Actually, where does Dorian sleep? In he perpetually near his chair?
far door on the left in the main hall of skyhold 
otherwise i just assumed in one of those couple of bedrooms through the door in the library would be where some companions would sleep?
Actually, where does Dorian sleep? In he perpetually near his chair?
I always assumed the rooms off the balcony near Vivienne off that outside balcony were where companions without more obvious sleeping arrangements slept.
Same here. Yeah its nice to be able to play it out differently.
Speaking of. Do you usually seal the deal with him or go the, taking things slow route? If you dont mind my asking of course. I cant decide which way i like better for Dorian. Both are great, but i do love the gobsmacked face he pulls when you take it slow (especially because at Haven he said he doubts i could surprise him, HA)
.... although.....sex.
Also strangely difficult to say no to his pixels.
Cole: I'm hurting you, Dorian. Words winding, wanting, wounding. You said I could ask.
Dorian: I know I did. The things you ask are just... very personal.
Cole: But it hurts. I want to help, but it's all tangled with the love, I can't tug it loose without tearing it.
Cole: You hold him so tightly. You let it keep hurting, because you think hurting is who you are. Why would you do that?
I always assumed the rooms off the balcony near Vivienne off that outside balcony were where companions without more obvious sleeping arrangements slept.
Yeah, I kind of assume there was an area for them...of course, now I am picturing certain companions having to do the walk of shame after sleeping with the Inquisitor. The reactions amuse me.
I prefer the sex version as well. As adorable as it is to see him so flabbergasted at being turned down for sex and propositioned for a relationship, I find the vulnerability he shows after having sex to be a lot more intimate. It's so rare to see him let his guard down to such a degree, and it really demonstrates how serious his feelings for the Inquisitor are that he's willing to bring the subject up by his own volition due to what we know about him and his defense mechanisms around romance.
Yeah, I kind of assume there was an area for them...of course, now I am picturing certain companions having to do the walk of shame after sleeping with the Inquisitor. The reactions amuse me.
Right through the throne room, in full view of those gossipy Orlesians no less.
Aw, yeah! The console patch finally dropped. The first thing I did was load up my qunari warrior and run straight over to Dorian. Sure enough, the Felix convo started right up, followed directly by the Mother Giselle one. I can finally return to this playthrough now that my handsome Tevinter beau is speaking to me again!
Well, really only Dorian and Cassandra seem to genuinely think of you as a friend if you don't romance them. Also, Sera, I guess, but you have a lot of crazy to wade through to get to it. I don't even try to be contrary to her and I've still only gotten the "cookie" scene once through out my play throughs.
Sera is a pita. I've only managed to get the cookie scene with her on a my Lavallen who romanced Solas (you'd think that would be a strike against her!). All the others she's sort of lukewarm with. Though maybe that is because my other two were human and Sera doesn't like nobles so they start lower than nonhumans do?
Same here. Yeah its nice to be able to play it out differently.
Speaking of. Do you usually seal the deal with him or go the, taking things slow route? If you dont mind my asking of course. I cant decide which way i like better for Dorian. Both are great, but i do love the gobsmacked face he pulls when you take it slow (especially because at Haven he said he doubts i could surprise him, HA)
.... although.....sex.
Also strangely difficult to say no to his pixels.
So I've thought about doing another pt so I could go this route... but I'm pretty sure I would fail horribly at that. I agree a lot with the points made above about really liking the conversation after with him. Also, the other route just seems sort of weird to me, which probably says all sorts of unfortunate things about me 
Aw, yeah! The console patch finally dropped. The first thing I did was load up my qunari warrior and run straight over to Dorian. Sure enough, the Felix convo started right up, followed directly by the Mother Giselle one. I can finally return to this playthrough now that my handsome Tevinter beau is speaking to me again!
Yay! That's awesome. Also something weird I noticed in this PT and I can't figure out why it happened this way. Normally this is the order things have happened with my female characters:
Felix dialouge
Go see Dorian's dad
Get back talk to Dorian
Convo with Giselle
But with my romance toon it went:
Felix dilouge
Go see Dorian's dad
Get back and talk to Dorian (did the kiss him option)
Get Amulet quest
Talk to merchant
Give Dorian the Amulet
Convo with Giselle
I had originally thought maybe it just happened differently for the romance, but then I remembered the alternate route where you get the first kiss after talking to Giselle so I was confused again. It just seems weird for the Giselle convo to come so late I'd think it would come after finishing his quest with his father no matter what.
