those who think he's rather vulnerable during Inquisition may point out that his loneliness might lead him to make too many compromises.

 

Personally, I tend to be rather protective (read: possessive) of my "canon" romance, so I'm always going to prefer Quizzy/Dorian. I like Bull as a character, but I can't really say his approach to romance appeals. That's only one person's opinion though, and fanfic does like to fill in the blanks or address canonical "problems", so it's safe to say you can probably find more IB/Dorian fanwork - that, and not having to deal with the fact that the Quizzy is a different character for everyone, while IB is always the same!

 

EDIT: Oh, one more thing - there's particular concern for Dorian if Bull becomes more "hardline" in his relationship to the Qun - quite a few people have pointed out that this may not bode well for a Tevinter mage lover. Though whether that happens is really up to the Quizzy.

[Vita Brevis]

so it's safe to say you can probably find more IB/Dorian fanwork

Hmm, I dunno about that.

I mean it's hard to count since we knew for a while about Dorian's romance and people started to create all sorts of fanwork about the Inq and Dorian till the game even came out, lol. There's a decent amount already.

But maybe IB/Dorian will catch up now.

[d4eaming]

So, I think I've broke my brain. I've shipped together my two Dalish elves (hunter/First) and I can't get it out of my head. I've got that little niggle from whoever said that Dorian with an elf might not be totally equal because of the elves status as slaves (more likely thannt) in Tevinter. I don't think Dorian would ever purposefully do it, but it's a legit thought. And on the Solas thread, I lamented the lack of a m/m elf romance option, which originally got me thinking about what my character's would truly prefer (which is, honestly, within their species).

So now I can't unsee/unthink my two elves together and it's making my brain wig out as I'll be romancing both of them to Dorian.

Oh, woe is me. Characters in my head getting together and ruining my OTP.

[perryversus]

So, I think I've broke my brain. I've shipped together my two Dalish elves (hunter/First) and I can't get it out of my head. I've got that little niggle from whoever said that Dorian with an elf might not be totally equal because of the elves status as slaves (more likely thannt) in Tevinter. I don't think Dorian would ever purposefully do it, but it's a legit thought. And on the Solas thread, I lamented the lack of a m/m elf romance option, which originally got me thinking about what my character's would truly prefer (which is, honestly, within their species).

So now I can't unsee/unthink my two elves together and it's making my brain wig out as I'll be romancing both of them to Dorian.

Oh, woe is me. Characters in my head getting together and ruining my OTP.

 

I accidentally started shipping my Lavellanquiz with Anders and I still don't know how I reached that point!!

 

I also ship my male Lavellan with my male Cadash... both of which romanced Dorian, so, I feel you, it's definitely wiggy.

[London]

I like the "everyone is bi" approach to da2 and let people pick whoever they want. Most of the characters don't come across as bi anyway since the narrative focuses on Hawke.

The "he's gay deal with it"'doesn't really sit with me. I mean most of the time we hear "the entire cast just happens to be straight. Deal with it. ". We have a lot more to lose than gain with this attitude.

[d4eaming]

Haha well I do like Anders, but I'd end up shipping to Fenris most likely. I like the broody, deadpan elf. Watching him open up and change over the game makes me feel warm and fuzzy. Especially when offering to teach him to read and having Hawke comment on his improvement when clicking books in the mansion. Fenris would probably roll his eyes out of his head at my Dalish elves being proud, though. He'd give himself a headache every time they opened their mouths.

But man. Those two elves are seriously shippable. Dalish rogue archer as a protective older boyfriend to a young mage still training as First to their clan. Snarky rogue offsetting the much more subdued and serious mage. That dynamic is just too nice to ignore.

Dorian will have to teach my mage how to relax and have fun over the course of the game. I'm planning to get them together after the ball instead of right away as with the rogue. I like that there's more options around starting romances this time, it's easier to pace it to suit different characters than have it all go exactly the same.

[Vita Brevis]

The "he's gay deal with it"'doesn't really sit with me. I mean most of the time we hear "the entire cast just happens to be straight. Deal with it. ". We have a lot more to lose than gain with this attitude. 

Well a little payback is also necessary at times. So those people could understand how it feels.

[perryversus]

Haha well I do like Anders, but I'd end up shipping to Fenris most likely. I like the broody, deadpan elf. Watching him open up and change over the game makes me feel warm and fuzzy. Especially when offering to teach him to read and having Hawke comment on his improvement when clicking books in the mansion. Fenris would probably roll his eyes out of his head at my Dalish elves being proud, though. He'd give himself a headache every time they opened their mouths.

But man. Those two elves are seriously shippable. Dalish rogue archer as a protective older boyfriend to a young mage still training as First to their clan. Snarky rogue offsetting the much more subdued and serious mage. That dynamic is just too nice to ignore.

