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[TheRatPack55]

Eh you shouldn't look at it that way. Cullen (the only other romance I've done) also has similar text on his, so it's not exclusive to Dorian's romance. Also, because this version of the Giselle scene is the first kiss, they want to make sure that the player doesn't feel surprised or ninjamanced. A couple of the flirts aren't really suggestive, so if you've missed looking at the icons you could very well be surprised.

 

This is where I have observed it bugging out for me. The option to "start" the romance is still present. And the one time I tried it the messenger for the amulet quest (this is a romance only quest that you get after the Giselle scene) never appeared. However, other people in the thread have had a better experience than I, so hopefully you will get more help.

oh, i'm not really bothered by the wording, i get what made bioware do it, considering the... issues a portion of the fanbase has. i was just being obnoxious for the sake of it. _{(i might have also thought i was being funny)}

 

my main concern is the 'start a romance' option still being active afterwards, and the 'if possible' note in the mother giselle dialogue.. what's that about?

 

still, i've been hard saving every 5 minutes when doing anything dorian related, so i feel fairly safe 

[Nymeria Stark]

The "if possible" thing doesn't really mean anything, i guess they put that becasue you have to confirm to start romance after that scene. After you confirm to start the romance, next time you talk you should get option to ask him for a kiss etc. If you still get the start romance thing after doing all that, that sounds like bug. You can see how it should be in this video from minute 7:30 to 10:00. 

 

Spoiler

[Arlee]

Funny, I never considered that by giving Erimond to the wardens, they might make him a warden.  I just figured they could  kill him or lock him up as they sought fit.  Nah, not even the stupidest of the wardens could be that stupid...could they? 

 

Yea that never occurred to me either. I figured what he did to them would be so far beyond anything else... I mean I'm not sure what else falls on level with convincing people to murder each other in the name of the "greater good" and then enslaving them to an ancient evil? I mean I guess it's possible, but it seems like a horrifically bad idea. Plus there's no bit of him that actually wants to help people so it seems like it wouldn't be worthwhile to make him a Warden.

 

The "if possible" thing doesn't really mean anything, i guess they put that becasue you have to confirm to start romance after that scene. After you confirm to start the romance, next time you talk you should get option to ask him for a kiss etc. If you still get the start romance thing after doing all that, that sounds like bug. You can see how it should be in this video from minute 7:30 to 10:00. 

 

Spoiler

 

So watching that (because really there's no such thing ans watching those scenes too many times) I was wondering... does anything change at all if you have Dorian leave early or let him and his father actually talk? It doesn't seem like anything is different in the conversation after but I feel like there should be some differences somewhere.

[Patchwork]

I fear I've been hit with the personal quest bug on my current run, usually Mother Giselle shows up in the throne room before or after Crestwood but not this time.

 

When are BW going to release the patch for us non pc people? 

[Dr. Doctor]

welp i've started my dorian romance the 'snub-mother-giselle-and-dorian-kisses-you' way, it was surprisingly un-buggy, too, but it seems the option doesn't actually start the romance? you have to choose the 'start romance - watch out, you're starting a gay romance - this will definitely be G-A-Y, are you absolutely sure?'

[Nymeria Stark]

So watching that (because really there's no such thing ans watching those scenes too many times) I was wondering... does anything change at all if you have Dorian leave early or let him and his father actually talk? It doesn't seem like anything is different in the conversation after but I feel like there should be some differences somewhere.

 

For what i saw, the only difference is in the first phrases Dorian says when you go back to Skyhold with him.

 

If you tell him to leave and don't let his father talk:

"He is a good man my father, deep down. He taught me principle is important. He cares for me, in his way, but he won't ever change. I can't forgive him for what  he did, i won't."

 

If you let his father talk and tell him to forgive him:

"He says we are alike, too much pride. Once i would have been overjoyed to hear him say that, now i'm not certain. I don't know if i can forgive him."

 

So basically if you don't let father talk, Dorian says he won't forgive him, and if you let him talk, Dorian is not sure if he should forgive him, so i guess there is a chance. I always tell him to stay and listen to his father because it feels better to me, and Dorian's face when father tells him to forgive him is too cute.   

 

(Yes, i also watched Dorian's scenes too many times lol)

[Sabreenei]

The "if possible" thing doesn't really mean anything, i guess they put that becasue you have to confirm to start romance after that scene. After you confirm to start the romance, next time you talk you should get option to ask him for a kiss etc. If you still get the start romance thing after doing all that, that sounds like bug. You can see how it should be in this video from minute 7:30 to 10:00. 