I also prefer to choose the sex scene, even if for some roleplays i would like the "slow down" option.
But both scenes have their good things. The bed scene, apart from the obvious advantages, it has nice dialogue, and that vulnerable Dorian with cute sad face.... I would feel like monster telling him to end relation there or saying it's just some casual fun. However, telling him that this is more than just fun, feels really good, happy Dorian makes me happy too. 
The "slow down" option also has interesting dialogue and Dorian with cute confused face when IQ tells him he wants a relationship. But i also love how he says at the end, "Fine, have it your way. I am, however, not leaving your quarters empty handed, it's a matter of pride", and then kissing inquisitor very sweetly. 
They are both very nice scenes, but it's a problem that if you choose slow down, you never get any sex scene.... It would be nice if after choosing slow down you could have a different bed scene by telling Dorian when you are ready or something like that.
The progression comes in the post-sex dialog where he explains everything, makes himself vulnerable by asking what the Inquisitor wants out of this, and then waiting for the answer. He is really taking a chance. He admits that he likes the Inquisitor more than is probably wise, so the fact of having had sex first and then having this conversation really leaves himself open to the type of rejection that he really doesn't want, from this person specifically.
This is what got me. I was not initially enthusiastic about this romance (I wasn't a fan of the mustache and wanted some other options we did not get like Solas) and my first playthrough was a female quizzy in a romance with Blackwall - big step for me since I normally like playing male characters in romances with male characters. My 2nd was to romance Dorian but then I got the stupid bug, so my quizzy ended up with Iron Bull. So though I was eager for this romance to happen by this playthrough, it's sheer sweetness just has thrown me for a loop! I love this romance! I believed Dorian's bravado those first two playthroughs - that he was overly confident, that he didn't need anybody that deeply in romance. Bull! Now I know. He's just so achingly sweet with the Quizzy and all those little moments where his facade slips just a little to let you see what's really there have really made this my favorite romance thus far.
Now, though I adore making male elven quizzies apparently, and ache to create another, I haven't yet played the templar route and want to create a very dishy male human quzziy that's a very devout templar type. Has anyone played like that, romancing Dorian? And if so, how did it work out? I can't see that he would be terribly drawn to someone pro-templar, but, as I said above, he does surprise me sometimes 
Oh, and I've warmed to the mustache. Plan to include a little something cute about it in my fluff fic when i write it.
I can see myself saving before the 'take it slow' conversation, just so I can see how it plays out. But, I would immediately have to load and take the 'whumpa whumpa' route, because I did not pay $70 to not see Dorian's bum! I mean...no, that's what I meant lol
Now, though I adore making male elven quizzies apparently, and ache to create another, I haven't yet played the templar route and want to create a very dishy male human quzziy that's a very devout templar type. Has anyone played like that, romancing Dorian? And if so, how did it work out? I can't see that he would be terribly drawn to someone pro-templar, but, as I said above, he does surprise me sometimes
That's actually exactly what my current pt was/has been. (I got to the end of the game and then felt sad about skipping so much so now I am finishing up things and then I am going to refinish the game). It's been awesome You have to do a bit more to get your approval up to get his quest with his father, but it's not too bad. Also since I went rogue I enjoyed being able to intimidate the slimy merchant and not having to help him. Total win there imo
About the amulet quest, I always prefer to not take him to see the merchant. I recognize in a way it's sort of dishonest because he didn't want me to help and I'm helping without telling him, but I also feel like it's better that way. I know some people put on the same level as if you didn't tell him about the letter his father sent and just take him to Redcliff. But to me that seems totally different. With the letter from his father it's clearly a big deal and he clearly has cause to not want to see him, so giving him the choice makes sense to me. However, with the amulet he never explains the reason he doesn't want help is because he's afraid people will just think he's using the Inquisitor (he only explains this after giving him the amulet). So his objection seemed more silly, and there was the whole bit he had zero plan for getting it back. Anywho, to me it makes more sense to just go get it and surprise him. I was curious what you guys think about it.
Ok, I might give that a try my next playthrough, Arlee.
I did exactly that with the amulet. I surprised him and loved the whole reaction before, when he's like, "don't do anything; it's my problem!" and then the reaction afterwards is just great. I kind of swoon thinking about it lol.
I wonder what his reaction is if you take him to get the amulet?