Dorian will have to teach my mage how to relax and have fun over the course of the game. I'm planning to get them together after the ball instead of right away as with the rogue. I like that there's more options around starting romances this time, it's easier to pace it to suit different characters than have it all go exactly the same.

 

Both my elves are very pro-Mage, so with Fenris it would just devolve into arguing about mage rights and the place of the Dalish in modern Thedas rather than any sort of romance. Plus with all the Cole-and-Solas interaction, Anders-Justice would probably find a sympathetic place in the Inquisition.

 

Dalish elf ship!! That would be a fun dynamic to play around with. Especially under the watchful eye of the Inquisition's inner circle. So many Dalish mating habit joke possibilities to be made.

 

I always end up doing the larger chunk of the romance after the ball, it seems. It works out pretty well, especially with Dorian. Their little flirtation in the garden if you bring Dorian is cute, too, regardless of how far into the romance you are.

[Alejandrawrr]

So, I think I've broke my brain. I've shipped together my two Dalish elves (hunter/First) and I can't get it out of my head. I've got that little niggle from whoever said that Dorian with an elf might not be totally equal because of the elves status as slaves (more likely thannt) in Tevinter. I don't think Dorian would ever purposefully do it, but it's a legit thought. And on the Solas thread, I lamented the lack of a m/m elf romance option, which originally got me thinking about what my character's would truly prefer (which is, honestly, within their species).

So now I can't unsee/unthink my two elves together and it's making my brain wig out as I'll be romancing both of them to Dorian.

Oh, woe is me. Characters in my head getting together and ruining my OTP.

 

I don't think that Dorian/Elf complaint really had to do with a power imbalance or whatever the Elfquisitor's role in Tevinter would be. Regardless of race, class or gender, the Inquisitor was literally the single most important person on the planet at one point (and his/her name likely still has quite a bit of power even without the fade rifts only he/she was able to close). If Quizzy so chose to go to Tevinter, (s)he would easily be treated equivalently to whatever the highest possible class is. Remember, the issue of a power imbalance came up in the Dorian romance, but it was the other way around   
 

I like the "everyone is bi" approach to da2 and let people pick whoever they want. Most of the characters don't come across as bi anyway since the narrative focuses on Hawke.

The "he's gay deal with it"'doesn't really sit with me. I mean most of the time we hear "the entire cast just happens to be straight. Deal with it. ". We have a lot more to lose than gain with this attitude.

 

Eh... I find the "everyone is bi" approach too game-y, and kind of a crutch to avoid creating a solid cast of realistic characters. It just really tests my 'willing suspension of disbelief' to find 4(DA2), or hypothetically speaking 8(DAI) people who come together because of circumstances out of their control, who all just happen to be bi, given what statistics show. I definitely think DAI's got the right approach, with characters with preferences set in stone. Everyone being bi/playersexual or whatever is only somewhat handy when working with a tiny pool of romanceable characters, ie: it was probably a slightly better approach in DA2 with 4 romanceable companions than DA:O's approach, where there was only 1 m/m and 1 f/f option, and if you didn't like it you were screwed.

It also does a bit of a disservice to real bisexual people when the bisexuality has little/nothing to do with the character's persona or history, and is just thrown in as a cheap method of keeping customers satisfied.
 

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[(Disgusted noise.)]

I don't think that Dorian/Elf complaint really had to do with a power imbalance or whatever the Elfquisitor's role in Tevinter would be. Regardless of race, class or gender, the Inquisitor was literally the single most important person on the planet at one point (and his/her name likely still has quite a bit of power even without the fade rifts only he/she was able to close). If Quizzy so chose to go to Tevinter, (s)he would easily be treated equivalently to whatever the highest possible class is. Remember, the issue of a power imbalance came up in the Dorian romance, but it was the other way around   
 

 

Eh... I find the "everyone is bi" approach too game-y, and kind of a crutch to avoid creating a solid cast of realistic characters. It just really tests my 'willing suspension of disbelief' to find 4(DA2), or hypothetically speaking 8(DAI) people who come together because of circumstances out of their control, who all just happen to be bi, given what statistics show. I definitely think DAI's got the right approach, with characters with preferences set in stone. Everyone being bi/playersexual or whatever is only somewhat handy when working with a tiny pool of romanceable characters, ie: it was probably a slightly better approach in DA2 with 4 romanceable companions than DA:O's approach, where there was only 1 m/m and 1 f/f option, and if you didn't like it you were screwed.

It also does a bit of a disservice to real bisexual people when the bisexuality has little/nothing to do with the character's persona or history, and is just thrown in as a cheap method of keeping customers satisfied.
 

Wow, stunning work. Dorian wasn't lying when he praised his profile 

Oh, that was me. (I think.) My thought about Dorian/Lavellan had less to do with a power imbalance and more that Dorian tries so hard make up for how Tevinter has treated the elves that he sort of treats them as damaged goods. Of course he eventually works through that and starts treating Solas and Sera like everyone else, and he does it with the best intentions in mind, but it comes off a bit patronizing and that just isn't my thing.