 

Spoiler

 

I thought the "if possible" was there in case you already started a romance with someone else. I think if you try to start one up with Dorian, you have the conversation about needing to break up with the other person first. He doesn't want any misunderstandings.

 

Also, after doing the kiss after the giselle talk, and starting the romance by talking to Dorian, I had to save & reload to get the repeatable kiss to play. I think also if I left skyhold and came back it worked, but saving and reloading worked the quickest

 

Though after all that playing around, I ended up going back and redoing the scene to have my inquisitor make the first move. Because he's totally bold like that, and would've done it, no matter how much I love Dorian kissing him first best!

[Nymeria Stark]

Yes i also had to save and reload for the repeatable kiss to work, but no more problems after that. In my case, Dorian having the initiative to kiss is so much better because my characters are usually shy for those things   

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Yeah, I prefer the second option too. It's not really a shy thing, I guess I tend to play as a bit aggressive in general, but it's nice to have the interest reciprocated a little bit. I mean, I definitely appreciate that the days of Leliana assuming I'm interested in her when I don't even talk to her are long gone, but sometimes I feel like they go overboard with trying to avoid "ninjamancing." It gets to the point where you feel like you're harassing them until the romance officially starts.

[Sabreenei]

I love the second option, and their banter leading up to the kiss delights me and tickles my toes. I have a save, so I can go watch it when I want to On my next Dorian romance, I'm going to keep it as canon for the playthrough. But this one, with my Trev warrior -- he'd been flirting with Dorian from the moment they met, and it's not that he's aggressive, because he's not. But he is assertive, and he's the type to take an opening when he sees one. As much as I really wanted him to wait and have Dorian kiss him first because I love that one to death, I had to give in to my RP, and let Finn take the initiative. Stupid rp! But at least I have the save, so I can watch it for my own self

[Arlee]

I fear I've been hit with the personal quest bug on my current run, usually Mother Giselle shows up in the throne room before or after Crestwood but not this time.

 

When are BW going to release the patch for us non pc people? 

 

Have you killed any of the Venitori guys? I didn't get the conversation with him until after I had used up all his dialogue, done the friend in Quinarus wartable mission, and killed two of the groups.

 

So basically if you don't let father talk, Dorian says he won't forgive him, and if you let him talk, Dorian is not sure if he should forgive him, so i guess there is a chance. I always tell him to stay and listen to his father because it feels better to me, and Dorian's face when father tells him to forgive him is too cute.   

 

(Yes, i also watched Dorian's scenes too many times lol)

 

Hmm, that's interesting. I wonder if they might explore it further in the future dlc or something. I always have them talk too, the other option just doesn't sit right with me for some reason.

[Sabreenei]

I like to have them talk too. That little look Dorian gives the inquisitor before he goes off with his father, and the way the inquisitor gives that half smile back, just cracks my heart into little pieces.

 

On one playthrough I played the self-protective angry friend, and we stormed out. So I did do that. The talking option just makes me happier, and it feels more resolved to me. I choose the "don't leave it this way" dialogue option, to have them talk.

[FrostDragon]

Yeah, I prefer the second option too. It's not really a shy thing, I guess I tend to play as a bit aggressive in general, but it's nice to have the interest reciprocated a little bit. I mean, I definitely appreciate that the days of Leliana assuming I'm interested in her when I don't even talk to her are long gone, but sometimes I feel like they go overboard with trying to avoid "ninjamancing." It gets to the point where you feel like you're harassing them until the romance officially starts.

 

I think they're still trying to find a good balance between not triggering a romance and letting players feel free to RP flirty characters without getting themselves in deep trouble. Unfortunately that makes it hard to play a romantically non-aggressive character. The changes are definitely nice in some ways, but they have their drawbacks. (Really don't miss the ninjamancing though. That was sooo awkward. Just walking along mindin' your own business and if you get your party members' approval too high, suddenly everyone wants to jump your bones.)

[Dr. Doctor]

Yeah, I prefer the second option too. It's not really a shy thing, I guess I tend to play as a bit aggressive in general, but it's nice to have the interest reciprocated a little bit. I mean, I definitely appreciate that the days of Leliana assuming I'm interested in her when I don't even talk to her are long gone, but sometimes I feel like they go overboard with trying to avoid "ninjamancing." It gets to the point where you feel like you're harassing them until the romance officially starts.

 

With Cass it occasionally feels awkward (note: some flirts with her change slightly with higher approval) and poor Cullen must be creeped out early on. With Dorian, he'll flirt all day but I think the Inquisitor showing support and reciprocating helped move things along.