In my frist playthrough, I picked the "I'll think about it," option with Mother Gisele, not knowing that means I would be tricking him into meeting with his father, and then I just happened to be in that area with him and we stumbled into the mission lol. So he was rather pissed with my quizzy at first, but she completely supported him and didn't ask any intrusive quesitons, so all was fine. But I did see that initial reaciton - it was rather distressing. He's so hurt!
In my frist playthrough, I picked the "I'll think about it," option with Mother Gisele, not knowing that means I would be tricking him into meeting with his father, and then I just happened to be in that area with him and we stumbled into the mission lol. So he was rather pissed with my quizzy at first, but she completely supported him and didn't ask any intrusive quesitons, so all was fine. But I did see that initial reaciton - it was rather distressing. He's so hurt!
That's pretty much exactly how I imagined his reaction would be. I know it's recoverable, but just seeing that would be horrifically distressing to me ><
Now, though I adore making male elven quizzies apparently, and ache to create another, I haven't yet played the templar route and want to create a very dishy male human quzziy that's a very devout templar type. Has anyone played like that, romancing Dorian? And if so, how did it work out? I can't see that he would be terribly drawn to someone pro-templar, but, as I said above, he does surprise me sometimes
I only did templar path with my female Trevelyan, and she was still best friend with Dorian, but i know other people romanced Dorian with templar path without problems. Also, if you decide to take templar specialization too, Dorian has a funny comment about it. I put it in spoiler in case you don't wanna see it yet.
I can see myself saving before the 'take it slow' conversation, just so I can see how it plays out. But, I would immediately have to load and take the 'whumpa whumpa' route, because I did not pay $70 to not see Dorian's bum! I mean...no, that's what I meant lol
I also thought of doing the save and load trick to imagine both scenes happened, but still, having a different sex scene would be sooo much better
About the amulet quest, I always prefer to not take him to see the merchant. I recognize in a way it's sort of dishonest because he didn't want me to help and I'm helping without telling him, but I also feel like it's better that way. I know some people put on the same level as if you didn't tell him about the letter his father sent and just take him to Redcliff. But to me that seems totally different. With the letter from his father it's clearly a big deal and he clearly has cause to not want to see him, so giving him the choice makes sense to me. However, with the amulet he never explains the reason he doesn't want help is because he's afraid people will just think he's using the Inquisitor (he only explains this after giving him the amulet). So his objection seemed more silly, and there was the whole bit he had zero plan for getting it back. Anywho, to me it makes more sense to just go get it and surprise him. I was curious what you guys think about it.
Oh i always prefer to take him to see the merchant, even if it's just to see more of Dorian. And it's too funny when Dorian says "He's not my friend, he is... Nevermind what he is" and inquisitor looks at him frowning like wtf. 
Oh i always prefer to take him to see the merchant, even if it's just to see more of Dorian. And it's too funny when Dorian says "He's not my friend, he is... Nevermind what he is" and inquisitor looks at him frowning like wtf.
Lol, that is a good point. I've watched how it plays out with him there and that moment is cool. There's just something about how it playsout with him there that rubs me wrong. I wish I could figure out what it is exactly... but on some level it feels almost mean to take him. Like you're all "oh hey you didn't want me to help but now you have to watch me help despite your wishes"... if that makes sense. I'm a weirdo though so yea lol
Also I can't believe some people kill the merchant, that's soooooo wtf to me. My reaction to that is pretty much what Dorian's is.
Kill the merchant? OMG I felt like a total d-bag just playing the 'don't you know who I am' card, but I didn't know what else to do. Funny thing was, I actually went to VR to take care of Josie's quest, and brought Dorian along. When I found the merchant, Dorian says 'is this what we came here for?' and I just had to laugh to myself 'not everything is about you, Dorian'.
Yea killing merchant is just insane and useless because you can't even get amulet back, good thing i would never think of doing that. However, when i watched video, it was funny how Dorian said with that sarcastic pissed off tone "You killed him, to serve your own thuggish needs. Lovely". But yea, then he is all angry and pissed off at IQ and it's not funny anymore 
. It's path for brutish thugs, like Dorian says, and i think it even locks you out from romancing him. My elf rogue couldn't threaten the merchant to give amulet so i ended doing the war table quest.
I did exactly that with the amulet. I surprised him and loved the whole reaction before, when he's like, "don't do anything; it's my problem!" and then the reaction afterwards is just great. I kind of swoon thinking about it lol.
I wonder what his reaction is if you take him to get the amulet?