[d4eaming]

Yeah I really wouldn't be worried about Dorian with an elf, it's just a thought. I'd still ideally prefer another m/m enf romance, but Dorian is still pretty near perfect regardless. I think I just find the Dalish absolutely fascinating and it's a mild obsession, which is where my thinking is coming from. My Canon Warden is Dalish, and I pretty much fell in love with them in the first five minutes. (I really wanted a Dalish mage back then, but alas. I have him now, though.) I do hope Bioware continues letting us play them, especially with the revelations in Inquisition. I'd imagine a lot of upheaval in the clans, some changing and some deciding they are happy with their current culture.

I thought I'd enjoy the Qunari more, but the weirdness with the models in Dorian's romance put a little damper on it XD my Qunari mage shrinking and growing so the models line up right was way too distracting (and Dorian on the edge of the bed, looking up at him so his eyes were rolled up in his head is just damned disconcerting). Elf at least matches, height wise hahaha.

[Alejandrawrr]

Oh, that was me. (I think.) My thought about Dorian/Lavellan had less to do with a power imbalance and more that Dorian tries so hard make up for how Tevinter has treated the elves that he sort of treats them as damaged goods. Of course he eventually works through that and starts treating Solas and Sera like everyone else, and he does it with the best intentions in mind, but it comes off a bit patronizing and that just isn't my thing.

Oh, you certainly have a point. It's just a personal preference of mine, I generally play as humans, followed by elves (don't know why). Maybe it's because I'm a broke college student but I just find it hard to relate to or get emotionally invested in a story between two posh rich dudes and their privileged upbringings (since we're forced to be Human nobles again). Working in retail in New York, I see and deal with plenty of them, and it's certainly not engaging for me as a player/watcher/reader, etc. And yeah, I know we can mold our Quizzy's persona within reason and they won't be as extravagant as Dorian, but still.

I just personally prefer the dynamic between Dorian and my "Closer to Earth" Dalish Rogue/Mage, and think it strikes an interesting contrast with plenty of room for growth/conflict for both. And worst case scenario, if the writers force the Inquisitor and Dorian apart, I can just headcanon that Quizzy got sick of the Tevinter "decadence and tyranny", and longed to return to his clan or whatevs.

[Ymirr]

What happens if Dorian and IB do their thing, and you start flirting with Dorian?

[Hazegurl]

ooh, I also wonder about that. Can you steal Dorian from Bull? I would laugh so hard if we could.

[Vita Brevis]

All things considering (lock-in romance system and nojealousy situations this time), I guess any companion that already involved with someone else will just tell the pc to get lost. But still, interesting question.  

[Gaesesagai]

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[perryversus]

What happens if Dorian and IB do their thing, and you start flirting with Dorian?

 

For both Dorian and Bull, I romanced both after they had quite a bit of their dialogue together, and you can still romance them. I don't know if there's a point in their romance they stop responding to the Inquisitor though, but they don't have romance dialogue anymore after the Inquisitor locks in the romance.

 

ooh, I also wonder about that. Can you steal Dorian from Bull? I would laugh so hard if we could.

 

Yes, kind of. And you can steal Iron Bull from Dorian. I've done it with each of them because they're both my front line companions for missions and exploring and didn't fully commit to the romance until after the Winter Palace (first time with Bull after Adamant, second time before Adamant with Dorian).

[5ubzer0]

Hmm, I wouldn't mind seeing Dorian with Cullen when I am playing a female inquisitor. That being said, his potential relationship with IB doesn't feel right to me at all. Maybe it's because I would never want to romance IB myself. I am aware that there's more to his character but even knowing that I still can't see past his brutish thug vibe.

 

Dorian can do so much better!

[Maiafay]

Maiafay, I can't quote on my phone, sorry.
No, I don't rightly care what tumblr thinks. Quoting doesn't mean caring, any more than I might comment on the weather means I care what it's doing. The tone was because you are putting an awful lot of caring into what anonymous people think of a fictional romance option and assuming we care that you like it. We don't. I don't know you, and I don't care what you like. You like Bull's romance. Good for you. That's not meant to be dismissal, I just honestly don't care. I also don't care for Sera, but that's no value judgement on the people who like her.
Anyway, I do apologize for upsetting you. But seriously, this is me not caring. Like what you like and own it. Stop caring what we think.
Anyhoo.

The only thing I cared about was being insulted and patronized - but you apologized so we're good. I'm content with being in the minority here when it concerns IB/Dorian, but the only reason I cared in the first place was because I assumed I shared some camaraderie here. My mistake and I apologize.

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Can anyone explain to me what Dorian's post personal quest tarot card means? >.> And his post romance one, I'm having difficulty understanding with the odd animals <.<