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[nightscrawl]

I've never gotten anything romance-related with them, but one time I had like three conversations with them in a row in which Cole kept pestering Dorian about his father to the point he asked the Inquisitor to make him stop. And it absolutely broke me. Gladly Cole finally understood to be sorry when my Inquisitor told him it was enough.

 

This game tugs my heart strings in a terrible manner :'D

 

I was glad we got the option to interject during that banter, and also that the tone of voice the Inquisitor uses was gentle. Cole is right in that to work through the hurt you sometimes have to examine it, but sometimes it just takes time. I do wish I could have explained that to him. The hurt is still too raw and recent for Dorian to look at it that way.

 

It's a fantastic banter series though and is extremely revealing about Dorian's character and how he sees himself.

 

 

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And omg, one of the options is "You're an adult, tell him yourself." Geez Inquisitor, way to be an ass. x_X

[Wanderlust14]

I've never gotten anything romance-related with them, but one time I had like three conversations with them in a row in which Cole kept pestering Dorian about his father to the point he asked the Inquisitor to make him stop. And it absolutely broke me. Gladly Cole finally understood to be sorry when my Inquisitor told him it was enough.

 

This game tugs my heart strings in a terrible manner :'D

Man it took me forever to get them to the point where Cole was asking Dorian questions. It was so frustrating. Actually, the worse was when I logged in and found them mid banter and I know I didn't leave them off during banter. I was not happy. 

[Fredward]

Guys, I have another question. I've seen the idea that Dorian might have a drinking problem mentioned a few places. What's the basis for this? The only time I can recall, off the top of my head, when he mentioned drinking was when we came back from Redcliffe and honestly I can't really blame him for that one.

[RobRam10]

Guys, I have another question. I've seen the idea that Dorian might have a drinking problem mentioned a few places. What's the basis for this? The only time I can recall, off the top of my head, when he mentioned drinking was when we came back from Redcliffe and honestly I can't really blame him for that one.

Theres a lot of banter regarding him drinking:

-Blackwall asks him why he drank some awful Ferelden beer in one of their banters

-I believe that Josephine threatened Dorian from being barred from the wine cellar

-He says that he got incredibly drunk after his falling out with Alexius

-He has a banter with Vivienne about the steward giving them awful wine

-A banter with Varric says that he has a fine taste for "wine and literature"

[Vita Brevis]

Guys, I have another question. I've seen the idea that Dorian might have a drinking problem mentioned a few places. What's the basis for this? The only time I can recall, off the top of my head, when he mentioned drinking was when we came back from Redcliffe and honestly I can't really blame him for that one.

Aaand also at the Ball, I think I've read somewhere the Inq can say something like "just don't get too drunk" even. And Josephine says something about how he slowly eliminates Skyhold's... um, supplies.

Also, Blacwall (of all people) has a banter where he asks why Dorian drank what he drank, like some awful beer(? I think), they talk a little and Blacwall says at the end "or maybe you're just an alcoholic" or something like that. That's what I remember from my first run.

[Wanderlust14]

Guys, I have another question. I've seen the idea that Dorian might have a drinking problem mentioned a few places. What's the basis for this? The only time I can recall, off the top of my head, when he mentioned drinking was when we came back from Redcliffe and honestly I can't really blame him for that one.

He talks about drinking a lot. Blackwall calls him a drunkard with bad taste, the Inquisitor will tell him not to get too drunk at the Ball, he mourns the bad wine with Vivienne, Josephine has banned him from the wine cellar and thinks he took a couple of bottles (he took way more and considers himself lucky to get away with it), the list goes on.

[Fredward]

Thanks for the answers guys. Also; feck. Our bf may or may not be abusing alcohol and we can't even discuss it with him. Bad show, Bioware, bad show. TO THE HEADCANON MOBILE.

[Hazegurl]

Also,

 

"It's been that sort of day." Sort of implies that he's used to turning to the sauce during a bad day.

"Excuse me, a bottle of Orlesian Brandy is calling my name." Dialogue you get if you break up with him in the library.

