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[FrostDragon]

I only drink on a very rare basis. Once a year I might have some sort of weak, fruity malt type of beverage and that's it. So with this post I'm not coming from a personal defense POV.

I dislike people throwing around the term "alcoholism," or in fact any kind of diagnosis, in relation to these characters because we actually have very little interaction with them, especially when you consider that these games take place over the course of months or years. If we consider that an average DA2 play might be ~60 hours and an average DAI play might be ~100 hours, and the smallish amount of time within those hours we actually spend with those characters, we have MUCH more interaction with our family, friends, and co-workers. In reality, it might be the same amount of combined time as interacting with the regular cashier at your grocery store over the space of a year.

 

On these forums we like to think that we know these characters; I don't exclude myself from this. But we really don't.

 

With Fenris it is particularly ridiculous -- as ridiculous as people claiming Alistair was "obsessed with cheese" -- to call him an alcoholic when it is only referenced three times over the course of seven years of game time.

With Dorian I'll grant that there are considerably more references, and I don't doubt that he enjoys his libations. I don't know if David Gaider intended for Dorian to be viewed in this way vis-a-vis his drinking, or is more indicative of a casual view of alcohol that he (DG) might have, and in fact that many people have, or a general statement on Tevinter excess.

Alcoholism is a very serious disease and destroys people's lives. I think it is a disservice to use that term when we don't have an accurate picture of these character's lives. A few lines here and there DO NOT qualify as "an accurate picture."

 

I agree wholeheartedly. Though in fairness with regards to Fenris, we do see a lot more of him actually drinking. It's like, every other time you have a conversation with him, not to mention the wine cellar he totally empties. Again, probably a bit excessive, but he's functional, and therefore cannot be defined as an alcoholic.

 

 

This is why we don't let Dorian have espresso:

Spoiler

 

I get that little hiccup glitch all the time and I've stopped laughing at it most of the time, but this screenshot kills me.

[Dr. Doctor]

Dorian's facial hair appears to be a separate object from the rest of him in terms of his model.

[d4eaming]

This is why we don't let Dorian have espresso:

 

I nearly choked on my candy.

 

Cullen looks rather concerned about him.

[Dr. Doctor]

I nearly choked on my candy.
 
Cullen looks rather concerned about him.

"What if the have a dragon?"

"Please, if they have a dragon I'll eat my mustache."

[Des]

This is 100% off topic but am I the only one who has managed to start shipping Zevran and Dorian? I just imagine them meeting and... dude. They would be adorable.

[Hazegurl]

 

Sorry but I've never been into Zev.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

This is 100% off topic but am I the only one who has managed to start shipping Zevran and Dorian? I just imagine them meeting and... dude. They would be adorable.

If we're on the subject of Dorian crack ships, I'm an Anders/Dorian sort of guy.

[Hazegurl]

Double no on Anders!

 

Now what would be hot is Dorian/Fenris. Both hating each other, lots of Tevinter cursing, lyrium flashing and fire burning...

 

Okay I can't even tell if I'm picturing a love scene or a fight.

[Wanderlust14]

This is 100% off topic but am I the only one who has managed to start shipping Zevran and Dorian? I just imagine them meeting and... dude. They would be adorable.

Haha, I have always been alright with them having a wild night or two in bed. I could just imagine them having fun and sexy times (as for a romantic relationship, I see that lasting for about half a minute). 

 

As for the other men interested in men, nothing really clicks for me (besides bisexual Cullen). 

[Wanderlust14]

Double no on Anders!

 

Now what would be hot is Dorian/Fenris. Both hating each other, lots of Tevinter cursing, lyrium flashing and fire burning...

 

Okay I can't even tell if I'm picturing a love scene or a fight.

Oh god, it will be a miracle of either one survives the night. 

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Haha, I have always been alright with them having a wild night or two in bed. I could just imagine them having fun and sexy times (as for a romantic relationship, I see that lasting for about half a minute). 

 

As for the other men interested in men, nothing really clicks for me (besides bisexual Cullen). 

Well, Dorian/Cullen would obviously win. They'd be perfect together.

[Wanderlust14]

Well, Dorian/Cullen would obviously win. They'd be perfect together.

Oh I know, I don't know what I ship more, their friendship or their romance. I love both of it. 

[Des]

Haha, I have always been alright with them having a wild night or two in bed. I could just imagine them having fun and sexy times (as for a romantic relationship, I see that lasting for about half a minute). 

 

As for the other men interested in men, nothing really clicks for me (besides bisexual Cullen). 

 

But they could argue over whose hair was better

 

And Zev could hook up Dorian with some sweet Antivan leather

 

The amount of charm produced by them trying to out-charm one another would burn your eyebrows off

 

It would be glorious

[FrostDragon]

I can't see Dorian/Zevran, but I could probably see a Zevran/Bull tryst. Agree with the double, triple, forever no on the Anders/Dorian though. I just can't see Anders in a romantic light after romancing him my first DA2 play through and dealing with his extra crazy abominationness.