 

Also with Cadash, Dorian is one of the few people in the Inquisition who doesn't judge you for your past with the Carta. They make an odd couple, the grumpy Duster and the snarky Tevinter mage. It doesn't help that I made him look like Vinnie Jones (because Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels.)

 

 

 

I wish the Xbone could take screenshots.

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With Cass it occasionally feels awkward (note: some flirts with her change slightly with higher approval) and poor Cullen must be creeped out early on. With Dorian, he'll flirt all day but I think the Inquisitor showing support and reciprocating helped move things along.

 

Also with Cadash, Dorian is one of the few people in the Inquisition who doesn't judge you for your past with the Carta. They make an odd couple, the grumpy Duster and the snarky Tevinter mage. It doesn't help that I made him look like Vinnie Jones (because Lock, Stock, and Two Smoking Barrels.)

 

 

 

I wish the Xbone could take screenshots.

 

Yeah, with Dorian the "aggressiveness" of flirting in DAI isn't so bad since he does give some of it back. Sera isn't so bad either. But everyone else it's like pulling teeth until you pass the threshold.

 

I love the Carta backstory, honestly. It fits so much better with the character I tend to play than a younger son noble who's been sent to the Chantry. And yeah, I like that Dorian is one of the only people who mentions you past non-judgmentally. I'm sure your Cadash looks very dwarf-y base off of your muse. I got accused to de-dwarfing mine and that he must be at least partially human, haha. Also that he apparently looks a bit like a blond Sheploo.

[Sabreenei]

I know Blackwall isn't a popular choice (though he's mine, lol), but he had some really great flirts, especially the early ones. He actually flirts back and laughs, which I really enjoy. Probably another reason why he, Sera & Dorian are my top favs. They actually have some banter, and give and take in the dialogue with flirting. Rather than the others where you feel like you're making them uncomfortable, or it goes right over their heads.

 

I completely understand what they were trying for and appreciate them trying for a balance, I just want it to be nudged back slightly. I didn't get ninjamanced in DA2, but I accidentally found myself with Leli, Alistair and Zevran during my first run in DAO. I didn't realize my girl was such a big flirt, until... consequences. Ooops!

 

Vinnie Jones

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I know Blackwall isn't a popular choice (though he's mine, lol), but he had some really great flirts, especially the early ones. He actually flirts back and laughs, which I really enjoy. Probably another reason why he, Sera & Dorian are my top favs. They actually have some banter, and give and take in the dialogue with flirting. Rather than the others where you feel like you're making them uncomfortable, or it goes right over their heads.

 

I completely understand what they were trying for and appreciate them trying for a balance, I just want it to be nudged back slightly. I didn't get ninjamanced in DA2, but I accidentally found myself with Leli, Alistair and Zevran during my first run in DAO. I didn't realize my girl was such a big flirt, until... consequences. Ooops!

 

Vinnie Jones

It's almost impossible to get ninjamanced in DA2 due to the heart icons, unlike DAO and ME where the dialogue choices can be a bit more subtle. Usually I was trying to work on both Morrigan and Zevran, and then Leliana would butt in and be like "I'm a part of this too!" And I wish there was a dialogue option for the Warden to say, "I've literally spoken to you like three times, what the hell is wrong with you?" And I'd always keep male Shepard single in ME1 and Liara is just as bad as Leliana about thinking you're in love with her just because you don't go around spitting at her or punching her in the face.

[Dr. Doctor]

Yeah, with Dorian the "aggressiveness" of flirting in DAI isn't so bad since he does give some of it back. Sera isn't so bad either. But everyone else it's like pulling teeth until you pass the threshold.

 

I love the Carta backstory, honestly. It fits so much better with the character I tend to play than a younger son noble who's been sent to the Chantry. And yeah, I like that Dorian is one of the only people who mentions you past non-judgmentally. I'm sure your Cadash looks very dwarf-y base off of your muse. I got accused to de-dwarfing mine and that he must be at least partially human, haha. Also that he apparently looks a bit like a blond Sheploo.

 

My first character ended up looking less dwarfy after I spent three hours tinkering with the CC.

http://fc05.devianta...593-d8bswc8.jpg

 

I wouldn't mind a CC Android/iOS app, I could spend days playing around with different characters.

[Nymeria Stark]

I completely understand what they were trying for and appreciate them trying for a balance, I just want it to be nudged back slightly. I didn't get ninjamanced in DA2, but I accidentally found myself with Leli, Alistair and Zevran during my first run in DAO. I didn't realize my girl was such a big flirt, until... consequences. Ooops!