 

And maybe I'm wrong on this one, but I've always thought that the whites of his eyes being slightly beige was a sign of alcoholism. Probably a sign of liver issues?

[Hellion Rex]

Ok....I think we are reading way too much into the alcohol thing.

[d4eaming]

Thanks for the answers guys. Also; feck. Our bf may or may not be abusing alcohol and we can't even discuss it with him. Bad show, Bioware, bad show. TO THE HEADCANON MOBILE.

 

Yes, I wish this could be addressed too. My sister has a major drinking problem (my last conversation with her was her guilting me for 45 minutes while she was drunk off her ass), my dad is an alcoholic, and I have a tendency toward it as well when I am upset. All the makings of being an alcoholic myself, but I refrain from drinking often, and I can recognize when I am using it wrongly (to dull bad feelings rather than simple relaxing). Being able to talk to him about it would have been great.

 

I don't think he's drunk all the time though, but that maybe he has a problem with drowning his sorrows. Being a depressant, alcohol would certainly not help matters. Makes me wonder if maybe he has some light depression that he's fighting with.

[Maiafay]

And omg, one of the options is "You're an adult, tell him yourself." Geez Inquisitor, way to be an ass. x_X

Actually, I used that one because I wanted to see how the Inquisitor would say it, and surprisingly, the tone is gentle. The Inquisitor reminds Dorian that yes, he is an adult, and the only one who can solve this problem is...himself. And in turn, Dorian tells Cole, nicely, to leave it for now. I thought it worked out just as well as the other options.

On the subject of him being drunk....there's NOT one time that he's drunk when he speaks to the Inquisitor, or when they are running around Thedas....so I'm not sure if he HAS to have that drink, or just frequently binges. I headcanon that if he's in a relationship with the Inquisitor, he drinks less and less.

As for his eyes...eh, no. I don't think anything is wrong with the whites of his eyes. I blame lighting.

[Fredward]

Ok....I think we are reading way too much into the alcohol thing.

 

I dunno... it seems to be a theme. If it was a Redcliffe only thing I would've waved it off, even with the 'that kind of day' comment, some people just talk like that. The red flags for me would be the fact that he's banned from the wine cellar and that he needs to be warned off drinking too much at the Ball when he knows  how important it is. ALSO. He seems to use it as a emotional bandage, drinking if you break up with him, drinking when he has a falling out with his mentor, drinking after confronting his father. It's the kind of thing that can evolve into alcoholism.

 

Currently I'd say Dory is firmly on the 'substance abuser' list, ie using a substance for non-recreational purposes in a consistent manner. I suppose they didn't want a recurrence of Cullen's lyrium thing and since his is more 'serious' and Dorian already has his central theme they decided to go with that. Still, really something I want to discuss with him. Maybe in DLC.

 

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Btw one of the main things with alcoholism is a sense of shame about it, they drink secretly, hide it in other drinks etc. Which is one of the reasons I don't think he's an alcoholic yet since he seems very unselfconscious about it. It could just be a facade ofc which would be a Dorian thing to do but eh.

[Wanderlust14]

Yes, I wish this could be addressed too. My sister has a major drinking problem (my last conversation with her was her guilting me for 45 minutes while she was drunk off her ass), my dad is an alcoholic, and I have a tendency toward it as well when I am upset. All the makings of being an alcoholic myself, but I refrain from drinking often, and I can recognize when I am using it wrongly (to dull bad feelings rather than simple relaxing). Being able to talk to him about it would have been great.

 

I don't think he's drunk all the time though, but that maybe he has a problem with drowning his sorrows. Being a depressant, alcohol would certainly not help matters. Makes me wonder if maybe he has some light depression that he's fighting with.

I wouldn't be surprise if he was suffering from some minor depression. He is alone in a foreign country that doesn't particularly like him, he probably has some homesickness, he is still struggling with what happened with his parents, and one of his few friends is dying or has died of the blight/the venatori. I don't think it is a major thing, but being a bit depressed/turning to alcohol wouldn't be surprising with all the **** going on in his world

 

Edit: I don't think he is an alcoholic, but I think he could become one in the near future. 