You should definitely do a save before hand and play out the whole thing so you can pick the different dialog options. He's not pleased because he specifically asked you not to interfere. However, after talking to Ponchard you do have the choice to ask Dorian's opinion which offers interesting results.
Lol, that is a good point. I've watched how it plays out with him there and that moment is cool. There's just something about how it playsout with him there that rubs me wrong. I wish I could figure out what it is exactly... but on some level it feels almost mean to take him. Like you're all "oh hey you didn't want me to help but now you have to watch me help despite your wishes"... if that makes sense. I'm a weirdo though so yea lol
I take Dorian to get the amulet. I prefer to not go behind his back for any reason, and his defensiveness and insistence sets off warning bells that this is a problem that has to be dealt with. You get the chance to ask what he's going to do about it and discover that he doesn't really have any sort of concrete plan and call him out on this. So, I don't really look at it as mean, more as "We're dealing with this problem."
Part of the reason is also the dialog with Ponchard. He starts out with "Do forgive me, Inquisitor, but when I heard of your... association with Monsieur Pavus, I could not resist." This is highly suggestive and plays right into the "rumors" that were mentioned during the Giselle conversation.
On responding to Dorian and referring to the Inquisitor as his friend, Dorian replies with "Kaffas! I know what you think, and he's not my friend. He's..." Here the Inquisitor looks irritated and seems to say "Well, Just what am I exactly?" And Dorian continues with "Never mind what he is." I do like this because it's another chance to see Dorian's mind working before he even explains the problem in the "return the amulet" scene. At this point it's obvious that there is something between himself and the Inquisitor, but he doesn't quite know what it is and doesn't know how to deal with it.
This quest is really the perfect lead in to the sex/no-sex scene. Dorian doesn't know how do deal with this sort of relationship progression so he goes with what he knows, which is sex.
Funny thing was, I actually went to VR to take care of Josie's quest, and brought Dorian along. When I found the merchant, Dorian says 'is this what we came here for?' and I just had to laugh to myself 'not everything is about you, Dorian'.
Rofl, I love it when game circumstances work out this way around scripted events.
I take Dorian to get the amulet. I prefer to not go behind his back for any reason, and his defensiveness and insistence sets off warning bells that this is a problem that has to be dealt with. You get the chance to ask what he's going to do about it and discover that he doesn't really have any sort of concrete plan and call him out on this. So, I don't really look at it as mean, more as "We're dealing with this problem."
Part of the reason is also the dialog with Ponchard. He starts out with "Do forgive me, Inquisitor, but when I heard of your... association with Monsieur Pavus, I could not resist." This is highly suggestive and plays right into the "rumors" that were mentioned during the Giselle conversation.
On responding to Dorian and referring to the Inquisitor as his friend, Dorian replies with "Kaffas! I know what you think, and he's not my friend. He's..." Here the Inquisitor looks irritated and seems to say "Well, Just what am I exactly?" And Dorian continues with "Never mind what he is." I do like this because it's another chance to see Dorian's mind working before he even explains the problem in the "return the amulet" scene. At this point it's obvious that there is something between himself and the Inquisitor, but he doesn't quite know what it is and doesn't know how to deal with it.
This quest is really the perfect lead in to the sex/no-sex scene. Dorian doesn't know how do deal with this sort of relationship progression so he goes with what he knows, which is sex.
That's an interesting way to think of it too. Though it makes me sad because for me the scene with Giselle and the rumors happened after I gave the amulet back to Dorian, so when Ponchard said the part about having heard about my association with Dorian I was vaguely confused and wanted to have option to be like "wait, what exactly have you heard?". Maybe on my next pt I'll take him and see how it feels to have him there. I vaguely want to do his romance with the Mage path, but I really dislike the whole Samson storyline (except for the extra Cullen stuff of course). I'm not sure I can make it through that again ><
I wonder what his reaction is if you take him to get the amulet?
In my frist playthrough, I picked the "I'll think about it," option with Mother Gisele, not knowing that means I would be tricking him into meeting with his father, and then I just happened to be in that area with him and we stumbled into the mission lol. So he was rather pissed with my quizzy at first, but she completely supported him and didn't ask any intrusive quesitons, so all was fine. But I did see that initial reaciton - it was rather distressing. He's so hurt!
heh, i picked the "i'll think about it" option as well, but then went straight to dorian to tell him all about it.. my inquisitor is the 'smile and nod, then do what you want anyway' kind of guy
kinda like me, actually...
it worked out fine, so no regrets
funnily enough, i did like dorian's reaction in val royeaux during the amulet quest. i felt it would be wrong for my iq to hide it from him, but afterwards i did do a few quests with dorian during which i felt like we were both sulking - him because i did what he told me not to, and me because he was such a d1ck to me over sth i did for him... it felt realistic, whatever that says about my rl relationships...