 

Am I the only one that head canons a Hawke/Fenris bonding with Dorian/Inquisitor mediated by Varric being Varric though? Because I could see Fenris flying off the handle at Dorian and Hawke having to calm him down while Varric makes all of the children play nice. A scene potentially followed by a moment when Dorian's like: "wow, ok. Maybe slavery is a bit uglier than I gave it credit for." A scene during which my elven inquisitor is just giving him a look that says everything it needs to, something along the lines of an eternally sarcastic "you think?"

[Fredward]

Not to drag the conversation back but can I just point out that few(ish) people are saying that Dorian is a fully fledged alcoholic, I'd agree that there aren't enough references to make such an intimation and I'd even argue that the references that ARE present count against fully fledged alcoholism, most people are saying that his drinking is problematic. And there are enough references for that to be the case like his use of alcohol as an emotional crutch, that's a red flag, that's using alcohol in a way that it wasn't supposed to be used, a shitty coping mechanism, using it so as not to feel something or avoiding something and it's a pattern not a one time thing. A lot of people drink a glass of wine or a glass of scotch or whatever when they come home from work to help them unwind, most people would also be able to unwind if they skipped a day or forgot, some people tell themselves they CANNOT unwind without that alcohol which becomes concerning because that association with 'unwinding' and 'alcohol' is easily extrapolated to decreasing everyday stress. It goes from a way to make everything a bit easier to the only way of making things easier. Dorian is teetering towards this with his 'feeling strong emotions I'd rather not be dealing with? Drown it!' approach. Not AT it but moving in the general direction of.

 

ANYWAY.

 

I'm trying to decide between a rogue elf or a rogue qunari for my next Dorianmance. I've already done a elven mage Dorianmance so the elf will be a bit of repeat I imagine but when I stack everything up I'm still leaning slightly in that direction. For those of you who've tried both which one did you wind up liking better? And why? I heard Qunari can intimidate that merchant into giving Dorian's necklace without the hoop jumping. That could be fun. I'm also toying with the idea of a dwarf but only because of this guy, I think if I tried it the height difference would drive me insane. And I don't even want to think about how ludicrous the dance with Florianne would be, Cringe worthy.

[Chrys]

You guys can keep arguing about it. I'll be here shipping Dorian with Zev, and Anders, and Fenris, and Cullen. 

[Riverway_Inca]

Figured this would be the best place to ask this question, but is anyone else having trouble getting banter from party members that reference the Inquisitor's relationship with Dorian? Or, at least certain banters...I've gotten all of them except Cole's with Dorian, Sera's (not the jousting bit), and Iron Bull's. I think I've exhausted all of Dorian's conversations with those companions, but I just haven't been able to get those relationship-specific banters. At first I thought it was because I was trying to get all the banter after I had completed the main storyline, but I reloaded an earlier save (where I hadn't embarked on the "Wicked Hearts" quest yet) and have been playing from that point forward, but still...nothing. Again, I've gotten all the banter except for the bits I want to hear - I'd almost believe they didn't exist if I hadn't heard and read about them from YouTube and elsewhere.

 

Does anyone have any idea how to get those lines to trigger? Maybe they'll only happen at certain specific points in the game? For example, I only got Dorian's "Are you all right, Amatus? Good, then so am I" line in the Storm Coast and nowhere else (several times, too). I'm starting to wonder if the romance banters I'm missing out on will only trigger if I complete Dorian's arc very early on in the main storyline.

[nightscrawl]

^ The banter is a known "problem." I believe the devs when they say that the banter is working as intended. However, that doesn't mean it can't use adjustments. And although they reference DAI being a ~150 hour game, I don't think they expected players to wander around these gigantic maps for hours at a time with the same three people -- I could easily spend 90% of the game with Varric, Dorian, and Cole. In other words, they didn't accurately predict how their game would actually be played. I don't know why they didn't expect this, there have always been forum postings and such where people talked about their "favorite team."
 
There are certain things you can do to make banter trigger more often. Be sure you go back to Skyhold frequently. If you are interested in a specific banter between two followers, occasionally switch out the third person. If you have more than one map you're trying to complete objectives on, switch between those. Some banter only triggers after certain events; either a character's personal story arc, or certain events in the game. I've noticed that there are 'early game' banters and 'late game' banters, so you might just have to wait.
 
I also think that some banters have a narrow window of time in which they can trigger and if you don't happen to catch it, you're screwed. I'm thinking that the Cole/Dorian "you're happier now" banter might be one of these [I don't know this for sure, obviously.]

[nightscrawl]

Not to drag the conversation back but can I just point out that few(ish) people are saying that Dorian is a fully fledged alcoholic...

I wasn't trying to call out anyone in this thread. From my experience here I've seen that there are interesting, mature discussions to be had. I was primarily referencing things I've seen elsewhere (both in other areas of the forum and other DA fan gatherings like the Dragon Age Confessions tumblr) about both Dorian and Fenris where people do throw that word around without considering what it actually means.

I did see DG mention the Alistair cheese thing once, which was amusing. He was like, "I don't know where people get these things." Lol...