[Hazegurl]

I consider him to be more of a high functioning alcoholic. He's no falling down drunk stereotype and he can still get through the day, but he has a problem. Sadly those are the types that are hard to help because it's difficult to see the problem.

[Hellion Rex]

*bangs head onto desk*

 

Seriously, y'all. I don't believe Dorian is an alcoholic. You are reading way too much into this stuff.

[RobRam10]

*bangs head onto desk*

 

Seriously, y'all. I don't believe Dorian is an alcoholic. You are reading way too much into this stuff.

nah

[FantiSci]

*bangs head onto desk*

 

Seriously, y'all. I don't believe Dorian is an alcoholic. You are reading way too much into this stuff.

 

 

I've got doubts myself. He certainly uses it as a crutch, which is definitely an issue, but lower on the panic scale. He mentions drinking mainly at crisis points: when Alexius went off the rails, after the confrontation with his father, if the Inquisitor breaks up with him, and so on. He lives in a medieval setting - yoga and jogging aren't acceptable methods of stress relief in that world, and the pub/bar/tavern/whatever probably would be the place people would go to blow off steam or escape (admittedly, as a noble, Dorian may be used to having other hobbies or diversions- perhaps that's part of the problem?). 

 

Stealing alcohol isn't a good sign, but people's main concern appears to stem from the fact that the game gives the impression that he drinks alone - he's not a social drinker like Bull, Sera or Varric. I don't like alcohol at all, so I'm not the best placed to comment, but most people I've met will excuse a lot of drinking if it's done in a group, only to panic if a colleague or friend mentions polishing off a bottle of wine after a break up. It's "a good night out" if you and six friends end up vomiting over the pavement, but "a desperate cry for help" if you drink that much alone. That's probably why Bull and Sera don't get the alcoholic label so quickly, even though drinking with Bull is not an exercise for the faint of heart (or liver).

 

The other character who's a suspected alcoholic is Fenris, for much the same reasons: he's steadily working his way through someone else's wine cellar, he's notoriously introverted and solitary, and we actually see him drinking rather than just hearing about it. But again, it's mainly at crisis points...and let's face it, that's where most Dragon Age player characters keep meeting and interacting with their group. The action's condensed, and more mundane things get left out, so we don't get many opportunities to see Dorian lying out on the grass at Skyhold, filling in Sudoku. Which is why the chess scene with Cullen is so nice, even if it's not Dorian's scene.

 

You can spin it both ways - Dorian doesn't black out, he's not ashamed of enjoying a glass of wine, it hasn't nuked any of his relationships, and it hasn't prevented him from doing the important stuff (all signs of alcoholism). He likes annoying Josephine possibly more than he likes drinking (listen to her talking to the messengers in her study - Dorian is a massive pain in the neck!), and Blackwall doesn't like Dorian - of course he looks for ways to hurt or undermine him. On the other, we don't know for certain that any of these symptoms didn't happen and we certainly don't know that they won't happen in future- who'd have pegged Alistair as a drunken vagrant?

 

Short version: I think my Quizzy would probably be at the stage of "I know your dad's an (insert expletive here), but lay off the wine, Dory - let's go torment Cassandra instead," but wouldn't have licensed Varric and his "DON'T" sign to stage an intervention quite yet.

[Wanderlust14]

I've got doubts myself. He certainly uses it as a crutch, which is definitely an issue, but lower on the panic scale. He mentions drinking mainly at crisis points: when Alexius went off the rails, after the confrontation with his father, if the Inquisitor breaks up with him, and so on. He lives in a medieval setting - yoga and jogging aren't acceptable methods of stress relief in that world, and the pub/bar/tavern/whatever probably would be the place people would go to blow off steam or escape (admittedly, as a noble, Dorian may be used to having other hobbies or diversions- perhaps that's part of the problem?). 