 

Reading this i just remembered it seems my Warden got ninjamanced by Zevran lol. I was always loyal to Alistair and wasn't interested in romancing Zevran, but when i started the Awakening expansion i got a letter from Zevran that ended with something like "you remain in my dreams, especially the naughty ones", and my warden was like what the hell  , hopefully Alistair will never see Zevrans's naughty letters lol.

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Reading this i just remembered it seems my Warden got ninjamanced by Zevran lol. I was always loyal to Alistair and wasn't interested in romancing Zevran, but when i started the Awakening expansion i got a letter from Zevran that ended with something like "you remain in my dreams, especially the naughty ones", and my warden was like what the hell  , hopefully Alistair will never see Zevrans's naughty letters lol.

Classic Zevran.

[FrostDragon]

Reading this i just remembered it seems my Warden got ninjamanced by Zevran lol. I was always loyal to Alistair and wasn't interested in romancing Zevran, but when i started the Awakening expansion i got a letter from Zevran that ended with something like "you remain in my dreams, especially the naughty ones", and my warden was like what the hell  , hopefully Alistair will never see Zevrans's naughty letters lol.

 

I think that was actually a glitch they were having problems with in the family of the letters from Leliana and Zevran not showing up at all.

 

Also I looked it up once, and it seems like the Leliana ninjamancing came mostly from one semi-supportive friendly dialogue option that for some reason is a romance trigger. Zevran's are a bit more obvious. ME ninjamances were awful though, one wrong move and Ashley suddenly thinks you're in a relationship because you weren't a total ******* to her. Liara is at least somewhat straightforward about having an interest and you can bluntly shoot her down right off teh bat, but it's still awkward. 

 

Personally I subscribe to the theories that Liara and Leliana fall in love with the PC regardless of other romances. It just seems that way with how Liara talks about Shepard and the way she looks at him throughout the other games. Leliana gives of a bit of that vibe, like maybe she had unrequited feelings for the warden that she eventually got over.

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I think that was actually a glitch they were having problems with in the family of the letters from Leliana and Zevran not showing up at all.

 

Also I looked it up once, and it seems like the Leliana ninjamancing came mostly from one semi-supportive friendly dialogue option that for some reason is a romance trigger. Zevran's are a bit more obvious. ME ninjamances were awful though, one wrong move and Ashley suddenly thinks you're in a relationship because you weren't a total ******* to her. Liara is at least somewhat straightforward about having an interest and you can bluntly shoot her down right off teh bat, but it's still awkward. 

 

Personally I subscribe to the theories that Liara and Leliana fall in love with the PC regardless of other romances. It just seems that way with how Liara talks about Shepard and the way she looks at him throughout the other games. Leliana gives of a bit of that vibe, like maybe she had unrequited feelings for the warden that she eventually got over.

I'm always a complete ******* to Ashley and I still got into a romance with her one time. Luckily she never makes it pass Virmire, so it wasn't a big deal.

 

And as much as I complain about it, I think it's completely in character for Liara to go for you mostly regardless of what you do. They were pretty consistent in all three games as writing Liara as someone who's in love with Shepard even if it's not reciprocated. (They actually do a bit of the same thing with Kaidan.) She's got a bit of hero worship going on. And I suppose it can make sense for Leliana for similar reasons. She's at a particularly vulnerable place in DAO, so I could see why she would clutch even a half-hearted support.

[tklivory]

I'm always a complete ******* to Ashley and I still got into a romance with her one time. Luckily she never makes it pass Virmire, so it wasn't a big deal.

 

And as much as I complain about it, I think it's completely in character for Liara to go for you mostly regardless of what you do. They were pretty consistent in all three games as writing Liara as someone who's in love with Shepard even if it's not reciprocated. (They actually do a bit of the same thing with Kaidan.) She's got a bit of hero worship going on. And I suppose it can make sense for Leliana for similar reasons. She's at a particularly vulnerable place in DAO, so I could see why she would clutch even a half-hearted support.

 

I thought Leliana's invasive love was a long-acknowledged bug. I know there were several mods that fixed it by restoring the code to what it was supposed to be.

[NoRmAnDy-SR2]

Does anyone else wonders why Dorian picked Necromancy as his specialization? He never comments on his own magic and there's no option to ask him about it

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Does anyone else wonders why Dorian picked Necromancy as his specialization? He never comments on his own magic and there's no option to ask him about it

He tells Cassandra that he was always begging his parents to take him to see a necropolis when he was a little boy and he's initially sounds boyishly excited to discuss spirits with Solas when he finds out Solas also has an interest in them. So, I always assumed it was for passionate intellectualism in the same way being fascinated by dinosaurs as a child would makes someone want to become a paleontologist as an adult.