That's an interesting way to think of it too. Though it makes me sad because for me the scene with Giselle and the rumors happened after I gave the amulet back to Dorian, so when Ponchard said the part about having heard about my association with Dorian I was vaguely confused and wanted to have option to be like "wait, what exactly have you heard?". Maybe on my next pt I'll take him and see how it feels to have him there. I vaguely want to do his romance with the Mage path, but I really dislike the whole Samson storyline (except for the extra Cullen stuff of course). I'm not sure I can make it through that again ><
Really? I didn't even know that could happen! I thought it was a set progression of: talking to Halward, Giselle, amulet, quarters.
And conversely I haven't done a full templar run yet. For me, the Dorian future time is too good to pass up for his romance, and the Samson stuff is too good to pass up for the Cullen romance. Damn mages.
With Dorian specifically I like how you can establish the connection early on because the two of you are the only ones who actually went there and saw this horrible future. Although I do think that the intro for Cole plays out better for the templars mainly because of how unique he is and it's better to experience that on a personal level. Other than during the templar mission we are never "read" by Cole as others are, so I feel that as a loss.
Yea full sequence was talking to Halward (I did the option to kiss Dorian at the end of that), Winter Palace, Amulet stuff, Giselle, quarters. I didn't know it could playout in that order either, but it did. I like it in some ways, but like I said it was slightly confusing in others.
The intros with Dorian and Cole both playout better on the Templar path imo. With the mages Dorian just strides into the war room and no one bats an eye. Like if you took Cass there she would know who he was but there is no good reason for Cullen and Leliana to have zero reaction to this person regardless if one of the agents followed him in. It's just weird. And then Cole (whom you've never met before) just shows up outside your gate as you are about to be attacked. Why would anyone listen/trust him? It's just bizarre
Conversely if you go with the Templar path the Inquisitor meets Cole there and has this whole thing where he helps and gets to know the Inquisitor. Then when he randomly appears in the war room everyone reacts naturally (Cass and Cullen even pull swords on him) and the Inquisitor can talk them down because of the previous experience. Then when Dorian shows up outside the gates when you are being attacked it makes sense the Inquisitor listens to him and lets him in because they've already met and stuff.
I really like the whole time travel thing and everything that happens there on the mageside... but once you get past that part it all goes weird to me and is less satisfying Of course I also rather have Ser Barris than Fiona, but that's a whole other thing Makes me sad because it means less Dorian and Cullen time, but there's just so many issues with the mage path for me
And conversely I haven't done a full templar run yet. For me, the Dorian future time is too good to pass up for his romance, and the Samson stuff is too good to pass up for the Cullen romance. Damn mages.
With Dorian specifically I like how you can establish the connection early on because the two of you are the only ones who actually went there and saw this horrible future.
I was lucky i did templars in my 1st playthrough with female, when i had no idea what mage path was about, (only bad thing is i missed the extra Cullen scenes for romance...), or it would be hard for me to do it now that mage path is my favourite.... That prison break with Dorian telling the IQ "don't worry, i will protect you" is too good to miss, and basically every extra scene he gets with the mage path. It reminded me a bit of DA:O prison break, when my fem warden woke up in a cell with Alistair, both naked, it was kind of funny moment. I wish this happened with Dorian too, it would have been an.... interesting way of introducing romance lol. So yea, after doing the mage path with male, and seeing all the extra scenes of Dorian, i don't feel like doing the templar path again...
On my 4th playthrough and still hearing new stuff. Has anyone ever heard Dorian comment during Josephine's personal quest? I'm wondering if it's romance-specific dialogue or not.
When you confront the assassin and decide to kill him instead of letting him walk away, after the fight I got this exchange:
Dorian: That's the last time I wait outside a door when you've involved, are you two alright? (I assume he means when Josie's involved?)
Josephine: We're fine, thank you Lord Pavus
I've done that part the EXACT same way before and never heard him comment. (Never had anyone comment during it.) I usually do it pretty early on though, wondering if I got it this time because it was much later in the game and his romance was locked in. It just sounds like romancey dialogue from the way he sounded worried.
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