 

And this is the historical setting is the one thing I do question about the alcoholic Dorian idea. Historically alcohol used to be of a much lower proof than it is today because people often drank it in place of water. Water was often riddled with diseases and other sh*t (literally and otherwise) and so could be very unsafe while alcohol had been processed and so was much cleaner. This is the one reason I don't think he is actually an alcoholic yet, but do think he could become one pretty easily. Alcohol was a normal and necessary part of life, but some of the dialogue is concerning, particularly when he has to be warned away from it at the Ball and the Josephine part when she wants him to replace the 14 bottles he took and he responds with "...just 14? Hmm, I should consider myself lucky". 

[Lukas Trevelyan]

Does Cole say anything regarding Dorian and his romance? Aside from banter.

[Hazegurl]

I don't consider Fenris an alcoholic because the only times we see him drunk are his crisis moments which aren't many. Getting drunk and blowing off some steam doesn't make a person a drunk, at least not to me. We don't hear of any other instances of Fenris drinking outside of those moments. And also he seems to smash the bottles more than polish them off.  My problem with Dorian's drinking is that it's mentioned outside of his crisis moments tot he point where it shows up in banter, comments from advisers, and warnings from the PC. It's just too hard for me to ignore and say "Whelp, no problem exists there." It doesn't make me think less of him or anything it just extends to how much of Cole's words about "Glittering to hide a hidden hurt..." is true. It makes me want to give Dorian a big hug.

[Maiafay]

Whe does Josephine mention 14 bottles being stolen? I never got that dialogue. And when does the PC warn him? My quizzies and Dorian were pretty much joined at the hip and I never got that option.

[Wanderlust14]

Does Cole say anything regarding Dorian and his romance? Aside from banter.

Yeah, when you talk to Cole he says something about glittering to hide the hurt and learning to walk now that the wall is gone, and things along those lines.

 

 

Whe does Josephine mention 14 bottles being stolen? I never got that dialogue. And when does the PC warn him? My quizzies and Dorian were pretty much joined at the hip and I never got that option.

1:08

Also, it was at the ball, it was said in a mostly joking manner by the Inquisitor "Try not to get too drunk" and Dorian responds with it depends on how strong the punch is. 

Found it, 1:45

[Des]

Btw one of the main things with alcoholism is a sense of shame about it, they drink secretly, hide it in other drinks etc. Which is one of the reasons I don't think he's an alcoholic yet since he seems very unselfconscious about it. It could just be a facade ofc which would be a Dorian thing to do but eh.

 

I was just about to say this!

 

A true alcoholic isn't talking about drinking and how awesome it is. They hide it. They stash booze all over the house, hide that they're drinking by pouring it in other drinks, etc. But they don't show up for events, they have slurred speech, they're drunk during the day, etc. Many people don't know that an alcoholic is an alcoholic unless they're close to them and see the changes in their behavior.

 

I'd say Dorian has an alcohol addiction, definitely. He uses it as a crutch to get through difficult times, or awkward situations, and definitely drinks a bit too much. But he's not an alcoholic.
 

[Maiafay]

Hmm, I barely talk to Josephine (which might be the problem) but I never got any of that dialogue linked. When does it happen? Every time I fly by there on my way to the War room there's only some lady there reporting some random thing. I never see any of the companions.

I know about the punch comment at the Winter Palace, but I didn't think much about it.........nor did I think the PC was too concerned. I think Dorian knows when to be sober and when to get trashed.

[Barathos]

Btw one of the main things with alcoholism is a sense of shame about it, they drink secretly, hide it in other drinks etc. Which is one of the reasons I don't think he's an alcoholic yet since he seems very unselfconscious about it. It could just be a facade ofc which would be a Dorian thing to do but eh.

This might be in some cases, but living with an alcoholic parent I cant tell you this isn't the case with all. 

 

Dorian exhibits, funny enough, the same symptoms my dad does (or did). Drinking openly, and quite a bit, but shrugging it off that he isn't really drunk (after drinking 3 36oz beers) and goes on with life not really seeing the damage that's being caused around him because of it.

 

Everyone drinks, yeah! But when you drink to an excess where EVERYBODY talks about you drinking something foul and in excess? You might have a problem.