[d4eaming]

I wasn't trying to call out anyone in this thread. From my experience here I've seen that there are interesting, mature discussions to be had. I was primarily referencing things I've seen elsewhere (both in other areas of the forum and other DA fan gatherings like the Dragon Age Confessions tumblr) about both Dorian and Fenris where people do throw that word around without considering what it actually means.

I did see DG mention the Alistair cheese thing once, which was amusing. He was like, "I don't know where people get these things." Lol...

 

I really only remember Fenris drinking once, on the "anniversary of my escape" dialogue. I think that'd be a good time to get some drinking done, personally. And he chucked the bottle at the wall, so basically through away at least some of it. I recall he mentions drinking, but not nearly as often.

 

I don't think Dorian is an alcoholic. I do think he likes to drown his sorrows, which isn't necessarily a bad thing, but isn't a healthy coping mechanism.

 

 

I'd love to have my mage Hawke/Fenris hang out with my warrior Dalish/Dorian. Two elves, two humans, two warriors, two mages, each from vastly different backgrounds. They could have lively, heated debates, where each holds back their respective lovers when they get a bit too prickly lol. Okay, mostly it'd probably be Fenris getting prickly, but he does smooth over quite a bit on friendmance path.

[nightscrawl]

Heh... Sarcastic Hawke + Dorian. Now that would be something to watch. Fenris and my warrior Inquisitor would go off and talk about their swords or something.

 

I imported a diplomatic/blue Hawke as my canon into my DAI plays. I found it annoying how she wouldn't shut up about blood magic. It seemed like she mentioned blood magic more in DAI than in DA2. I'm wondering if that changes with the DA Keep Hawke personality option? It's a good thing that my mage Hawkes were never specced into blood magic, or else it would have been supremely irritating.

[(Disgusted noise.)]

Heh... Sarcastic Hawke + Dorian. Now that would be something to watch. Fenris and my warrior Inquisitor would go off and talk about their swords or something.

 

I imported a diplomatic/blue Hawke as my canon into my DAI plays. I found it annoying how she wouldn't shut up about blood magic. It seemed like she mentioned blood magic more in DAI than in DA2. I'm wondering if that changes with the DA Keep Hawke personality option? It's a good thing that my mage Hawkes were never specced into blood magic, or else it would have been supremely irritating.

I've played with all three personalities (my canon Hawke is grumpy Hawke, but they just come off as having anger management issues in DAI, so I've been swapping it around) and none of them ever shut up about blood magic.

[pedulla]

He is my favorite companion. I was crushed when I realized my fem inquisitor couldn't romance him.

Looks like my next playthrough is gonna be a guy.

[Vita Brevis]

I nearly choked on my candy.

 

Cullen looks rather concerned about him.

Lol, Cullen.  And the whole picture.

 

But jokes aside it's really something when he helps him stand in that scene where we first meet him if sided with the templars. I don't know if I would help a random mage (or touch even) in this situation (and I generally like them, being a pro-mage and all) if I were him, but he did. Kinda cute.

[Wanderlust14]

Figured this would be the best place to ask this question, but is anyone else having trouble getting banter from party members that reference the Inquisitor's relationship with Dorian? Or, at least certain banters...I've gotten all of them except Cole's with Dorian, Sera's (not the jousting bit), and Iron Bull's. I think I've exhausted all of Dorian's conversations with those companions, but I just haven't been able to get those relationship-specific banters. At first I thought it was because I was trying to get all the banter after I had completed the main storyline, but I reloaded an earlier save (where I hadn't embarked on the "Wicked Hearts" quest yet) and have been playing from that point forward, but still...nothing. Again, I've gotten all the banter except for the bits I want to hear - I'd almost believe they didn't exist if I hadn't heard and read about them from YouTube and elsewhere.

 

Does anyone have any idea how to get those lines to trigger? Maybe they'll only happen at certain specific points in the game? For example, I only got Dorian's "Are you all right, Amatus? Good, then so am I" line in the Storm Coast and nowhere else (several times, too). I'm starting to wonder if the romance banters I'm missing out on will only trigger if I complete Dorian's arc very early on in the main storyline.

Are you playing as a Qunari Inquisitor? I am pretty sure Bull only comments on those.

 

 

I can't see Dorian/Zevran, but I could probably see a Zevran/Bull tryst. Agree with the double, triple, forever no on the Anders/Dorian though. I just can't see Anders in a romantic light after romancing him my first DA2 play through and dealing with his extra crazy abominationness.

 

Am I the only one that head canons a Hawke/Fenris bonding with Dorian/Inquisitor mediated by Varric being Varric though? Because I could see Fenris flying off the handle at Dorian and Hawke having to calm him down while Varric makes all of the children play nice. A scene potentially followed by a moment when Dorian's like: "wow, ok. Maybe slavery is a bit uglier than I gave it credit for." A scene during which my elven inquisitor is just giving him a look that says everything it needs to, something along the lines of an eternally sarcastic "you think?"

 

Oh goodness, Dorian and Fenris meeting...yeah, I just keep those two far away from each other, even in my head.